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Re: 2025 Offseason Free Agency Thread 

Post#661 » by Kobblehead » Sat Jul 5, 2025 1:53 pm

PJ Washington would fit well, but we better not waste any more draft picks by investing in this shakey ass contention window, lol.

Our PF of the future needs to be acquired through the draft IMO.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Free Agency Thread 

Post#662 » by mjkvol » Sat Jul 5, 2025 2:14 pm

Kobblehead wrote:PJ Washington would fit well, but we better not waste any more draft picks by investing in this shakey ass contention window, lol.

Our PF of the future needs to be acquired through the draft IMO.


No doubt. Although I love the term, I actually think that "shakey ass" doesn't go far enough - this contention window was DOA as of last off season.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Free Agency Thread 

Post#663 » by Iverson Armband » Sat Jul 5, 2025 2:17 pm

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Definitely, I get you. Note I didn't say that Grimes isn't worth at least $15M. Was just making the point that Nembhard is difficult to use as a model that can be replicated. I'll also say that Grimes' reported expectations ($25M-ish) seem unwarranted based on what he's produced thus far.


I guess all I’m saying is that given their very similar skillsets, it’s not hard at all to envision Grimes putting up similar (if not better) stats to Nembhard in a playoff situation. Of course the reality is he hasn’t done it, but only because he hasn’t gotten the opportunity IMO. So we can’t say for certain, but I feel there’s really no reason to believe he couldn’t.


A lot of players have similar skills sets to others and never achieve anything close to what those others do. It's about more than a pure skill set or counting stats, but I'm sure you already know that. Andrew Nembhard has proven himself to be the kind of 2-way player that contending teams will covet, a defensive stopper you can put on the league MVP, while Grimes has posted nice numbers in a tank commander role.

Is Grimes worth $15 mil? I suppose in this market he is, and a 4/60 type of deal is one you can probably move if he doesn't turn out to be what his skill set indicates he could become, but I'm not ready to compare him to a guy who has already shown that his performance rises as the games get bigger.

You pretty much repeated what I already said. Players are compared all the time, that’s what we do as fans during the dog days of sunmer. Of course no situation is 1 to 1, that’s stating the obvious. Hell, there are people here who were quick to compare Maxey to like Damian Lillard, a top 75 player of all time, despite him not having anywhere near the accolades or individual playoff success. And just as they weren’t necessarily wrong for doing so, we’re only talking about Andrew frickin’ Nembhard here, so let’s not get carried away.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Free Agency Thread 

Post#664 » by Arsenal » Sat Jul 5, 2025 2:41 pm

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It's a good thing they end the trade still under the 1st apron, because otherwise it would be illegal. They would still be hard capped at the 1st apron. Also now with no way to fill out the roster.

It's easiest to just think of it as they always need to send more money than they take in. The teams that don't mind getting hard capped are the teams who are way below as it is. The Sixers will not be way below again as long as they have Embiid, George, and Maxey all under max contracts.


This is another reason why we MUST use the tMLE this year along with resigning Grimes. We will need that extra salary ballast in trade since we have to send out more salary than we receive in any trade to avoid being hardcapped at the 1st Apron.


And when Embiid is out again, and they use more picks to dump salary so they can get back under the tax?

I think you have to have Grimes signed first then see where you're at.


Once again you tacitly agree that the owner's priority is saving money and not winning.

Otherwise, he should bite the bullet and pay the tax for one year considering how he DUCKED it to save money the last two years, which would help building the asset base for the future.

It's a disgrace how Harris ducked the tax in 17, 18, 19, 20, 23, and 24 when we were in Embiid's prime window. He ONLY paid tax in 21 and 22. That's a big, yet under-the-radar reason why this team always disappointed.

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Re: 2025 Offseason Free Agency Thread 

Post#665 » by the_process » Sat Jul 5, 2025 4:37 pm

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This is another reason why we MUST use the tMLE this year along with resigning Grimes. We will need that extra salary ballast in trade since we have to send out more salary than we receive in any trade to avoid being hardcapped at the 1st Apron.


And when Embiid is out again, and they use more picks to dump salary so they can get back under the tax?

I think you have to have Grimes signed first then see where you're at.


Once again you tacitly agree that the owner's priority is saving money and not winning.

Otherwise, he should bite the bullet and pay the tax for one year considering how he DUCKED it to save money the last two years, which would help building the asset base for the future.

It's a disgrace how Harris ducked the tax in 17, 18, 19, 20, 23, and 24 when we were in Embiid's prime window. He ONLY paid tax in 21 and 22. That's a big, yet under-the-radar reason why this team always disappointed.

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This is all about having the correct expectations.

Yeah, billionaires didn't get to be billionaires by throwing away money.

Also, Josh is not a fan. The Sixers are an investment, and a place to be seen and do business. This is not the Phils and Middleton, and in more recent times Lurie and the Eagles.

Josh has paid tax when the Sixers were good and warranted it. He's not the best owner, he's not the worst owner. I think the issue here is that the opinion of Embiid as a franchise guy is far overstated still. He's not. Full stop.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Free Agency Thread 

Post#666 » by FireMorey » Sat Jul 5, 2025 5:00 pm

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Re: 2025 Offseason Free Agency Thread 

Post#667 » by Iscull » Sat Jul 5, 2025 5:16 pm

FireMorey wrote:Grimes

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I think he’s going to sign the QO
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Re: 2025 Offseason Free Agency Thread 

Post#668 » by Negrodamus » Sat Jul 5, 2025 5:46 pm

Grimes signing the QO would be spooky as a player. He would have to have a lot of confidence that he can work his way into major usage and keep up his scoring load for it to be worth it.

I also get not wanting to be a $15 mil a year player if you think you’re upside is a 25ppg scorer.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Free Agency Thread 

Post#669 » by the_process » Sat Jul 5, 2025 6:52 pm

I'd be interested in seeing if there's some kind of deal that could be made for Giddey.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Free Agency Thread 

Post#670 » by Phillybul » Sat Jul 5, 2025 6:55 pm

the_process wrote:I'd be interested in seeing if there's some kind of deal that could be made for Giddey.


He’s asking for $30mil per. Seems Jalen Suggs contract set the market for fellow draft mates like Kuminga, Grimes.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Free Agency Thread 

Post#671 » by Ben » Sat Jul 5, 2025 7:00 pm

Negrodamus wrote:Grimes signing the QO would be spooky as a player. He would have to have a lot of confidence that he can work his way into major usage and keep up his scoring load for it to be worth it.

I also get not wanting to be a $15 mil a year player if you think you’re upside is a 25ppg scorer.


I get it, too-- the part about not wanting to earn $15M/year if you think that you're a 25ppg scorer-- but not if the player is surrounded by realistic people rather than yes-men entourages. Even ONE realistic person, hopefully the player's agent. I'd want the people surrounding the player to point out that in his 28-game stint with Philadelphia, when he averaged almost twice the points per 36 minutes than he did in any other season (still not 25ppg), his team's record was 4 wins and 24 losses. And I'd want them to revisit some of the box scores and game films in order to point out the level of competition against which he was scoring all those points.

Could he do it with decent players alongside him, and playing against solid competition? Maybe. Mmmmmaybe. But can he expect any GM to bet tens of millions of dollars on that, without any evidence to support it? Mmmmmaaaybe not.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Free Agency Thread 

Post#672 » by Arsenal » Sat Jul 5, 2025 7:08 pm

Grimes would be a total fool to sign the QO. He’s unlikely to get the chance to put up huge numbers next year.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Free Agency Thread 

Post#673 » by sixers hoops » Sat Jul 5, 2025 8:04 pm

Arsenal wrote:Grimes would be a total fool to sign the QO. He’s unlikely to get the chance to put up huge numbers next year.


Although he may be willing to risk it if there are expected more teams with cap space. My guess is he doesn’t get more waiting until next summer.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Free Agency Thread 

Post#674 » by sixers hoops » Sat Jul 5, 2025 8:09 pm

Arsenal wrote:
the_process wrote:
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This is another reason why we MUST use the tMLE this year along with resigning Grimes. We will need that extra salary ballast in trade since we have to send out more salary than we receive in any trade to avoid being hardcapped at the 1st Apron.


And when Embiid is out again, and they use more picks to dump salary so they can get back under the tax?

I think you have to have Grimes signed first then see where you're at.


Once again you tacitly agree that the owner's priority is saving money and not winning.

Otherwise, he should bite the bullet and pay the tax for one year considering how he DUCKED it to save money the last two years, which would help building the asset base for the future.

It's a disgrace how Harris ducked the tax in 17, 18, 19, 20, 23, and 24 when we were in Embiid's prime window. He ONLY paid tax in 21 and 22. That's a big, yet under-the-radar reason why this team always disappointed.

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I think he usually bails on the luxury tax once he realizes the team isn’t going to contend. In that case, I don’t care if he dumps a player to get under the tax. It’s the occasional burning of picks to get below the tax that really puts us at a competitive disadvantage. I believe he moved Thybulle for a less expensive package to get under the tax. If we weren’t re-signing him, then it’s a smart move to reset the tax and save a few bucks.

If your point is that he is a billionaire and should never care about the luxury tax, I’ve just accepted that isn’t ever going to happen.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Free Agency Thread 

Post#675 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Sat Jul 5, 2025 8:25 pm

What is the likelihood of Jabari Walker getting meaningful minutes here? I watched a video where he hit six threes against Boston last year. Yeah garbage time hoops and I think Boston beat them by at least 70 points, but it was encouraging to see that. I didn't know he had that kind of range. He's a better rim protector then I thought as well. I get that Kelly Oubre is going to start at power forward for us, but we're going to get murked on the glass if that happens. Paul George is simply not a power forward in my opinion. Yeah he played 79.94732673% of his minutes at power forward last season but that was also because we didn't have a power forward on this roster. Yabu was supposed to be him, but he played center for the majority of the season because Embiid was injured. Rebounding has been our biggest issue. Why not at least start a traditional power forward alongside Embiid for a few games to see how it works? Is it because we might get ran out of the gym athletically? Nick Nurse and his small ball lineups have been constant layup lines defensively for us. It's been awful and he just refuses to do anything different. It's insanity. Can't wait to see Kyle Lowry and Eric Gordon in a linuep with Maxey, Grimes, and Paul George at center.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Free Agency Thread 

Post#676 » by FireMorey » Sat Jul 5, 2025 10:32 pm

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Re: 2025 Offseason Free Agency Thread 

Post#677 » by eyeatoma » Sat Jul 5, 2025 10:41 pm

Negrodamus wrote:Grimes signing the QO would be spooky as a player. He would have to have a lot of confidence that he can work his way into major usage and keep up his scoring load for it to be worth it.

I also get not wanting to be a $15 mil a year player if you think you’re upside is a 25ppg scorer.


He can think his upside is that but he'll likely average at most 15-17 ppg this season (that's if things go South) it'll more likely be 13-14 ppg.

With that, he should take the money. The QO with a better FA class next year, and most likely a reduced offensive role is going the Nerlens Noel way. Dude needs to grab his bag while he can still get one.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Free Agency Thread 

Post#678 » by Mik317 » Sat Jul 5, 2025 10:57 pm

i don't think there is a rush if only because you can't even sign deals until the 6th
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Re: 2025 Offseason Free Agency Thread 

Post#679 » by Negrodamus » Sat Jul 5, 2025 11:53 pm

eyeatoma wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:Grimes signing the QO would be spooky as a player. He would have to have a lot of confidence that he can work his way into major usage and keep up his scoring load for it to be worth it.

I also get not wanting to be a $15 mil a year player if you think you’re upside is a 25ppg scorer.


He can think his upside is that but he'll likely average at most 15-17 ppg this season (that's if things go South) it'll more likely be 13-14 ppg.

With that, he should take the money. The QO with a better FA class next year, and most likely a reduced offensive role is going the Nerlens Noel way. Dude needs to grab his bag while he can still get one.


Yea, but nobody believes in these guys more than themselves. I’m with you; but we’re looking at this from a realistic standpoint.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Free Agency Thread 

Post#680 » by phifans » Sun Jul 6, 2025 12:42 am

Seems like QG is waiting for the outcomes of Johnason Kuminga and see if there's any money left ...

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