Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade/Waiver Thread

[darrendaye]

DARKO trajectory projects Neemi and luka Garza on a better path than either Londale or Huff
not that DARKO is a be-all but as a datapoint, this is what is says
https://ibb.co/Mx1ZCPC2

As a proponent of a Simons for Vucevic trade, I would like to end the year with Queta and Garza taking the center minutes if Tatum does not make a return.

This is kinda why I don't want Vuc or Nurk. Let's just roll with the guys we got. We're weak at PF too. So, as long as a salary saving trade brings back someone 6'9" or taller, I'm happy.

Yep, PF is looking like Niang, Tillman, Minott. Walsh, Norris. I did warn the forum, Tillman

[playa-hater]

So Cam Whitmore and Reed Shepherd hardly played because coach Ime i wanted to start and pay FVV.. The man who shot 38 and 34 percent last season.. All while being a tiny defender...

[chrisab123]

So Cam Whitmore and Reed Shepherd hardly played because coach Ime i wanted to start and pay FVV.. The man who shot 38 and 34 percent last season.. All while being a tiny defender...

And they both could suck. Both can be true

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As a proponent of a Simons for Vucevic trade, I would like to end the year with Queta and Garza taking the center minutes if Tatum does not make a return.

This is kinda why I don't want Vuc or Nurk. Let's just roll with the guys we got. We're weak at PF too. So, as long as a salary saving trade brings back someone 6'9" or taller, I'm happy.

Yep, PF is looking like Niang, Tillman, Minott. Walsh, Norris. I did warn the forum, Tillman

Hauser can play the 4 as well...JB too, depending on the matchup..also wouldn't surprise me if we occasionally go double bigs with Amari on the floor w/ either Garza or Queta..

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To be clear on the above, I don't hold out much hope for either Simons or Kuz long term. So, why not take the cheaper one ($5M less), get a 2nd or two, and free up more time at the guard/wing spot where we DO have long term prospects that we invested 1st round picks in.

If you think Simons is a possible, long term answer, I get that. Then you wouldn't trade for Kuz at that point.

Personally I want to see what Simons can do in Boston. I’m looking forward to having a guy who can get into the teeth of the defense and do both score and pass. The game is so much easier when you have a guard who can win with their first step. And since Stevens and Mazulla want to shoot a trillion threes we need guys who can make them.

Agreed. I think Simons could really flourish here.

The Tatum injury also benefits him. It'll help his adjustment to Boston by getting more touches. Year 1 (this season) is an adjustment year to Boston. Then by the time Tatum is back healthy, Simons has been fully acclimated so it and can then adjust to a slightly lower usage role.

That way he gradually adjusts to his new role: from high usage guy in Portland -> high usage guy in Boston -> medium usage guy in Boston is more of a gradual transition than high usage guy in Portland -> medium usage guy in Boston.

Would've maybe been a rockier adjustment having to adjust to a new team *and* a different (lower usage) role than he had been used to..

[celtxman]

Does anyone think our starting center for 26-27 is on the roster now?

Genuinely curious.

I don't think the starting center for 25/26 is here yet either. They either hated Kalkbrenner , Raynaud, and also Huff who had skills and is cheap, or they have someone else in mind

[djFan71]

To be clear on the above, I don't hold out much hope for either Simons or Kuz long term. So, why not take the cheaper one ($5M less), get a 2nd or two, and free up more time at the guard/wing spot where we DO have long term prospects that we invested 1st round picks in.

If you think Simons is a possible, long term answer, I get that. Then you wouldn't trade for Kuz at that point.

If this is the logic (a fair one i think), they should flip simons for someone like vucevic and see how much money he’d give up in a buyout to see how much salary you can cut for this year. Another option is folding the KP and Jrue trade into one and rerouting Simons to BKN while taking back Mann (considered a bad contract because more years left on the deal but less $ than simons for this year). This would also create a TPE equal to Jrue’s salary (32.7m)

Looked into this more because i think it’s a bit weird that celtics signed two more guys at their vet mins (which is more expensive than signing UDFAs) which added to the tax $ putting them over by 20.3mil while no additional salary cutting moves have been announced. If the celtics execute the jrue/kp trade in one while flipping simons to the nets and taking back mann (bkn still has 17m cap space left so this is possible) and then trade niang into the nets room exception (8.7m), they will be under the tax by less than 0.1mil LOL. My theory based on this is that they already have this deal lined up as a backup but are looking into deals that they might like more until the trades have to go official.

I thought about the Mann thing actually, see a few pages back. I had it as a new trade, but basically the same thing. Great minds, lol. But I think it would ultimately cost additional assets (probably an 2nd at least) and I don’t wanna pay them.

I don’t think a buyout really helps. It helps in raw dollars, but I believe the full salary still counts on the cap/tax/apron which is the part you really wanna save. Amd, once you buy someone out, that’s the end of the road, no more whittling it down by flipping them for someone cheaper..

Kuz or Vuc the players don’t

[djFan71]

This is kinda why I don't want Vuc or Nurk. Let's just roll with the guys we got. We're weak at PF too. So, as long as a salary saving trade brings back someone 6'9" or taller, I'm happy.

Yep, PF is looking like Niang, Tillman, Minott. Walsh, Norris. I did warn the forum, Tillman

Hauser can play the 4 as well...JB too, depending on the matchup..also wouldn't surprise me if we occasionally go double bigs with Amari on the floor w/ either Garza or Queta..

We’ll have to use those sort of lineups kuz we don’t have a real answer. But it’s not ideal. Positionless and all, it’s just about having a skilled tall guy in the court. We lost Tatum and most likely Al-that’s an insane amount of tall skilled talent gone. Until JT is back, the position is weak, regardless of the fact that there are a few stopgaps.

[djFan71]

To be clear on the above, I don't hold out much hope for either Simons or Kuz long term. So, why not take the cheaper one ($5M less), get a 2nd or two, and free up more time at the guard/wing spot where we DO have long term prospects that we invested 1st round picks in.

If you think Simons is a possible, long term answer, I get that. Then you wouldn't trade for Kuz at that point.

Personally I want to see what Simons can do in Boston. I’m looking forward to having a guy who can get into the teeth of the defense and do both score and pass. The game is so much easier when you have a guard who can win with their first step. And since Stevens and Mazulla want to shoot a trillion threes we need guys who can make them.

There’s definitely appeal to that side of him. It’s just everything else that is scary. Portland fans have shed no tears about him leaving. Just about Jrue’s money, lol. But, If we keep him, I’ll hope like heck he can improve on the rest of his game in our environment. It would definitely be bucking the odds, though.

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Yep, PF is looking like Niang, Tillman, Minott. Walsh, Norris. I did warn the forum, Tillman

Hauser can play the 4 as well...JB too, depending on the matchup..also wouldn't surprise me if we occasionally go double bigs with Amari on the floor w/ either Garza or Queta..

We’ll have to use those sort of lineups kuz we don’t have a real answer. But it’s not ideal. Positionless and all, it’s just about having a skilled tall guy in the court. We lost Tatum and most likely Al-that’s an insane amount of tall skilled talent gone. Until JT is back, the position is weak, regardless of the fact that there are a few stopgaps.

Well yeah, but we're not really trying to win this year, so it doesn't matter that much, right?

This year is just about developing our young guys, load managing our vets. And slowly figuring out what the roster will look like in 26-27 when we'll be back in title contention..

[DarkAzcura]

Kind of bummed out we didn’t trade for Huff. I know some will be like “who”, but he is kind of perfect for the Celtics. Celtics haven’t been reliant on bigs for rebounding in a while, and he is a shot blocking + 3PT shooting machine. He made 1.3 3s a game and 1 block despite only playing ~12 minutes a game. He’s 7’1”. Would had been a good fit on this team/with Tatum (who is pretty much the reason why poor rebounding from our bigs hasn’t mattered for years now). Good move by the Pacers.

[djFan71]

Hauser can play the 4 as well...JB too, depending on the matchup..also wouldn't surprise me if we occasionally go double bigs with Amari on the floor w/ either Garza or Queta..

We’ll have to use those sort of lineups kuz we don’t have a real answer. But it’s not ideal. Positionless and all, it’s just about having a skilled tall guy in the court. We lost Tatum and most likely Al-that’s an insane amount of tall skilled talent gone. Until JT is back, the position is weak, regardless of the fact that there are a few stopgaps.

Well yeah, but we're not really trying to win this year, so it doesn't matter that much, right?

This year is just about developing our young guys, load managing our vets. And slowly figuring out what the roster will look like in 26-27 when we'll be back in title contention..

Exactly, but you were trying to do the “but we got Hauser and,,,,” thing rather than just let the “we’re weak at PF” statement stand.

[GoCeltics123]

Read on Twitter

This wait is either about retiring or the Nuggets, couldn't be anything else imo

[chrisab123]

Someone in here has probably mentioned it already but Simons for Claxton does make some sense

[brackdan70]

Someone in here has probably mentioned it already but Simons for Claxton does make some sense

It does. Claxton was bad last year country previous years though….maybe just a product of being on a tanking team.
I think Nets probably are asking more than we want to pay

[winsomme2]

Read on Twitter

This wait is either about retiring or the Nuggets, couldn't be anything else imo

What about waiting for Brad to free up money by making a trade?

[Fierce1]

https://hoopshype.com/rumor/3739847/

According to an NBA source, Lillard would consider signing with the Celtics, and the Celtics are indeed interested. A few years ago, Lillard wasn’t so keen on coming to Boston when the Trail Blazers were considering trading him. This time, however, he’s open to Boston and he has a close friendship with Tatum, as they played together on the 2020 Team USA in Tokyo.

[31to6]

Someone in here has probably mentioned it already but Simons for Claxton does make some sense

It does. Claxton was bad last year country previous years though….maybe just a product of being on a tanking team.
I think Nets probably are asking more than we want to pay

any traction with Simons for John Collins? Or is he going to sign an extension in Utah and that complicates things?
(I know this trade doesn't solve anything; just rebalances our height a bit)

[Jellybeans]

LOL we are in cap hell and now people want center who earns 25-20 mil for next 3 seasons and cant shoot
Twitter is even worse.
Like 80% of free agents or someone who would get traded is full of delusional Boston fans and keep saying we want him.

[RickyDizzle]

Someone in here has probably mentioned it already but Simons for Claxton does make some sense

It does. Claxton was bad last year country previous years though….maybe just a product of being on a tanking team.
I think Nets probably are asking more than we want to pay

any traction with Simons for John Collins? Or is he going to sign an extension in Utah and that complicates things?
(I know this trade doesn't solve anything; just rebalances our height a bit)

I think thats more of an idea, rather than a trade thats being talked about. I kind of like it though. Simons is the better player, but Collins balances the roster better. Collins males a million bucks less too.

You could wrap it into the Portland trade to do Tillman and Simons for John Collins. Gets us a roster spot.

The other Utah trade that works is Hauser and Tilman for Walker Kessler. Jazz take Hauser into their MLE. Cs probably need to throw in draft capital.