Blue Jays vs. Angels, July 4-6

[Lateral Quicks]

Hopefully Bichette can get hot and he can trade him for a useful reliever at the deadline. I have no hesitation in putting Clement at SS for the rest of the season.

Maybe another organization can teach Bichette some plate discipline. Dude has a career walk rate of ~5.5%, and that won't cut it.

I’m not trading a useful player off the MLB roster for a reliever if they’re a contender.

Just give him the QO after the season, he’ll decline it and we will be done with him.

How useful of a player is he at this point? Almost 400 PAs this season and only 1.2 bWAR, 1.4 bWAR. He's a league average hitter this year, and we know his defensive contributions all too well. And this comes after a horrible 2024 performance.

If I can get a quality late inning reliever for him, I do that trade. We have two guys - Clement and Gimenez - that can fill his role at SS.

[Boogie!]

Nice to have relievers out of the bullpen like Estrada and Fisher, compared to the terrible guys we had last year and even earlier in the year (Barnes and Lovelady).

To be honest did anyone expect this out of fisher?

Nobody did. However, credit to Ross Atkins for getting Fisher over a scrub like Biggio (who was here two years longer than I wished). Biggio then bounced around to four more teams after Toronto, and not even playing in MLB right now. As much as I have ripped Atkins over the years, credit to him for this move.

Yeah. Was luck though. Fishers numbers in the minors weren’t great until this season. Walked a lot of batters

[polo007]

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[bluerap23]

Hopefully Bichette can get hot and he can trade him for a useful reliever at the deadline. I have no hesitation in putting Clement at SS for the rest of the season.

Maybe another organization can teach Bichette some plate discipline. Dude has a career walk rate of ~5.5%, and that won't cut it.

I’m not trading a useful player off the MLB roster for a reliever if they’re a contender.

Just give him the QO after the season, he’ll decline it and we will be done with him.

How useful of a player is he at this point? Almost 400 PAs this season and only 1.2 bWAR, 1.4 bWAR. He's a league average hitter this year, and we know his defensive contributions all too well. And this comes after a horrible 2024 performance.

If I can get a quality late inning reliever for him, I do that trade. We have two guys - Clement and Gimenez - that can fill his role at SS.

They aren't trading offence for a reliever. Stop it.

[Randle McMurphy]

Hopefully Bichette can get hot and he can trade him for a useful reliever at the deadline. I have no hesitation in putting Clement at SS for the rest of the season.

Maybe another organization can teach Bichette some plate discipline. Dude has a career walk rate of ~5.5%, and that won't cut it.

I’m not trading a useful player off the MLB roster for a reliever if they’re a contender.

Just give him the QO after the season, he’ll decline it and we will be done with him.

How useful of a player is he at this point? Almost 400 PAs this season and only 1.2 bWAR, 1.4 bWAR. He's a league average hitter this year, and we know his defensive contributions all too well. And this comes after a horrible 2024 performance.

If I can get a quality late inning reliever for him, I do that trade. We have two guys - Clement and Gimenez - that can fill his role at SS.

Considering Gimenez isn’t healthy right now and could conceivably be out a month, a 2-3 WAR player is pretty useful considering the alternative is Jimenez playing a lot more. It’s not gonna happen.

[Ranger One]

Hopefully Bichette can get hot and he can trade him for a useful reliever at the deadline. I have no hesitation in putting Clement at SS for the rest of the season.

Maybe another organization can teach Bichette some plate discipline. Dude has a career walk rate of ~5.5%, and that won't cut it.

I’m not trading a useful player off the MLB roster for a reliever if they’re a contender.

Just give him the QO after the season, he’ll decline it and we will be done with him.

How useful of a player is he at this point? Almost 400 PAs this season and only 1.2 bWAR, 1.4 bWAR. He's a league average hitter this year, and we know his defensive contributions all too well. And this comes after a horrible 2024 performance.

If I can get a quality late inning reliever for him, I do that trade. We have two guys - Clement and Gimenez - that can fill his role at SS.

Yeah, i think the seasons where Bichette was a perennial hits leader are well behind him now. I also think we should trade him while he has SOME value left. I think all those leg those injuries the last 2 years have permanently derailed his career and i dont think he will ever be the Bo we knew from 2-3 seasons ago. Maybe if he stays healthy on another team for a full year he might get back to his elite status, but as you said, hes a league average hitter now that id gladly give up for a good/elite relief arm.

[Randle McMurphy]

To be honest did anyone expect this out of fisher?

Nobody did. However, credit to Ross Atkins for getting Fisher over a scrub like Biggio (who was here two years longer than I wished). Biggio then bounced around to four more teams after Toronto, and not even playing in MLB right now. As much as I have ripped Atkins over the years, credit to him for this move.

Yeah. Was luck though. Fishers numbers in the minors weren’t great until this season. Walked a lot of batters

He struck out a ton in the minors too though.

It wouldn’t surprise me if the Jays told him to start throwing his two breaking balls more often (which he seems to have good command of) rather than his fastball.

[Randle McMurphy]

I’m not trading a useful player off the MLB roster for a reliever if they’re a contender.

Just give him the QO after the season, he’ll decline it and we will be done with him.

How useful of a player is he at this point? Almost 400 PAs this season and only 1.2 bWAR, 1.4 bWAR. He's a league average hitter this year, and we know his defensive contributions all too well. And this comes after a horrible 2024 performance.

If I can get a quality late inning reliever for him, I do that trade. We have two guys - Clement and Gimenez - that can fill his role at SS.

Yeah, i think the seasons where Bichette was a perennial hits leader are well behind him now. I also think we should trade him while he has SOME value left. I think all those leg those injuries the last 2 years have permanently derailed his career and i dont think he will ever be the Bo we knew from 2-3 seasons ago. Maybe if he stays healthy on another team for a full year he might get back to his elite status, but as you said, hes a league average hitter now that id gladly give up for a good/elite relief arm.

No seller is going to want 3 months of Bichette either which is the other issue here. They’ll want long-term assets.

[-MetA4-]

How useful of a player is he at this point? Almost 400 PAs this season and only 1.2 bWAR, 1.4 bWAR. He's a league average hitter this year, and we know his defensive contributions all too well. And this comes after a horrible 2024 performance.

If I can get a quality late inning reliever for him, I do that trade. We have two guys - Clement and Gimenez - that can fill his role at SS.

But you're not really considering the mechanics of how your proposed idea doesn't really make any sense in reality:

1) If a bad/selling team is selling a quality reliever at the deadline, why would they want half a season of Bo Bichette who is about to hit free agency? A bad team would be looking to return assets that help them next year and into the future (ie: young controllable MLB players, or prospects). They gain nothing by shipping a trade-piece for an established MLB player who has no control remaining.

So a bad/selling team isn't going to be interested in Bichette, which means your only other option is a team that is in position to push for the playoffs. However:

2) A good team that is expecting to compete for the playoffs generally isn't going to be trading away a quality reliever at the deadline. Quality relievers are gold for playoff caliber teams: they all want to add more of them, not remove them from their roster. And furthermore, a playoff contending team would actually need a SS/2B for them to even be interested in Bichette. And if we are looking to dump him because he is struggling, then which other playoff contending team would he be a significant enough upgrade for that they would consider giving us one of their quality relievers?

So you see, there really isn't any realistic avenue for Bichette to be used as a trade piece.

[JaysRule15]

Yea no point trading Bo. Might as well ride him out and give him the QO and hopefully some team starved for hits signs him. But Bo simply isn't an impact player.

[duppyy]

Just saw Barger while walking my dog. Told him nice hit lol

[greekman]

trade bichette and hope santander has a resurgence. keep varsho

[bartron_44]

Is there crack in the air or something? Bichette is the best hitter this year with RISP in the AL ( 2nd in all of baseball). He’s hit lead off basically the entire first half, and still leads the team with 50 RBIs.

I was so happy to see him in the 4 hole today…. As that is where he really should have been all season. Somewhere in the 3-4-5 range of the order where he can drive in runs. instead of being thr guy trying to score 120 runs. He should just be trying to drive in 120 runs.


That lineup today started, .370 OBP, 380 OBP, .380 OBP and then AL leader in hitting with RISP (.hitting .400 in those situations)…. And then Barger…. and then Kirk !!!


Thats a playoff looking lineup with a .300 hitter in the bottom 3.

[Asianiac_24]

We are not trading Bo.

[polo007]

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[Boogie!]

Why did they send Estrada down after a good showing last night

[xAIRNESSx]

Probably to free up a roster spot since he has options and won’t be pitching for a couple days after going 4 innings yesterday.

I assume he’ll be back up next week.

[GoRapstheoriginal]

Why did they send Estrada down after a good showing last night

Same question from me.

[Madvillainy2004]

Gausman gotta be better lol

[Randle McMurphy]

Why did they send Estrada down after a good showing last night

Because they need RPs who can actually pitch today and tomorrow.