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[brackdan70]

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The irony that the guy saying this is one of the most underpaid in the league.

It's not soft, it's smart to recognise you should get paid as much as possible for the brief time you are an NBA player. Numbers equate to pay.

BBREF has been tracking heaves separately for years. I imagine that teams are smart enough to do this too.

Yep. If you avoid a heave because you are worried about your percentage you are soft..like Pritchard said. It’s vanity.

[ReggiesKnicks]

The irony that the guy saying this is one of the most underpaid in the league.

It's not soft, it's smart to recognise you should get paid as much as possible for the brief time you are an NBA player. Numbers equate to pay.

BBREF has been tracking heaves separately for years. I imagine that teams are smart enough to do this too.

Yep. If you avoid a heave because you are worried about your percentage you are soft..like Pritchard said. It’s vanity.

None of this is even relevant.

Jokic led the NBA in heaves at 22. Next highest was 12, then 10, then most players had 2-4.

Most players who attempt heaves have > 300 3PA. Most players who we care about shooting the 3 have over 300 3PA and the volume is actually meaningful.

The difference is going to be less than a percentage point for these players.

Teams aren't using basketball-reference to assess players.

This is definitely peak off-season content though

Fake trades? How about a 20-30 post discussion about how 2-4 3PA are going to be calculated differently

[YayBasketball]

Interesting idea from a Pelicans reporter dude. https://intheno.substack.com/p/damn-the-torpedoes?publication_id=1670094&isFreemail=true&triedRedirect=true

Basically, with the 2026 1st out the door and ready to win now, he suggests doubling down on a win-now (and future) roster, upgrading from Missi to Kessler while offloading Murray's deal (for Collins) in order to extend Kessler 5/$125m.

Missi + Murray + 2030 NOP 1st unprotected ( + a swap could/should be added to get the deal through)
for
Kessler + Collins

He also adds an optional Hawkins for Cody Williams swap if Jazz are low on him and would rather a flier on Hawkins, while also noting an additional pick swap would likely be required, too.

Thoughts? Enough for Kessler + eating Murray's deal? Better as a 3 way trade?

[zimpy27]

Interesting idea from a Pelicans reporter dude. https://intheno.substack.com/p/damn-the-torpedoes?publication_id=1670094&isFreemail=true&triedRedirect=true

Basically, with the 2026 1st out the door and ready to win now, he suggests doubling down on a win-now (and future) roster, upgrading from Missi to Kessler while offloading Murray's deal (for Collins) in order to extend Kessler 5/$125m.

Missi + Murray + 2030 NOP 1st unprotected ( + a swap could/should be added to get the deal through)
for
Kessler + Collins

He also adds an optional Hawkins for Cody Williams swap if Jazz are low on him and would rather a flier on Hawkins, while also noting an additional pick swap would likely be required, too.

Thoughts? Enough for Kessler + eating Murray's deal? Better as a 3 way trade?

Good gamble for Jazz. I like it.

[Astaluego]

Micic+ Kuzma for Dejonte Murray

NOP gets rid of future money, while making room for Fears and getting a forward to cover for Zion's foreseeable absences. The Bucks take a chance that Murray can return to a decent level (he's still young enough) and could form a dangerous team. If they get the Beal deal, they'll be a contender.

[Mavrelous]

Micic+ Kuzma for Dejonte Murray

NOP gets rid of future money, while making room for Fears and getting a forward to cover for Zion's foreseeable absences. The Bucks take a chance that Murray can return to a decent level (he's still young enough) and could form a dangerous team. If they get the Beal deal, they'll be a contender.

Micic will be bought out, waived and stretched to make room for the Turner signing, he can't be used as matching salary.
They need only 3M, but Bucks don't have that to match...

[SkyHook]

Interesting idea from a Pelicans reporter dude. https://intheno.substack.com/p/damn-the-torpedoes?publication_id=1670094&isFreemail=true&triedRedirect=true

Basically, with the 2026 1st out the door and ready to win now, he suggests doubling down on a win-now (and future) roster, upgrading from Missi to Kessler while offloading Murray's deal (for Collins) in order to extend Kessler 5/$125m.

Missi + Murray + 2030 NOP 1st unprotected ( + a swap could/should be added to get the deal through)
for
Kessler + Collins

He also adds an optional Hawkins for Cody Williams swap if Jazz are low on him and would rather a flier on Hawkins, while also noting an additional pick swap would likely be required, too.

Thoughts? Enough for Kessler + eating Murray's deal? Better as a 3 way trade?

I'd pass on this for Utah. Dua calls this an overpay, but I don't see that here at all.

[YayBasketball]

I'd pass on this for Utah. Dua calls this an overpay, but I don't see that here at all.

Right, I can see that viewpoint from Jazz fans. That was my honest reaction, too. Seems like Murray for a playable expiring (at this point while he's in recovery, due back in January) should cost about a first or a swap, at least. Then Kessler probably worth a first and decent prospect. Although I guess this kind of future unprotected 1st from the Pelicans is better than other potential offers from more obvious contending teams.

What alterations would you make to the overall framework? That's a much more interesting discussion than a flat 'no.'

Maybe simplifying the trade:
Missi + ___? pick for Kessler. Then Pels can deal with the Murray issue later on in a separate deal.

[DirtyDez]

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[SkyHook]

I'd pass on this for Utah. Dua calls this an overpay, but I don't see that here at all.

Right, I can see that viewpoint from Jazz fans. That was my honest reaction, too. Seems like Murray for a playable expiring (at this point while he's in recovery, due back in January) should cost about a first or a swap, at least. Then Kessler probably worth a first and decent prospect. Although I guess this kind of future unprotected 1st from the Pelicans is better than other potential offers from more obvious contending teams.

What alterations would you make to the overall framework? That's a much more interesting discussion than a flat 'no.'

Maybe simplifying the trade:
Missi + ___? pick for Kessler. Then Pels can deal with the Murray issue later on in a separate deal.

I have zero desire to move Kessler period, but if the Pels truly wanted to acquire him, the time to have done it was at the draft by offering the package they gave up for #13 to start.

[K_chile22]

Where is my Kevin Durant is a rocket tweet I'm getting impatient, the moratorium is over

[ReggiesKnicks]

The teams are Rockets, Suns, Lakers, Wolves, Hawks, Nets, Warriors

I think it involves Kuminga moving. So I think it is new.

Nah...I mean NAW!

Wolves traded up with Lakers
Suns traded up with Warriors
Suns traded up with Nets
Suns traded up with Wolves

Suns traded KD to Houston

NAW S+T to Hawks

That covers all 7 teams

You think it's just pick trades? But those players have already reported to those teams, I thought they were official. Can you do pick trades with SnT? I thought you couldn't.

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PHX: Jalen Green, Dillon Brooks, Khaman Maluach, Rasheer Fleming, Koby Brea, Daeqwon Plowden, 2nd

HOU: Kevin Durant, Clint Capela

BKN: 2 2nds

GSW: Alex Toohey, Jahmai Mashack

ATL: 2nd swap, David Roddy, cash

LAL: Adou Thiero

MIN: Rocco Zikarsky, 2 2nds, cash

[MoneyTalks41890]

How much does Beal have to give back for the Suns to get under the 15% stretched dead salary limit?

Looks like it’s only a couple million or so per year.

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[drosestruts]

How do being a team over the first apron affect sign and trade options?

Could there be some three-team trade between the Bulls, Celtics, and Warriors that:

- sends Horford to Golden State

- sends Vuc to Boston

- sends Hauser and Kuminga to Chicago

[brackdan70]

How do being a team over the first apron affect sign and trade options?

Could there be some three-team trade between the Bulls, Celtics, and Warriors that:

- sends Horford to Golden State

- sends Vuc to Boston

- sends Hauser and Kuminga to Chicago

If you receive a player via sign and trade you are hard capped at the first apron.

[drosestruts]

How do being a team over the first apron affect sign and trade options?

Could there be some three-team trade between the Bulls, Celtics, and Warriors that:

- sends Horford to Golden State

- sends Vuc to Boston

- sends Hauser and Kuminga to Chicago

If you receive a player via sign and trade you are hard capped at the first apron.

No other restricitons? In this scenario the Celtic would only be acquiring Vucevic who is currently under contact, they would be sending a player via sign and trade (Horford), and another under contratc in Hauser.

Gives the Celtics a stop-gap center and opens up more future money due to Vuc's expiring contract.

[youngcrev]

How much does Beal have to give back for the Suns to get under the 15% stretched dead salary limit?

Looks like it’s only a couple million or so per year.

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Like 12M or so. I think

[DirtyDez]

How much does Beal have to give back for the Suns to get under the 15% stretched dead salary limit?

Looks like it’s only a couple million or so per year.

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Like 12M or so. I think

Somewhere around $14m I believe. Which I ironically the mid-exception that many teams can sign him for. So he wouldn’t be losing money.

[zimpy27]

How much does Beal have to give back for the Suns to get under the 15% stretched dead salary limit?

Looks like it’s only a couple million or so per year.

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Like 12M or so. I think

Somewhere around $14m I believe. Which I ironically the mid-exception that many teams can sign him for. So he wouldn’t be losing money.

That's $14m over 2 years.

So yeah $7m per season is all he needs to make back. The TaxMLE would mostly cover it.

I think GSW will make a strong play for him and it's holding up their Kuminga aand Horford plans.

[DirtyDez]

Like 12M or so. I think

Somewhere around $14m I believe. Which I ironically the mid-exception that many teams can sign him for. So he wouldn’t be losing money.

That's $14m over 2 years.

So yeah $7m per season is all he needs to make back. The TaxMLE would mostly cover it.

I think GSW will make a strong play for him and it's holding up their Kuminga aand Horford plans.

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