2025 Offseason Thread Vol.5

[Beenie]

There is nothing likely about it. Beal is currently under contract for 53 million dollars. What about how Bradley Beal has handled the last two years suggests after the 25-26 season he'll be giving anyone a discount? If he plays well on his cheap flyer deal he's gonna be looking for a James Harden type deal that the Clippers just gave if you're lucky. AAV of 40.5 million a year at minimum. Once again no team is giving you anything of value for an older one way player who isn't durable who is also due for a new contract. You're not flipping him for anything of substance. And if you're trading Herro, Beal has all the leverage. You think he is gonna see that you traded your starting two guard and go easy on you in negotiations?

Some of you are so desperate to get Herro off the team you're concocting scenarios where Bradley Beal of all people is gonna play, play well, be available and do all that on the cheap. Good luck.

Nobody is gonna pay Beal that at this stage of his career especially under the new cap rules.

That should be common reasoning

This sounds like a desperate attempt to defend paying Herro actually

The Clippers just gave soon to be 36 year old Harden who disappeared in another game 7 over 40 million per year. Why? Because they had no other choice. And you're working up a scenario where the Heat would be in the same predicament.

So you're saying no one would be willing to pay Beal. So why would anyone be willing to give up assets for a player who isn't valued who is heading into FA? Your other scenario is trading Herro. So you've traded Herro without a starting caliber two guard on the roster besides Beal? So what do you think Beal is gonna do but leverage the Heat. And lets say the Heat hold firm and Beal goes elsewhere. Now what? You don't have a two-guard. And you're playing the hope and pray game of maybe a superstar wants to join a team devoid of talent. That doesn't take into account having to beat out all the other teams with assets that may be better than yours.

This has less to do with Herro and more to do with basing any plan on Bradley Beal. The Wizards and Suns should be lesson enough.

What makes you think Harden's contract is the standard bearer for what Beal is likely to get?

Makes no sense to even evoke Harden's name in this convo quite frankly

Total red herring

That said, despite all of Harden's shortcomings in the post season, his value around the league remains considerably higher than Beal's

This should be common sense

Regarding why someone would trade for Beal at the deadline, the same reason why contenders make trades at the deadline every season which is bolster their roster for a run at the chip.

BTW, im not implying that someone would trade a trove of assets for him, but considering that Mia, IMO, should be in the business of collecting assets, whatever they could fetch for him would be a successful return on investment.

[fincane30]

Nobody is gonna pay Beal that at this stage of his career especially under the new cap rules.

That should be common reasoning

This sounds like a desperate attempt to defend paying Herro actually

The Clippers just gave soon to be 36 year old Harden who disappeared in another game 7 over 40 million per year. Why? Because they had no other choice. And you're working up a scenario where the Heat would be in the same predicament.

So you're saying no one would be willing to pay Beal. So why would anyone be willing to give up assets for a player who isn't valued who is heading into FA? Your other scenario is trading Herro. So you've traded Herro without a starting caliber two guard on the roster besides Beal? So what do you think Beal is gonna do but leverage the Heat. And lets say the Heat hold firm and Beal goes elsewhere. Now what? You don't have a two-guard. And you're playing the hope and pray game of maybe a superstar wants to join a team devoid of talent. That doesn't take into account having to beat out all the other teams with assets that may be better than yours.

This has less to do with Herro and more to do with basing any plan on Bradley Beal. The Wizards and Suns should be lesson enough.

What makes you think Harden's contract is the standard bearer for what Beal is likely to get?

Makes no sense to even evoke Harden's name in this convo quite frankly

Total red herring

That said, despite all of Harden's shortcomings in the post season, his value around the league remains considerably higher than Beal's

This should be common sense

Regarding why someone would trade for Beal at the deadline, the same reason why contenders make trades at the deadline every season which is bolster their roster for a run at the chip.

BTW, im not implying that someone would trade a trove of assets for him, but considering that Mia, IMO, should be in the business of collecting assets, whatever they could fetch for him would be a successful return on investment.

Have you canvassed the league to know what Harden's value is? There has not been an overwhelming number of teams looking to pay that guy what he commands. Very few fall in that category. Some combo of Daryl Morey and desperation has led to his last couple of contracts. And in your keep Beal scenario the Heat would be in a Clippers-like situation. Beal doesn't have to be valuable across the league. He just needs one or two teams and now the Heat have a problem.

And if Bradley Beal plays well in your scenario he'll have at least one suitor willing to pay him something you're not gonna want to pay him. The no trade clause will be gone which will make him an exponentially more valued asset than he is now for the team who does decide to ignore all the red flags. It won't be one of the smart ones. Which is another the reason the Heat should not have a grand plan that has Beal as a focal point.

What contenders trade for Beal's skillset at the deadline? Contenders don't trade for guys who must have the ball in their hands with relatively high usage to be valuable. Teams with cap space do. Teams who want a pick to do you that favor of taking on your usually expensive player you don't want anymore. If they're actual contenders they already have those guys and are looking for two way wings, centers and bench guys(probably a backup point guard). And you're also allowing Beal to build value at the expense of the development of the young guards and wings on the roster. So your investment will have a cost. It will come at the cost of players who because of age and lack of injury history could be more appealing to another team in any trade you want to make.

[batterybro42]

This Miami team as constructed isn’t a tank team it’s a 50 win team being serious about it. A lot of young guys who won’t have to be load managed, you get a ton of continuity that way with one of the best coaches in the game, and you compete every night.

Might not be anything more than a 1st or 2nd round team, but this group won’t be in the lottery unless they just get decimated by injury.

I think the roster is a lot better than people want to give it credit for because it’s not a title contender realistically, but this is far from a trash team.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

This Miami team as constructed isn’t a tank team it’s a 50 win team being serious about it. A lot of young guys who won’t have to be load managed, you get a ton of continuity that way with one of the best coaches in the game, and you compete every night.

Might not be anything more than a 1st or 2nd round team, but this group won’t be in the lottery unless they just get decimated by injury.

I think the roster is a lot better than people want to give it credit for because it’s not a title contender realistically, but this is far from a trash team.

Probably. I really don’t think there’s any Herro “fanboys” on this board, nearly every poster agrees he won’t be worth a max extension and most are content with the idea of moving on from him in the right scenario, but there’s a group that is convinced he’s never going to be good or even starter worthy and if your second best player (best offensive) is hated by their own fanbase, they’re probably going to underrate their teams’ ceiling as well.

Personally I don’t get it, everyone was garbage in the playoffs but Tyler outperformed just about every expectation last season. Doesn’t mean max him but it should earn you at least a little good will from the fanbase. Both he and Bam are treated a little too disposable simply for not being clear franchise cornerstones.

[BBallFreak]

I think 50 games is insanely generous. To me, we cap out at .500 and even then things have to break in our way a lot.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Good for Whitmore smh.

[SerialChiller]

This Miami team as constructed isn’t a tank team it’s a 50 win team being serious about it. A lot of young guys who won’t have to be load managed, you get a ton of continuity that way with one of the best coaches in the game, and you compete every night.

Might not be anything more than a 1st or 2nd round team, but this group won’t be in the lottery unless they just get decimated by injury.

I think the roster is a lot better than people want to give it credit for because it’s not a title contender realistically, but this is far from a trash team.

This is not a 50 win team...

[Daffy]

Whitmore just went for 2 second round picks to Washington. Wow v

[batterybro42]

I think 50 games is insanely generous. To me, we cap out at .500 and even then things have to break in our way a lot.

This team collapsed in a ton of games last year and won 37. Would be impressive to duplicate how bad we were at that and how many games we lost in the final minute. Also had the Jimmy deal looming the entire year.

I’d expect growth from the young guys

[batterybro42]

This Miami team as constructed isn’t a tank team it’s a 50 win team being serious about it. A lot of young guys who won’t have to be load managed, you get a ton of continuity that way with one of the best coaches in the game, and you compete every night.

Might not be anything more than a 1st or 2nd round team, but this group won’t be in the lottery unless they just get decimated by injury.

I think the roster is a lot better than people want to give it credit for because it’s not a title contender realistically, but this is far from a trash team.

Probably. I really don’t think there’s any Herro “fanboys” on this board, nearly every poster agrees he won’t be worth a max extension and most are content with the idea of moving on from him in the right scenario, but there’s a group that is convinced he’s never going to be good or even starter worthy and if your second best player (best offensive) is hated by their own fanbase, they’re probably going to underrate their teams’ ceiling as well.

Personally I don’t get it, everyone was garbage in the playoffs but Tyler outperformed just about every expectation last season. Doesn’t mean max him but it should earn you at least a little good will from the fanbase. Both he and Bam are treated a little too disposable simply for not being clear franchise cornerstones.

Herro I bet ends up making an all NBA team and becomes super max eligible

He’s going to be the clear cut 1 now with an offseason and training camp built around that idea

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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The truth hurts Barry. That said, Free Bam

[Beenie]

The Clippers just gave soon to be 36 year old Harden who disappeared in another game 7 over 40 million per year. Why? Because they had no other choice. And you're working up a scenario where the Heat would be in the same predicament.

So you're saying no one would be willing to pay Beal. So why would anyone be willing to give up assets for a player who isn't valued who is heading into FA? Your other scenario is trading Herro. So you've traded Herro without a starting caliber two guard on the roster besides Beal? So what do you think Beal is gonna do but leverage the Heat. And lets say the Heat hold firm and Beal goes elsewhere. Now what? You don't have a two-guard. And you're playing the hope and pray game of maybe a superstar wants to join a team devoid of talent. That doesn't take into account having to beat out all the other teams with assets that may be better than yours.

This has less to do with Herro and more to do with basing any plan on Bradley Beal. The Wizards and Suns should be lesson enough.

What makes you think Harden's contract is the standard bearer for what Beal is likely to get?

Makes no sense to even evoke Harden's name in this convo quite frankly

Total red herring

That said, despite all of Harden's shortcomings in the post season, his value around the league remains considerably higher than Beal's

This should be common sense

Regarding why someone would trade for Beal at the deadline, the same reason why contenders make trades at the deadline every season which is bolster their roster for a run at the chip.

BTW, im not implying that someone would trade a trove of assets for him, but considering that Mia, IMO, should be in the business of collecting assets, whatever they could fetch for him would be a successful return on investment.

Have you canvassed the league to know what Harden's value is? There has not been an overwhelming number of teams looking to pay that guy what he commands. Very few fall in that category. Some combo of Daryl Morey and desperation has led to his last couple of contracts. And in your keep Beal scenario the Heat would be in a Clippers-like situation. Beal doesn't have to be valuable across the league. He just needs one or two teams and now the Heat have a problem.

And if Bradley Beal plays well in your scenario he'll have at least one suitor willing to pay him something you're not gonna want to pay him. The no trade clause will be gone which will make him an exponentially more valued asset than he is now for the team who does decide to ignore all the red flags. It won't be one of the smart ones. Which is another the reason the Heat should not have a grand plan that has Beal as a focal point.

What contenders trade for Beal's skillset at the deadline? Contenders don't trade for guys who must have the ball in their hands with relatively high usage to be valuable. Teams with cap space do. Teams who want a pick to do you that favor of taking on your usually expensive player you don't want anymore. If they're actual contenders they already have those guys and are looking for two way wings, centers and bench guys(probably a backup point guard). And you're also allowing Beal to build value at the expense of the development of the young guards and wings on the roster. So your investment will have a cost. It will come at the cost of players who because of age and lack of injury history could be more appealing to another team in any trade you want to make.

You're making the argument for me as to why Beal isn't likely to get a big contract again.

Regarding the notion that teams dont trade for high usage players at the deadline, Warriors just traded for Jimmy, a bunch of teams just tried to get KD, and couple years ago Mia traded for Rozier, etc etc etc.

You're also not considering the injury scenario of a contending team who might lose a scorer during the season and wanting to find a replacement rental.

In the keep Beal scenario, which BTW is more of a fall back option, hence why I made that point after making the 'flip him at the deadline argument', we fundamentally disagree on what he would cost contract wise in that scenario. What we hopefully could agree on though is whatever the number, it would be significantly less than what Herro's gonna cost.

[Beenie]

Gonna keep an eye on Whitmore this season.

If he takes a leap, it'll be more oil to cook Mia's front office with

[HeatIn5]

I don’t think we trade Bam, but the following offer would be hard to pass up

Bam
Anderson

For

Castle
Johnson
Barnes
2027 Atlanta pick
2029 spurs pick
2031 kings or spurs pick
3-5 2nd round picks

[Beenie]

This Miami team as constructed isn’t a tank team it’s a 50 win team being serious about it. A lot of young guys who won’t have to be load managed, you get a ton of continuity that way with one of the best coaches in the game, and you compete every night.

Might not be anything more than a 1st or 2nd round team, but this group won’t be in the lottery unless they just get decimated by injury.

I think the roster is a lot better than people want to give it credit for because it’s not a title contender realistically, but this is far from a trash team.

35 wins with this roster would be an accomplishment.

50 wins is delusional

[EMC5466]

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[Beenie]

This Miami team as constructed isn’t a tank team it’s a 50 win team being serious about it. A lot of young guys who won’t have to be load managed, you get a ton of continuity that way with one of the best coaches in the game, and you compete every night.

Might not be anything more than a 1st or 2nd round team, but this group won’t be in the lottery unless they just get decimated by injury.

I think the roster is a lot better than people want to give it credit for because it’s not a title contender realistically, but this is far from a trash team.

Probably. I really don’t think there’s any Herro “fanboys” on this board, nearly every poster agrees he won’t be worth a max extension and most are content with the idea of moving on from him in the right scenario, but there’s a group that is convinced he’s never going to be good or even starter worthy and if your second best player (best offensive) is hated by their own fanbase, they’re probably going to underrate their teams’ ceiling as well.

Personally I don’t get it, everyone was garbage in the playoffs but Tyler outperformed just about every expectation last season. Doesn’t mean max him but it should earn you at least a little good will from the fanbase. Both he and Bam are treated a little too disposable simply for not being clear franchise cornerstones.

Herro I bet ends up making an all NBA team and becomes super max eligible

He’s going to be the clear cut 1 now with an offseason and training camp built around that idea

Will be the focal point of defenses which is a role he's not fitted for.

Cant deal with doubles, and has a weak handle against aggressive POA defenders.

Turnovers will be sky high for him, and for the team, btw.

[Vertical Limit]

This Miami team as constructed isn’t a tank team it’s a 50 win team being serious about it. A lot of young guys who won’t have to be load managed, you get a ton of continuity that way with one of the best coaches in the game, and you compete every night.

Might not be anything more than a 1st or 2nd round team, but this group won’t be in the lottery unless they just get decimated by injury.

I think the roster is a lot better than people want to give it credit for because it’s not a title contender realistically, but this is far from a trash team.

35 wins with this roster would be an accomplishment.

50 wins is delusional

He has to be trolling. I spat my drink laughing when he said ty jeromes son is going to be all nba and supermax eligible..

[3ammy3uck3ts]

This Miami team as constructed isn’t a tank team it’s a 50 win team being serious about it. A lot of young guys who won’t have to be load managed, you get a ton of continuity that way with one of the best coaches in the game, and you compete every night.

Might not be anything more than a 1st or 2nd round team, but this group won’t be in the lottery unless they just get decimated by injury.

I think the roster is a lot better than people want to give it credit for because it’s not a title contender realistically, but this is far from a trash team.

35 wins with this roster would be an accomplishment.

50 wins is delusional

He has to be trolling. I spat my drink laughing when he said ty jeromes son is going to be all nba and supermax eligible..

Got the fanbase in a chokehold for no reason lol

[lastb1ckman]

Whitmore just went for 2 second round picks to Washington. Wow v

Cam Whitmore probably isnt good! Idk why Heat fans are so obsessed with him. Hes got tunnel vision baaaaaad. Like Shabazz Muhammad bad