Hamsterdam (Ex-players, s***posts, beef, etc.) Continued

[Gravy]

I made this a while ago and forgot to post, ah well

This is perfect for this thread.

And i like the takes overall except the inherently most triggering square.

Pacome and hukporti don’t deserve that yet

Otherwise, kinda **** with it.

I root for the kids too but I get triggered when they do one good thing all night and fans are like they had a Michael Jordan flu game and need to start

[Gravy]

I made this a while ago and forgot to post, ah well

This is perfect for this thread.

And i like the takes overall except the inherently most triggering square.

Pacome and hukporti don’t deserve that yet

Otherwise, kinda **** with it.

Interesting post. Clearly we had people who lived Julius, so they might not be happy you put him in the Hated by Fans row. They must either be sleeping or silently planning their attack.

I supported Randle, his small handful of supporters would agree he was hated by the fanbase far too much for how good he mostly was.

[Jeff Van Gully]

This is perfect for this thread.

And i like the takes overall except the inherently most triggering square.

Pacome and hukporti don’t deserve that yet

Otherwise, kinda **** with it.

Interesting post. Clearly we had people who lived Julius, so they might not be happy you put him in the Hated by Fans row. They must either be sleeping or silently planning their attack.

I supported Randle, his small handful of supporters would agree he was hated by the fanbase far too much for how good he mostly was.

I think you overall did a good job on the discourse pulse part. (Or I should say, yours largely aligns with mine. Put a pin in that. We’ll come back to it.)

I’d disagree with Frank as majority loved. I think certainly by the middle and end he was at best a middle figure with the slider closer to hated. Most people didn’t have the hope that buoyed his supporters. I see him as a defining polarizing figure.

I know I held on as long as I could to the idea of Frank that never materialized. At some point you gotta accept that.

To this point, this is a bit of an interesting Rorschach kind of thing. Because people will also base this on their own positions and the extent to which they found them threatened.

It’s also how we end up with the never ending toxic wars. Both sides of an agenda think everyone is out to get them. It’s fascinating to watch sometimes.

[Gravy]

Interesting post. Clearly we had people who lived Julius, so they might not be happy you put him in the Hated by Fans row. They must either be sleeping or silently planning their attack.

I supported Randle, his small handful of supporters would agree he was hated by the fanbase far too much for how good he mostly was.

I think you overall did a good job on the discourse pulse part. (Or I should say, yours largely aligns with mine. Put a pin in that. We’ll come back to it.)

I’d disagree with Frank as majority loved. I think certainly by the middle and end he was at best a middle figure with the slider closer to hated. Most people didn’t have the hope that buoyed his supporters. I see him as a defining polarizing figure.

I know I held on as long as I could to the idea of Frank that never materialized. At some point you gotta accept that.

To this point, this is a bit of an interesting Rorschach kind of thing. Because people will also base this on their own positions and the extent to which they found them threatened.

It’s also how we end up with the never ending toxic wars. Both sides of an agenda think everyone is out to get them. It’s fascinating to watch sometimes.

The toxicity can spread when it becomes connected to other parts of the team. Like if you're a fan of Frank or other kids their failure was always blamed on the "vets" or the coach or the poster who blamed Dolan sabotaging them lol. You put the blame on Frank only which was rare from most of his loudest supporters. There's also the fun back and forth in sports in proving you were right about something.

I'd say Frank got an absurd amount of love for such a fringe player with one skill. It's like if fans were clamoring for that g-leaguer who wins the dunk contest to play in important games because he can jump high.

[BKlutch]

I supported Randle, his small handful of supporters would agree he was hated by the fanbase far too much for how good he mostly was.

I think you overall did a good job on the discourse pulse part. (Or I should say, yours largely aligns with mine. Put a pin in that. We’ll come back to it.)

I’d disagree with Frank as majority loved. I think certainly by the middle and end he was at best a middle figure with the slider closer to hated. Most people didn’t have the hope that buoyed his supporters. I see him as a defining polarizing figure.

I know I held on as long as I could to the idea of Frank that never materialized. At some point you gotta accept that.

To this point, this is a bit of an interesting Rorschach kind of thing. Because people will also base this on their own positions and the extent to which they found them threatened.

It’s also how we end up with the never ending toxic wars. Both sides of an agenda think everyone is out to get them. It’s fascinating to watch sometimes.

The toxicity can spread when it becomes connected to other parts of the team. Like if you're a fan of Frank or other kids their failure was always blamed on the "vets" or the coach or the poster who blamed Dolan sabotaging them lol. You put the blame on Frank only which was rare from most of his loudest supporters. There's also the fun back and forth in sports in proving you were right about something.

I'd say Frank got an absurd amount of love for such a fringe player with one skill. It's like if fans were clamoring for that g-leaguer who wins the dunk contest to play in important games because he can jump high.

Frank was a kind of fantasy that never existed in reality. People were desperate for a better team and hopped on the Frank bandwagon. At least they didn’t drink Cool Aid.

[nykballa2k4]

I think you overall did a good job on the discourse pulse part. (Or I should say, yours largely aligns with mine. Put a pin in that. We’ll come back to it.)

I’d disagree with Frank as majority loved. I think certainly by the middle and end he was at best a middle figure with the slider closer to hated. Most people didn’t have the hope that buoyed his supporters. I see him as a defining polarizing figure.

I know I held on as long as I could to the idea of Frank that never materialized. At some point you gotta accept that.

To this point, this is a bit of an interesting Rorschach kind of thing. Because people will also base this on their own positions and the extent to which they found them threatened.

It’s also how we end up with the never ending toxic wars. Both sides of an agenda think everyone is out to get them. It’s fascinating to watch sometimes.

The toxicity can spread when it becomes connected to other parts of the team. Like if you're a fan of Frank or other kids their failure was always blamed on the "vets" or the coach or the poster who blamed Dolan sabotaging them lol. You put the blame on Frank only which was rare from most of his loudest supporters. There's also the fun back and forth in sports in proving you were right about something.

I'd say Frank got an absurd amount of love for such a fringe player with one skill. It's like if fans were clamoring for that g-leaguer who wins the dunk contest to play in important games because he can jump high.

Frank was a kind of fantasy that never existed in reality. People were desperate for a better team and hopped on the Frank bandwagon. At least they didn’t drink Cool Aid.

What irks me about Frank is that he has all of the tools to be SGA. If instead of Horny, we had Kenny Atkinson, the whole discussion might have been different.

Now he is what he is, playing in Euroleague where he can be a bigger fish, but we really were a poor place to develop for him.
Might not have made a difference, but we will never know.

[Jeff Van Gully]

The toxicity can spread when it becomes connected to other parts of the team. Like if you're a fan of Frank or other kids their failure was always blamed on the "vets" or the coach or the poster who blamed Dolan sabotaging them lol. You put the blame on Frank only which was rare from most of his loudest supporters. There's also the fun back and forth in sports in proving you were right about something.

I'd say Frank got an absurd amount of love for such a fringe player with one skill. It's like if fans were clamoring for that g-leaguer who wins the dunk contest to play in important games because he can jump high.

Frank was a kind of fantasy that never existed in reality. People were desperate for a better team and hopped on the Frank bandwagon. At least they didn’t drink Cool Aid.

What irks me about Frank is that he has all of the tools to be SGA. If instead of Horny, we had Kenny Atkinson, the whole discussion might have been different.

Now he is what he is, playing in Euroleague where he can be a bigger fish, but we really were a poor place to develop for him.
Might not have made a difference, but we will never know.

i don’t think coaching is why frank isn’t more like SGA.

for starters, at no point has SGA ever moved shook.

[BKlutch]

Frank was a kind of fantasy that never existed in reality. People were desperate for a better team and hopped on the Frank bandwagon. At least they didn’t drink Cool Aid.

What irks me about Frank is that he has all of the tools to be SGA. If instead of Horny, we had Kenny Atkinson, the whole discussion might have been different.

Now he is what he is, playing in Euroleague where he can be a bigger fish, but we really were a poor place to develop for him.
Might not have made a difference, but we will never know.

i don’t think coaching is why frank isn’t more like SGA.

for starters, at no point has SGA ever moved shook.

With good coaching, Frank would have been much better. He'd have been what he is now - a mediocre Euroleague player. Frank may have looked the part, but he was never actually SGA material.

[KnicksGadfly]

Phil Jackson did not pick Frank to be SGA. Phil Jackson wanted him to be the triangle PG.

[nykballa2k4]

What irks me about Frank is that he has all of the tools to be SGA. If instead of Horny, we had Kenny Atkinson, the whole discussion might have been different.

Now he is what he is, playing in Euroleague where he can be a bigger fish, but we really were a poor place to develop for him.
Might not have made a difference, but we will never know.

i don’t think coaching is why frank isn’t more like SGA.

for starters, at no point has SGA ever moved shook.

With good coaching, Frank would have been much better. He'd have been what he is now - a mediocre Euroleague player. Frank may have looked the part, but he was never actually SGA material.

We are never going to know. All we know is what he is now.

[Ghetto Gospel]

there is no universe where frank wins an mvp, a finals mvp and a scoring title all in the same year. stop this

[Guano]

i was gonna ask when this became the pacific northwest tour guide thread but then we got a clyde_style and diddy mention at the bottom of the page to set things back on track

Quick update from the trail.

Spoiler:

Ran into this guy and had to send em to god. Jk jk... it was already dead and scared the SHT outta me. I thought it was sleeping and I didnt want to get taken out by a 20lb cat.

[Guano]

I see he hasn't posted in 2 weeks and is on the list of suspended users. That's a clue.

there's a list ?

If you click your own name and look at your profile, you'll see "Groups". If you do that with his, you'll see two groups: Registered Users and Suspended Users. You only have registered - sorry, only 1 group LOL. If you search for members by clicking on "Quick Links" on the upper left portion of a page, you'll be able to search in various groups. Registered, Suspended, and I think some others. Unfortunatey, no group call Bad Boys.

This sht is too complicated.

We should have a sticky thread like the jail blotter that also list the charges. lol.

[Capn'O]

What irks me about Frank is that he has all of the tools to be SGA.

I'm sorry, WHAT? SGA has maybe the deepest bag of moves and counter moves I've ever seen and full confidence to use it. He was already incredibly deceptive coming out of college. Frank had literally none of that. He just didn't have the aptitude or the attitude for coaching to get him anywhere near that level.

My dream was for him to max out like Stacey Augmon with a jumper. A VERY useful player for a contender but not the guy that was gonna bring you there. But even Stacey had a mean streak.

[BKlutch]

there's a list ?

If you click your own name and look at your profile, you'll see "Groups". If you do that with his, you'll see two groups: Registered Users and Suspended Users. You only have registered - sorry, only 1 group LOL. If you search for members by clicking on "Quick Links" on the upper left portion of a page, you'll be able to search in various groups. Registered, Suspended, and I think some others. Unfortunatey, no group call Bad Boys.

This sht is too complicated.

We should have a sticky thread like the jail blotter that also list the charges. lol.

LOL. That could make it even more complicated. Let's give our mods a break here.

[Capn'O]

I root for the kids too...

[Gravy]

I root for the kids too...

We dont have any good ones to get excited about anymore

Have you seen Deuce most of the year...hot trash. Hukporti did a dunk in garbage time wow!!!!!!

Maybe someone will show out in summer league. Kolek could have been working on a NBA skill besides passing

[nykballa2k4]

What irks me about Frank is that he has all of the tools to be SGA.

I'm sorry, WHAT? SGA has maybe the deepest bag of moves and counter moves I've ever seen and full confidence to use it. He was already incredibly deceptive coming out of college. Frank had literally none of that. He just didn't have the aptitude or the attitude for coaching to get him anywhere near that level.

My dream was for him to max out like Stacey Augmon with a jumper. A VERY useful player for a contender but not the guy that was gonna bring you there. But even Stacey had a mean streak.

Frank had a solid bag for his age in Euroleague...
Also SGA was obviously not projected to be what he has become.

Frank has all the TOOLS (similar build, athletic profile, playmaking ability, scoring ability)
not a 1:1 comparison by any means, but the big differences between the two is the developmental program around them and the obvious "that which is between the ears"

[Knicksfan1992]

What irks me about Frank is that he has all of the tools to be SGA.

I'm sorry, WHAT? SGA has maybe the deepest bag of moves and counter moves I've ever seen and full confidence to use it. He was already incredibly deceptive coming out of college. Frank had literally none of that. He just didn't have the aptitude or the attitude for coaching to get him anywhere near that level.

My dream was for him to max out like Stacey Augmon with a jumper. A VERY useful player for a contender but not the guy that was gonna bring you there. But even Stacey had a mean streak.

Frank had a solid bag for his age in Euroleague...
Also SGA was obviously not projected to be what he has become.

Frank has all the TOOLS (similar build, athletic profile, playmaking ability, scoring ability)
not a 1:1 comparison by any means, but the big differences between the two is the developmental program around them and the obvious "that which is between the ears"

I've seen some delusional chit on this forum but, this one takes the cake lol.

There's no doubt the Knicks screwed up Frank's development to a degree but Frank was not gifted enough to score 30 a night.

He got to Dallas at a young age too and didn't do chit there either. Sometimes guys just aren't cut out for offense at the NBA level. Unfortunately that's what happened to Frank.

[nykballa2k4]

I'm sorry, WHAT? SGA has maybe the deepest bag of moves and counter moves I've ever seen and full confidence to use it. He was already incredibly deceptive coming out of college. Frank had literally none of that. He just didn't have the aptitude or the attitude for coaching to get him anywhere near that level.

My dream was for him to max out like Stacey Augmon with a jumper. A VERY useful player for a contender but not the guy that was gonna bring you there. But even Stacey had a mean streak.

Frank had a solid bag for his age in Euroleague...
Also SGA was obviously not projected to be what he has become.

Frank has all the TOOLS (similar build, athletic profile, playmaking ability, scoring ability)
not a 1:1 comparison by any means, but the big differences between the two is the developmental program around them and the obvious "that which is between the ears"

I've seen some delusional chit on this forum but, this one takes the cake lol.

There's no doubt the Knicks screwed up Frank's development to a degree but Frank was not gifted enough to score 30 a night.

He got to Dallas at a young age too and didn't do chit there either. Sometimes guys just aren't cut out for offense at the NBA level. Unfortunately that's what happened to Frank.

End of the day, he does not seem to have "that dawg" in him. If he were a true gym rat, those guys are going to max out (or get hurt trying).

In the NBA he is at that Dante Exum level. Exum is another one where people expected he would hit the high-ceiling.

Still upset that my NBA championship squad with Frank Williams, Lavar Postell, Lee Nailon, Sweetney, and Jackie Butler never panned out.