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[MasterIchiro]

How would the mods react to a thread where Master Ichiro proposed the following trade:

Hornets
Sexton
1st round pick
2nd round pick

Jazz
Martin & Micic

The thread would deserve to be locked.

[jayjaysee]

Sexton required a 2nd be added to dump for another expiring who no one pegs as on court value. He's clearly negative and a guy Dallas shouldn't touch. His only claim to fame was his one man show in Bama and that stupid flex he did in some summer league or preseason game

That trade made so little sense that I’m sticking with it being an unnecessarily delayed extension of the Bailey/Kon going differently than expected.. That makes more sense than anything else I’ve seen suggested:

Nurk is Utah’s third center. Sexton was Utahs best guard. The salary difference wasn’t even enough to justify a second without considering in court talent..

Sexton is a guy that can create his own pretty efficient offense in a large role and offers some playmaking... What Dallas needs.His defense is why he’s available for what he is.

The really good guards won’t be available for a below average starting center.. love Gaff but just being realistic.

Charlotte fans (at least this one) are excited to watch Sexton play alongside LaMelo Ball. You can knock the defense but Luka & Kyrie are comparable defensively, so Dallas committed the same sins.

I have Sexton worth a 1st round pick and agree his value is obscured by the Nurkic trade if viewed in a vacuum and not as an extension of Ace Bailey's value to the Jazz.

Huge stretch to equate the value of Nurkic with Sexton. Forget about the 2nd pick added, no less. Nurkic point blank cost the Suns a 1st to unload and they took back 2 bums (Martin & Micic).

How come Nurkic didn’t cost the Hornets a 1st to unload?

Is Martin & Micic > Sexton?

Martin & Micic > Sexton + 1st round pick?

Martin & Micic > Sexton + 1st round pick + 2nd round pick?

See how absurd it gets?

I have Gafford worth 2nds. He's a decent placeholder center.

Not sure Hornets match with Dallas on players other than Sexton.

And didn't Dallas just bring in Russell?

Nurk’s value obviously changed from being a two year contract causing problems on the bench to an expiring salary filler. The bums Phoenix took back had team options so Phoenix paid to get under the second apron..

Ignoring the tax savings for Phoenix is the same as ignoring Sexton’s offense helps Dallas. Just unnecessary to skip the logic.

I don’t think most Utah fans were asking for a first for Sexton, but the ones that were knew it was a very late first..

Gafford is a placeholder and Sexton is an undersized expiring scoring guard.. that’s why their value is close.

Luka/Kyrie defense was acceptable because one was a top 3 player and the other played like a top 20-20 player during that time.. And the team had really good defenders behind then cleaning up.

Theres no DFS, PJ, Reggie, Lively in CLT.. there’s not even a Gafford or Maxi level defender currently.

And I was defending Sexton to start.. DLO was signed. And maybe promised to start til Kyrie got healthy? But neither is good enough to stop from adding the other.

[MasterIchiro]

That trade made so little sense that I’m sticking with it being an unnecessarily delayed extension of the Bailey/Kon going differently than expected.. That makes more sense than anything else I’ve seen suggested:

Nurk is Utah’s third center. Sexton was Utahs best guard. The salary difference wasn’t even enough to justify a second without considering in court talent..

Sexton is a guy that can create his own pretty efficient offense in a large role and offers some playmaking... What Dallas needs.His defense is why he’s available for what he is.

The really good guards won’t be available for a below average starting center.. love Gaff but just being realistic.

Charlotte fans (at least this one) are excited to watch Sexton play alongside LaMelo Ball. You can knock the defense but Luka & Kyrie are comparable defensively, so Dallas committed the same sins.

I have Sexton worth a 1st round pick and agree his value is obscured by the Nurkic trade if viewed in a vacuum and not as an extension of Ace Bailey's value to the Jazz.

Huge stretch to equate the value of Nurkic with Sexton. Forget about the 2nd pick added, no less. Nurkic point blank cost the Suns a 1st to unload and they took back 2 bums (Martin & Micic).

How come Nurkic didn’t cost the Hornets a 1st to unload?

Is Martin & Micic > Sexton?

Martin & Micic > Sexton + 1st round pick?

Martin & Micic > Sexton + 1st round pick + 2nd round pick?

See how absurd it gets?

I have Gafford worth 2nds. He's a decent placeholder center.

Not sure Hornets match with Dallas on players other than Sexton.

And didn't Dallas just bring in Russell?

Nurk’s value obviously changed from being a two year contract causing problems on the bench to an expiring salary filler. The bums Phoenix took back had team options so Phoenix paid to get under the second apron..

Ignoring the tax savings for Phoenix is the same as ignoring Sexton’s offense helps Dallas. Just unnecessary to skip the logic.

I don’t think most Utah fans were asking for a first for Sexton, but the ones that were knew it was a very late first..

Gafford is a placeholder and Sexton is an undersized expiring scoring guard.. that’s why their value is close.

Luka/Kyrie defense was acceptable because one was a top 3 player and the other played like a top 20-20 player during that time.. And the team had really good defenders behind then cleaning up.

Theres no DFS, PJ, Reggie, Lively in CLT.. there’s not even a Gafford or Maxi level defender currently.

And I was defending Sexton to start.. DLO was signed. And maybe promised to start til Kyrie got healthy? But neither is good enough to stop from adding the other.

That's all fine.

But I think the chances of Charlotte surrendering a 6th Man of the Year quality scorer for Gafford are very low.

I think Peterson leveraged draft position to steal Sexton from his suitors. He's only 26, so we want to audition him as a candidate to join LaMelo & Miller.

I know fans always hate when a losing team won't surrender good players but we are not planning to tank so hard as teams like the Nets who are selling high on players like Cam Johnson for unprotected 1st round picks + playoff level rotation players like MPJ.

We keep LaMelo, Miller, and Sexton together.

[jayjaysee]

Charlotte fans (at least this one) are excited to watch Sexton play alongside LaMelo Ball. You can knock the defense but Luka & Kyrie are comparable defensively, so Dallas committed the same sins.

I have Sexton worth a 1st round pick and agree his value is obscured by the Nurkic trade if viewed in a vacuum and not as an extension of Ace Bailey's value to the Jazz.

Huge stretch to equate the value of Nurkic with Sexton. Forget about the 2nd pick added, no less. Nurkic point blank cost the Suns a 1st to unload and they took back 2 bums (Martin & Micic).

How come Nurkic didn’t cost the Hornets a 1st to unload?

Is Martin & Micic > Sexton?

Martin & Micic > Sexton + 1st round pick?

Martin & Micic > Sexton + 1st round pick + 2nd round pick?

See how absurd it gets?

I have Gafford worth 2nds. He's a decent placeholder center.

Not sure Hornets match with Dallas on players other than Sexton.

And didn't Dallas just bring in Russell?

Nurk’s value obviously changed from being a two year contract causing problems on the bench to an expiring salary filler. The bums Phoenix took back had team options so Phoenix paid to get under the second apron..

Ignoring the tax savings for Phoenix is the same as ignoring Sexton’s offense helps Dallas. Just unnecessary to skip the logic.

I don’t think most Utah fans were asking for a first for Sexton, but the ones that were knew it was a very late first..

Gafford is a placeholder and Sexton is an undersized expiring scoring guard.. that’s why their value is close.

Luka/Kyrie defense was acceptable because one was a top 3 player and the other played like a top 20-20 player during that time.. And the team had really good defenders behind then cleaning up.

Theres no DFS, PJ, Reggie, Lively in CLT.. there’s not even a Gafford or Maxi level defender currently.

And I was defending Sexton to start.. DLO was signed. And maybe promised to start til Kyrie got healthy? But neither is good enough to stop from adding the other.

That's all fine.

But I think the chances of Charlotte surrendering a 6th Man of the Year quality scorer for Gafford are very low.

I think Peterson leveraged draft position to steal Sexton from his suitors. He's only 26, so we want to audition him as a candidate to join LaMelo & Miller.

I know fans always hate when a losing team won't surrender good players but we are not planning to tank so hard as teams like the Nets who are selling high on players like Cam Johnson for unprotected 1st round picks + playoff level rotation players like MPJ.

We keep LaMelo, Miller, and Sexton together.

This has nothing to do with losing teams at all, come on.. Realistically, they’d be better with Gafford than with Sexton due to the rest of the roster.

This is just about looking at a roster that just drafted a two guard number 4 overall, resigned a small scoring guard that they like.. and then signed Spencer Dinwiddie.. without moving on from their other small scoring guard NSJ… and has no NBA quality center… so I was thinking a deal could make sense, maybe Dallas owes some.

Theres other centers to target and CLT has plenty of salary matching options though so they can look else where. Just was responding to points you brought up.

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[babyjax13]

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[daoneandonly]

Looks like the Mavs are loading up on the bubble Lakers coaching staff. Not sure how I feel about it. Part of me wanted Kidd to go to nY and Dallas start fresh, but on the other hand I think there is some importance of Flagg seeing some semblance of stability and consistency with the team

[K_chile22]

Big body Roddy is in the 7 team trade. Will miss his contributions to the vipers (which included taking many shots, and making few)

[SkyHook]

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The irony that the guy saying this is one of the most underpaid in the league.

It's not soft, it's smart to recognise you should get paid as much as possible for the brief time you are an NBA player. Numbers equate to pay.

[Godaddycurse]

This is a nice change that will add a marginal amount of fun to the game at no cost.

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The irony that the guy saying this is one of the most underpaid in the league.

Hes not in a contract year. Bet he cares about his percentages when he is (in contract year)

[Apz]

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This is a nice change that will add a marginal amount of fun to the game at no cost.

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[chrbal]

Big body Roddy is in the 7 team trade. Will miss his contributions to the vipers (which included taking many shots, and making few)

What team is acquiring him? And I still don’t understand how he was a first round pick

[ReggiesKnicks]

Big body Roddy is in the 7 team trade. Will miss his contributions to the vipers (which included taking many shots, and making few)

What team is acquiring him? And I still don’t understand how he was a first round pick

He has played more NBA minutes than every player drafted 23-29 in the same draft.

Guess you can't understand why 10-15 players are 1st round picks every year?

[K_chile22]

Big body Roddy is in the 7 team trade. Will miss his contributions to the vipers (which included taking many shots, and making few)

What team is acquiring him? And I still don’t understand how he was a first round pick

Not sure yet it's probably just to accomplish "touching" rules for that giant trade, don't think anyone really actively wants him

[chrbal]

Big body Roddy is in the 7 team trade. Will miss his contributions to the vipers (which included taking many shots, and making few)

What team is acquiring him? And I still don’t understand how he was a first round pick

He has played more NBA minutes than every player drafted 23-29 in the same draft.

Guess you can't understand why 10-15 players are 1st round picks every year?

He’s better than some meh players, ok

I was more focused on him being a 6’4” (listed) 255 lb pf who played 3 years on a decent college team that played in a really weak conference. Nothing about Roddy seems like a first round pick to me. Later second round “why not pick”, sure. But it’s cool you’re hyped about him.

[ReggiesKnicks]

What team is acquiring him? And I still don’t understand how he was a first round pick

He has played more NBA minutes than every player drafted 23-29 in the same draft.

Guess you can't understand why 10-15 players are 1st round picks every year?

He’s better than some meh players, ok

I was more focused on him being a 6’4” (listed) 255 lb pf who played 3 years on a decent college team that played in a really weak conference. Nothing about Roddy seems like a first round pick to me. Later second round “why not pick”, sure. But it’s cool you’re hyped about him.

I'm not hyped about him. I'm just telling you the facts of the comparison between Roddy and the players picked after him.

[SlimShady83]

Anyone know of any updates on this 7team trade?

[SkyHook]

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The irony that the guy saying this is one of the most underpaid in the league.

It's not soft, it's smart to recognise you should get paid as much as possible for the brief time you are an NBA player. Numbers equate to pay.

BBREF has been tracking heaves separately for years. I imagine that teams are smart enough to do this too.

[brackdan70]

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The irony that the guy saying this is one of the most underpaid in the league.

Hes not in a contract year. Bet he cares about his percentages when he is (in contract year)

Nah.. he just makes a nice percentage of his heaves.