Report: Quentin Grimes asking for 25million AAV

[M2J]

For what he brings that's not even an unreasonable ask. He's a legit two way player, a lot of defensive players get called two way players even though they're really not because they stink on offense but Grimes killed it on offense for the Sixers after getting traded there

But did he play defense during this time? I did not watch the games, but there are very few players in this league at the wing who do both at the same time. It's a stammina thing.

No he didn't.

Fact of the matter is I don't really care about his numbers during that tanking stretch. A good 25 million dollar player is a great shooter off the catch that can defend very positively multiple positions and attack closeouts and make the right play as a passer or finisher... Even if that's 14-16ppg.

However, he didn't necessarily prove that he could be that in the few games he did play with the Sixers stars. So he's not getting 25 million... He should take the QO of he's not satisfied and prove he can help a team not get stats

[HotelVitale]

For what he brings that's not even an unreasonable ask. He's a legit two way player, a lot of defensive players get called two way players even though they're really not because they stink on offense but Grimes killed it on offense for the Sixers after getting traded there

But did he play defense during this time? I did not watch the games, but there are very few players in this league at the wing who do both at the same time. It's a stammina thing.

No he didn't.

Fact of the matter is I don't really care about his numbers during that tanking stretch. A good 25 million dollar player is a great shooter off the catch that can defend very positively multiple positions and attack closeouts and make the right play as a passer or finisher... Even if that's 14-16ppg.

That sounds kind of like OG, who got a max. You’ve also got guys like Quickley, Vassell, RJ Barrett, Miles Bridges, A Simons etc who all got more than $25m.

There’s no real set standard for contracts, the dance around what’s ‘fair’ for a RFA guy is always going to be like this. Team can bring up comparable guys who made less than what the agent is asking for, agent can bring up the opposite.

In this case I think $25m is the pretty unreasonable upper limit, though, and the real argument is probably about where between like 14-20 Grimes will land.

[M2J]

But did he play defense during this time? I did not watch the games, but there are very few players in this league at the wing who do both at the same time. It's a stammina thing.

No he didn't.

Fact of the matter is I don't really care about his numbers during that tanking stretch. A good 25 million dollar player is a great shooter off the catch that can defend very positively multiple positions and attack closeouts and make the right play as a passer or finisher... Even if that's 14-16ppg.

That sounds kind of like OG, who got a max. You’ve also got guys like Quickley, Vassell, RJ Barrett, Miles Bridges, A Simons etc who all got more than $25m.

There’s no real set standard for contracts, the dance around what’s ‘fair’ for a RFA guy is always going to be like this. Team can bring up comparable guys who made less than what the agent is asking for, agent can bring up the opposite.

In this case I think $25m is the pretty unreasonable upper limit, though, and the real argument is probably about where between like 14-20 Grimes will land.

I had OG in mind typing that.. but I know for a fact he's not the defender OG is.... Doesn't have the size versatility OG has and hasn't won at the level OG has. Probably most importantly he hasn't done it on any level for an extended amount of time. Where those other players you mentioned had... Emmanuel quickly was a second runner-up for six man for a playoff team. RJ second or third best player for playoff team for multiple years. Vassell and Simon put up those numbers for multiple years. Taking that all into account... If he wants to bet on himself he should take the QO, because he's not proven

[WiggOuts]

Dude barely had a little hot streak and he's tryna cash out huge lmao, considering he wasn't anything special for the other 90-95% of his career this is wild

[doogie_hauser]

I feel like Charlotte would be silly enough to pay Grimes what he is asking for (well in previous seasons they would)

I wish there could be a way for teams like Philly to offer players like Grimes a performance based contract, say a base of 15-17 million per year but gets a 2 or 3 million dollar bonus per season if he fulfills a couple of key performance indicators (say play over 75 games, averages over 15 PPG etc)

There needs to be some flexibility from both sides (clubs and players) when it comes to thrashing out new contracts/deals.

[M2J]

I feel like Charlotte would be silly enough to pay Grimes what he is asking for (well in previous seasons they would)

I wish there could be a way for teams like Philly to offer players like Grimes a performance based contract, say a base of 15-17 million per year but gets a 2 or 3 million dollar bonus per season if he fulfills a couple of key performance indicators (say play over 75 games, averages over 15 PPG etc)

There needs to be some flexibility from both sides (clubs and players) when it comes to thrashing out new contracts/deals.

They can do that. There are actually a decent amount of incentive based deals in the league like 3pt performance or playoffs, and games played.. not enough though

[Sixers in 4]

I don't know if you can do contracts like that or how they are counted against the cap. I do know other teams have basically only have the exception left and 14m is an easy match for the Sixers. I think at this point it's pretty clear he is either coming back on the QO or on a contract extension with the Sixers.

[M2J]

I don't know if you can do contracts like that or how they are counted against the cap. I do know other teams have basically only have the exception left and 14m is an easy match for the Sixers. I think at this point it's pretty clear he is either coming back on the QO or on a contract extension with the Sixers.

Cap amount for a team is only locked in at the end of the year in terms of actually paying the tax. You can move in and out aprons during a year with trades, etc. But tons of players have incentive based deals. Derrick White earned a $500,000 bonus for hitting a certain amount of 3s a couple of years ago. Anthony Davis has incentives based on playoff results. Others this last year: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/dillon-brooks-headlines-list-of-players-with-money-on-the-line/ar-AA1C1LMM#:~:text=Word%20On%20Sports-,Fifty%2Dthree%20NBA%20players%20had%20contract%20incentives%20entering%20the,significant%20financial%20rewards%20at%20stake.

I think I heard Zion has the most incentive based contract ever

[Sixers in 4]

I don't know if you can do contracts like that or how they are counted against the cap. I do know other teams have basically only have the exception left and 14m is an easy match for the Sixers. I think at this point it's pretty clear he is either coming back on the QO or on a contract extension with the Sixers.

Cap amount for a team is only locked in at the end of the year in terms of actually paying the tax. You can move in and out aprons during a year with trades, etc. But tons of players have incentive based deals. Derrick White earned a $500,000 bonus for hitting a certain amount of 3s a couple of years ago. Anthony Davis has incentives based on playoff results. Others this last year: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/dillon-brooks-headlines-list-of-players-with-money-on-the-line/ar-AA1C1LMM#:~:text=Word%20On%20Sports-,Fifty%2Dthree%20NBA%20players%20had%20contract%20incentives%20entering%20the,significant%20financial%20rewards%20at%20stake.

I think I heard Zion has the most incentive based contract ever

You are missing what I am saying I am not sure how these contracts work or are calculated against the cap. If I were to guess it would probably be the full amount no team has more than 14M they can offer right now. If some team wants to do 12M + 2M incentives the sixers match anyways just like if they did 14M they'd match.

Someone correct me if I am wrong.

[Scalabrine]

Why dont the Warriors and Sixers just trade Kuminga for Grimes? They both fit on those teams so much better.

Sixers
Embiid/Drummond/Bona
Kuminga/Oubre/Watford
George/Oubre
McCain/Edgecomb
Maxey/Gordon/Edwards

Warriors
Green/Post
Butler/Jackson Davis
Hield/Santos
Grimes/Moody
Curry/Podz

[M2J]

I don't know if you can do contracts like that or how they are counted against the cap. I do know other teams have basically only have the exception left and 14m is an easy match for the Sixers. I think at this point it's pretty clear he is either coming back on the QO or on a contract extension with the Sixers.

Cap amount for a team is only locked in at the end of the year in terms of actually paying the tax. You can move in and out aprons during a year with trades, etc. But tons of players have incentive based deals. Derrick White earned a $500,000 bonus for hitting a certain amount of 3s a couple of years ago. Anthony Davis has incentives based on playoff results. Others this last year: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/dillon-brooks-headlines-list-of-players-with-money-on-the-line/ar-AA1C1LMM#:~:text=Word%20On%20Sports-,Fifty%2Dthree%20NBA%20players%20had%20contract%20incentives%20entering%20the,significant%20financial%20rewards%20at%20stake.

I think I heard Zion has the most incentive based contract ever

You are missing what I am saying I am not sure how these contracts work or are calculated against the cap. If I were to guess it would probably be the full amount no team has more than 14M they can offer right now. If some team wants to do 12M + 2M incentives the sixers match anyways just like if they did 14M they'd match.

Someone correct me if I am wrong.

The base is what's counted against the cap until the incentive is earned.... For trade incentives might stay there or become a trade kicker bonus if a trade is to occur. Anthony Davis for example had the playoff incentives in his contract. He had a big trade kicker that he waived in order to facilitate the Dallas trade... But I'm not sure if those incentives are still in the contract. But they traded the base contract amount

[Sixers in 4]

Cap amount for a team is only locked in at the end of the year in terms of actually paying the tax. You can move in and out aprons during a year with trades, etc. But tons of players have incentive based deals. Derrick White earned a $500,000 bonus for hitting a certain amount of 3s a couple of years ago. Anthony Davis has incentives based on playoff results. Others this last year: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/dillon-brooks-headlines-list-of-players-with-money-on-the-line/ar-AA1C1LMM#:~:text=Word%20On%20Sports-,Fifty%2Dthree%20NBA%20players%20had%20contract%20incentives%20entering%20the,significant%20financial%20rewards%20at%20stake.

I think I heard Zion has the most incentive based contract ever

You are missing what I am saying I am not sure how these contracts work or are calculated against the cap. If I were to guess it would probably be the full amount no team has more than 14M they can offer right now. If some team wants to do 12M + 2M incentives the sixers match anyways just like if they did 14M they'd match.

Someone correct me if I am wrong.

The base is what's counted against the cap until the incentive is earned.... For trade incentives might stay there or become a trade kicker bonus if a trade is to occur. Anthony Davis for example had the playoff incentives in his contract. He had a big trade kicker that he waived in order to facilitate the Dallas trade... But I'm not sure if those incentives are still in the contract. But they traded the base contract amount

So you could bypass the cap by giving as example 14M exception contract to Grimes and 6M easy to obtain incentives I find it hard to believe the NBA would allow such obvious cap circumvention but am too lazy to confirm so I'll take your word on it.

[M2J]

You are missing what I am saying I am not sure how these contracts work or are calculated against the cap. If I were to guess it would probably be the full amount no team has more than 14M they can offer right now. If some team wants to do 12M + 2M incentives the sixers match anyways just like if they did 14M they'd match.

Someone correct me if I am wrong.

The base is what's counted against the cap until the incentive is earned.... For trade incentives might stay there or become a trade kicker bonus if a trade is to occur. Anthony Davis for example had the playoff incentives in his contract. He had a big trade kicker that he waived in order to facilitate the Dallas trade... But I'm not sure if those incentives are still in the contract. But they traded the base contract amount

So you could bypass the cap by giving as example 14M exception contract to Grimes and 6M easy to obtain incentives I find it hard to believe the NBA would allow such obvious cap circumvention but am too lazy to confirm so I'll take your word on it.

These are typically contracts given to players with bird rights so it's not full blown circumventing to get them on the roster type stuff, and If they earn the money it will count against the cap as soon as they earn it.

So since the Sixers have Grimes bird rights, it wouldn't be at all out of the ordinary for them to give him an incentive deal. I would say one that makes sense is perhaps making the playoffs or 3-point makes in a season or something. If they give him a 13 million deal to try to stay under the tax, but he ends up earning it and that pushes them over the apron... Then they're over the apron

[magee]

If I'm* Portland, I kick the tires on Grimes at that value, pending the Sixers are willing to take Jerami Grant off their hands. 3/75 with a team option for the third year. It forces Shaedon Sharpe's hand and he's either the next guard for them, and find a taker for Grines to see if that contract year was an aberration, or they have Grimes for two years and deal Sharpe for draft capital to continue to build through the draft.

Philly gets a solid defender on a decent deal who adds enough versatility to their lineup and they can bring back Eric Gordon if need to. Portland rids themselves of Grant and takes a chance on a defensive-minded SG who has shown what he can do with the ball if the opportunity presents itself. Having his role condensed down metrically would bode well this Blazers squad.

[Sixers in 4]

If I'm* Portland, I kick the tires on Grimes at that value, pending the Sixers are willing to take Jerami Grant off their hands. 3/75 with a team option for the third year. It forces Shaedon Sharpe's hand and he's either the next guard for them, and find a taker for Grines to see if that contract year was an aberration, or they have Grimes for two years and deal Sharpe for draft capital to continue to build through the draft.

Philly gets a solid defender on a decent deal who adds enough versatility to their lineup and they can bring back Eric Gordon if need to. Portland rids themselves of Grant and takes a chance on a defensive-minded SG who has shown what he can do with the ball if the opportunity presents itself. Having his role condensed down metrically would bode well this Blazers squad.

No one is willing to take Grants contract. It's so bad I legit wouldn't trade PG straight up for him

[Mr B]

If I'm* Portland, I kick the tires on Grimes at that value, pending the Sixers are willing to take Jerami Grant off their hands. 3/75 with a team option for the third year. It forces Shaedon Sharpe's hand and he's either the next guard for them, and find a taker for Grines to see if that contract year was an aberration, or they have Grimes for two years and deal Sharpe for draft capital to continue to build through the draft.

Philly gets a solid defender on a decent deal who adds enough versatility to their lineup and they can bring back Eric Gordon if need to. Portland rids themselves of Grant and takes a chance on a defensive-minded SG who has shown what he can do with the ball if the opportunity presents itself. Having his role condensed down metrically would bode well this Blazers squad.

$25M per season is a value for Grimes?

[magee]

If I'm* Portland, I kick the tires on Grimes at that value, pending the Sixers are willing to take Jerami Grant off their hands. 3/75 with a team option for the third year. It forces Shaedon Sharpe's hand and he's either the next guard for them, and find a taker for Grines to see if that contract year was an aberration, or they have Grimes for two years and deal Sharpe for draft capital to continue to build through the draft.

Philly gets a solid defender on a decent deal who adds enough versatility to their lineup and they can bring back Eric Gordon if need to. Portland rids themselves of Grant and takes a chance on a defensive-minded SG who has shown what he can do with the ball if the opportunity presents itself. Having his role condensed down metrically would bode well this Blazers squad.

$25M per season is a value for Grimes?

Depends on his role. Personally, I might not feel his value is that high, but on a smaller deal year-wise, and with a rising cap, if he can show that his play wasn't a fluke last season, while being able to put up similar numbers metrically per possession, even if his usage rate goes down, I'd say he's worth that price for a team where he fits in with role and style of play.

I've* seen more promise defensively out of him compared to Sharpe. Sharpe is younger, but would you want to lock up Sharpe for anything higher than 30+ if he doesn't improve on the defensive end this season?

*Edit for spelling.
**Double edit. Didn't know I added an emoji somehow. Whoops! Haha.

[Astaluego]

A double ST for the Grizzlies for Aldama would have been great for both teams. The Grizzlies got a replacement for Bane, the 76ers were a better fit.

Ja/Grimes/Wells/JJJ/Edey

Maxey/Edgecombe/PG/Aldama/Embiid

[xdrta+]

The base is what's counted against the cap until the incentive is earned....

Not exactly. Base salary plus likely to be earned incentives are part of the cap. Unlikely incentives are not part of the cap but do count against the Aprons.

[JimmyPlopper]

A double ST for the Grizzlies for Aldama would have been great for both teams. The Grizzlies got a replacement for Bane, the 76ers were a better fit.

Ja/Grimes/Wells/JJJ/Edey

Maxey/Edgecombe/PG/Aldama/Embiid

Very interesting