Off season, free agency, coaching change.

[Clemenza]

I’m tired man. So tired.

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Beal & Norm are the same player. Would have to move Norm asap.

[Ballings7]

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Still on the J-Coll' train : )

Though probably around the back half of the car link.. but still, I'm on it.

Would force Lue to play big, since he couldn't go small as often to force a more paced line-up on the floor.

I’m tired man. So tired.

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Beal & Norm are the same player. Would have to move Norm asap.

Right. I don't get why the team is poking around on these guards that are redundant, or just lateral for improvement.

If it means Norm' getting moved in order to bring a decent PF, eh okay.. -- but that probably wouldn't happen.

[Clipp312s]

I think I see the vision. Wait for the Beal buyout. Get him for the minimum, trade powell and fillers (if needed) for a real PF on the trading block (Collins, Kuminga, Jeremi Grant, etc). Then pick up CP3 or Brogdon.

Ill call that a successful offseason. Heathy Kawhi to start the season, could put us in the top 4 position. We nearly got there w Kawhi missing the first 34 games!

Let’s make it happen.

[Roscoe Sheed]

I think I see the vision. Wait for the Beal buyout. Get him for the minimum, trade powell and fillers (if needed) for a real PF on the trading block (Collins, Kuminga, Jeremi Grant, etc). Then pick up CP3 or Brogdon.

Ill call that a successful offseason. Heathy Kawhi to start the season, could put us in the top 4 position. We nearly got there w Kawhi missing the first 34 games!

Let’s make it happen.

I like the plan except that Beal could probably sign for more with Miami or Milwaukee

[Captain Ballmer]

I prefer norm over beal tbh. Norm is more agile without ball, makes our offense nore dynamic which is kinda desperately slow. Beal has tendency to kill ball movement.

Big no to brogdon. Lets add some athletic youth.

[TrueLAfan]

What we're looking for is a #4/#5 guard that can run an offense. In terms of skills, I get the love for Brogdon and Paul. But ... on the court, Paul should *not* be starting or (more importantly) trying to call the shots on a veteran team that won 50 games last year. Five years ago, yeah. Three years ago, maybe. But his "desire" to start tells me he's little clueless about both us and himself. Brogdon is even more of a question mark because he misses so many games. I'd rather offer Jared Butler a two year deal and hope he can keep improving. He's already shown he can contribute at the level we want, and he may have a higher floor still to come. And he's not 40 years old.

[TrueLAfan]

So I will talk again about the two guys I've mentioned / targeted most for the past year plus.

Trey Lyles. He's more of a 4 than a 5, but is really a tweener. He's like like a markedly less offensively minded, but slightly better defensive Bobby Portis. Since both Zu and Lopez score, his (slightly) below average scoring wouldn't hurt us as much as his 34% three point shooting and the spacing would help. He was hurt at the begging of last year (and in February), but still played almost 70 games. And after staying of the effects of the injury in October and November, he averaged 7-5-1.3 in his last 51 have on .440 / .343 shooting. He's better suited to be a backup 4/5, but he's solid minutes eater whose game has only small flaws (and grew strengths, tbh). But ... c'mon. Couldn't we use a decent defensive big that can spread the court and give us 20 minutes and 7 and 5 a game and play 65-70 games?

But my dream off-season, smallish moves at this point doesn't involve Lyles. It looks like this:

Sign Jared Butler to a 3 year/$13.5 contract with a player option on the third year. He's a combo guard that would be a good #4/#5 guard in the rotation. Still young. Plays hard. Has improved every year.

Trade Kobe Brown and Jordan Miller and the two Atlanta second picks for Saadiq Bey. Miller and Brown have (mostly) non-guaranteed contracts. The Pels are closer to the aprons than we are ... they've got 4 million more in salaries than we do. If they want, the Pels can cut them and save $4-5 million. Or they can keep them as low rotation minute eaters that they try to develop. The two second round picks have good value--all in all, it's a good offer. Especially since I can't see where Bey gets minutes. He's a combo forward. I don't pretend to know what the hell the Pelicans are doing. Confusing. But I *do* know they're set at SF with Trey Murphy and Herb Jones (and, really, Keion Brooks as a developmental guy). Queen and Looney means Missi will play (a lot) more at the 4 with Zion, and Karlo Matkovic is young and played well. You're not going to cut the minutes of Missi or Zion or Murphy or Jones. Bottom line -- no real room for Bey. The potential money savings and second runs picks might be enough to pry Bey away.

So we'd end up with:

Zu
Kawhi
Norm
Harden
Dunn
Bey

...as our biggest minute players. Rotation spots 7-11 would be

DJJ
Lopez
Bogie
Butler
Batum

... and Yanic and Christie at #12 and #13. I'd go to war with that lineup and rotation.

[Ballings7]

All for Lyles or Bey moves

JButler not too familiar with but sounds like a good fit at guard for what the team needs.

I imagine there'll be a move or two coming after summer league starts to wrap up.

[Captain Ballmer]

Another name i would suggest is Justin Champaigne from wizards. They drafted tons of wings int the draft with tre johnson and will riley. They also have bilal and keyshaun george. Add middleton and kispert too. They also have Sarr to play 4 as well. Too many guys on the 3-4 rotation.

If 2 second rd picks are up for trade, i would choose champaigne over bey. Bey was good but injured and haven't seen him for like 2 years.

[esqtvd]

What we're looking for is a #4/#5 guard that can run an offense. In terms of skills, I get the love for Brogdon and Paul. But ... on the court, Paul should *not* be starting or (more importantly) trying to call the shots on a veteran team that won 50 games last year. Five years ago, yeah. Three years ago, maybe. But his "desire" to start tells me he's little clueless about both us and himself. Brogdon is even more of a question mark because he misses so many games. I'd rather offer Jared Butler a two year deal and hope he can keep improving. He's already shown he can contribute at the level we want, and he may have a higher floor still to come. And he's not 40 years old.

I'm gonna guess it's about less ego or delusion about him starting than CP3 not wanting to eat pine and wave a towel while his ex-running mate Beard is out there on the floor getting all the glory. I would find it a misery. I'd want some guarantee of 25-30 minutes or so, so that I didn't feel like a barnacle, especially while James Harden of all people [who got me cast off from Houston] gets the burn.

[KL2]

Come on now.

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[Ballings7]

Not surprised Whitmore was moved.. pretty much inevitable, due to Houston's wing group. He stays healthy and right, he'll be very good. Glad that he'll probably get a big opportunity in Wizland.

But wow, just for two second round picks? Clips should of tried to get in on that.

Good offseason for Washington continues

[Captain Ballmer]

Another name i would suggest is Justin Champaigne from wizards. They drafted tons of wings int the draft with tre johnson and will riley. They also have bilal and keyshaun george. Add middleton and kispert too. They also have Sarr to play 4 as well. Too many guys on the 3-4 rotation.

If 2 second rd picks are up for trade, i would choose champaigne over bey. Bey was good but injured and haven't seen him for like 2 years.

And now they add Whitmore to those wing rotation as well. Champaigne is an easy target.

[esqtvd]

The Clippers doctors were right after all, you know. I did a deep dive with Grok. Another shttburger for you know-it-alls. And now the Nugs have dumped him.

Michael Porter Jr. Rookie Contract Analysis

Rookie Contract Seasons (2018-19 to 2021-22)

2018-19:Possible games: 82
Games played: 0
Games missed: 82
Salary: $2,894,100

2019-20: Possible games: 73
Games played: 55
Games missed: 18
Salary: $3,389,400

2020-21:
Possible games: 72
Games played: 61
Games missed: 11
Salary: $3,550,800

2021-22: Possible games: 82
Games played: 9
Games missed: 73
Salary: $5,258,735

Total possible games: 309
Total games played: 125
Total games missed: 184
Percentage of games missed: 59.55% (184 / 309 × 100)



Total salary on rookie contract: $15,093,095

Second Contract
Signed: September 29, 2021 (five-year max extension)
Effective: 2022-23 season
Salary starting 2022-23: $30,913,750 (jumped to ~$30M/year)

MPJ missed 59.55% of games during his rookie contract, higher than the claimed "half" (50%).

Primary reason for missed games: Back injuries requiring surgeries (2018-19, 2021-22).

The Nugs just dumped him? And it cost a FRP as a sweetener in the deal?

Yeah, they did! On June 30, 2025, the Denver Nuggets traded Michael Porter Jr. and an unprotected 2032 first-round pick to the Brooklyn Nets for Cam Johnson, a move that shocked a lot of fans given MPJ’s role in their 2023 championship. The trade was all about shedding MPJ’s hefty $79 million contract over the next two seasons ($38.3M in 2025-26, $40.8M in 2026-27) for Johnson’s cheaper $44.1 million deal ($21.1M in 2025-26, $23M in 2026-27), saving Denver about $17 million per year. This got them under the luxury tax, opened a $16.8M trade exception, and gave access to the $14.1M non-taxpayer mid-level exception, boosting roster flexibility.

[Roscoe Sheed]

True MPJ has durability problems, but the Clippers selected Jerome Robinson instead- who isn't even good enough to be in the NBA! They really botched that pick.

[MartinToVaught]

True MPJ has durability problems, but the Clippers selected Jerome Robinson instead- who isn't even good enough to be in the NBA! They really botched that pick.

We also may have been able to put MPJ in the PG trade instead of SGA and we'd be incalcuably better off as a franchise right now.

I was never particularly high on MPJ because of how injury-prone he is, but Jerome was one of those picks that everyone knew was a bust/reach from the moment it was announced. Even if the FO was steadfastly against drafting MPJ, there was still a long list of better players than Jerome on the board at 13. Hell, there were multiple guys who went undrafted that year who have had better careers than Jerome.

It was another horrendous move by our front office and there's no spinning it to the contrary.

[Roscoe Sheed]

True MPJ has durability problems, but the Clippers selected Jerome Robinson instead- who isn't even good enough to be in the NBA! They really botched that pick.

We also may have been able to put MPJ in the PG trade instead of SGA and we'd be incalcuably better off as a franchise right now.

I was never particularly high on MPJ because of how injury-prone he is, but Jerome was one of those picks that everyone knew was a bust/reach from the moment it was announced. Even if the FO was steadfastly against drafting MPJ, there was still a long list of better players than Jerome on the board at 13. Hell, there were multiple guys who went undrafted that year who have had better careers than Jerome.

It was another horrendous move by our front office and there's no spinning it to the contrary.

I actually thought that Robinson had NBA talent- saw aspects of CJ McCollum in his game, but he just wanted talented or confident enough to make it

[KL2]

It happens every summer but I still hate it when one player is holding up movement.

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[esqtvd]

True MPJ has durability problems, but the Clippers selected Jerome Robinson instead- who isn't even good enough to be in the NBA! They really botched that pick.

We also may have been able to put MPJ in the PG trade instead of SGA and we'd be incalcuably better off as a franchise right now.

I was never particularly high on MPJ because of how injury-prone he is, but Jerome was one of those picks that everyone knew was a bust/reach from the moment it was announced. Even if the FO was steadfastly against drafting MPJ, there was still a long list of better players than Jerome on the board at 13. Hell, there were multiple guys who went undrafted that year who have had better careers than Jerome.

It was another horrendous move by our front office and there's no spinning it to the contrary.

I actually thought that Robinson had NBA talent- saw aspects of CJ McCollum in his game, but he just wanted talented or confident enough to make it

I saw Jerry West's fingerprints all over the Jerome pick, so there's that. And the point is, MJP did little on his rookie contract, missing 60% of his games--it's right there in black and white. Let's set the record straight. The 'I told you so' crowd are wrong again--the org was quite vindicated by MPJ's pro injury history.

[esqtvd]

True MPJ has durability problems, but the Clippers selected Jerome Robinson instead- who isn't even good enough to be in the NBA! They really botched that pick.

Missing 60% of your games is understating the "problem." The doctors were right. Another narrative bites the dust.