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Post#521 » by Mattatron » Sun Jul 6, 2025 8:15 am

Los_29 wrote:
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Los_29 wrote:
I’m not saying Gradey can return a FRP. The point is I don’t think the team would give up on him after two seasons. He’s shown enough flashes that a team would want to hold onto him. It’s very rare for a team to give up on a player after two years. When that happens it basically means you stink and they see no future. You’re lying to yourself if you think Whitmore is some kind of hidden gem. Houston is actually trying to compete as well so if Whitmore was any good they most certainly wouldn’t be trading him for a 2nd round pick.

The 3rd pick is more like a late lottery pick in a normal draft. The draft was awful. Tari Eason had no problem getting consistent minutes. Ime plays you if you are good. RJ would get minutes there too.

RJ does have value as a player. The issue is making contracts work in a cap tight environment. Players who are worse than RJ and have worse contracts are getting traded and they are getting traded for good NBA players. Your opinion of RJ is simply not grounded in reality and I’m far from an RJ fan.


We wouldn’t because we’re a bad team. For the rockets who are probably a top 5 team in the league? If you can move off someone you aren’t going to play, you do that. Especially if the guy wants to be traded.

When I say RJ doesn’t have value, I mean that nobody is going to give up a first for him nor give us anything of value for him. He got SALARY DUMPED for OG. I repeat, he got SALARY DUMPED.
The players who are “worse” than RJ are getting traded because the team has to attach something to get them traded. That’s the whole point of being a negative asset. You have to attach something to make a team incentivized to accept that player. That’s essentially what RJ is.


If he was good he would play. The Rockets did everything in their power to make sure there are no minutes for him because he’s a bad basketball player. Traded for KD, signed DFS, re-signed Fred. They basically don’t want this guy sniffing the court and if he was any good the Rockets would love to play him because he’s cheap and they could use that money elsewhere.

And you keep saying he got salary dumped and it’s actually starting to get embarrassing. Not to mention disingenuous.

Knicks originally offered FRPs. They wanted to retain RJ. One NBA insider according to an article in SI stated “The Knicks were originally hoping to hold onto Barrett and use their deep stash of first-round picks to get Anunoby.”

It was the Raptors that insisted on getting young, ready to contribute players and not draft picks.

What did the Wizards trade to get out of Poole’s contract? CJ’s contract expires at the end of the year. RJ is making 27 million a year for the next two seasons and he’s a solid player.

sbsat wrote:This board said every team was stupid for passing on whitmore. Now houston has given up on him. Stop coping maybe he wasnt as good as u thought he was


I love the pivot though. Now it’s because Houston is just too deep. As if NBA teams aren’t interested in cheap, controllable talent on rookie contracts. lol.



Dude, you're so embarrassing.
The Knicks offered washed Masai Picks in the beginning of the 2023. In a season where Masai was still in Win-Now Mode and traded for Poeltl for a Playoff Push. So he was not interested in any Trades.

After he failed. Again. He traded OG finally (end of 2023) with 6 months left on his Contract, and the price was not that spectacular anymore, RJ as a Salary Dump and IQ was the Player MU was eyeing. And it didn't hurt that a Canadian is coming back in RJ so that maybe masks his failing in the trade and people embrace RJ and seeing it as a fleece.

You mixing up two things in the hope no one will get it.

JANUARY 27, 2023

Knicks reportedly offered multiple first-round picks for OG Anunoby, got nowhere
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Published January 27, 2023 08:36 AM

What are the Toronto Raptors going to do at the trade deadline?

It’s less than two weeks before the trade deadline and the entire NBA is still asking that question, the Raptors are the one team that could turn this trade deadline from a dud to epic if they decide to pivot toward a rebuild. Are they willing to trade players like OG Anunoby or Pascal Siakam, or will they look to add a more traditional big man such as the Spurs’ Jakob Poeltl, who has been linked to the Raptors in rumors? Everything seems to be on the table.

Anunoby is a player a lot of teams covet, including New York. The Knicks reached out to the Raptors, reports Ian Begley of SNY.TV.

“And Anunoby with Toronto, I mean, that would cost you a lot. That would cost you significant draft compensation. Maybe the Knicks are there, maybe they’re feeling like they could make the playoffs and make a big push if you added in Anunoby. I know that we reported they contacted Toronto on Anunoby and I was told in that conversation they offered multiple firsts. But this was a while back... Toronto has done a lot since then. But I don’t think the league is crystal clear on what [the Raptors] want to do on Anunoby.”

MASAI FUMBLED THE BAG. RJ WAS THE SALARY DUMP. HE DECLINED A GOOD OFFER WITH "YOUNG PLAYERS"/PICKS, BECAUSE HE WANTED TO COMPETE AND MADE THAT TRADE FOR YAK. HE FAILED, HE ACCEPTED, CALLED KNICKS AGAIN, AND GOT FLEECED BIG TIME.


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Post#522 » by Los_29 » Sun Jul 6, 2025 9:48 am

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We wouldn’t because we’re a bad team. For the rockets who are probably a top 5 team in the league? If you can move off someone you aren’t going to play, you do that. Especially if the guy wants to be traded.

When I say RJ doesn’t have value, I mean that nobody is going to give up a first for him nor give us anything of value for him. He got SALARY DUMPED for OG. I repeat, he got SALARY DUMPED.
The players who are “worse” than RJ are getting traded because the team has to attach something to get them traded. That’s the whole point of being a negative asset. You have to attach something to make a team incentivized to accept that player. That’s essentially what RJ is.


If he was good he would play. The Rockets did everything in their power to make sure there are no minutes for him because he’s a bad basketball player. Traded for KD, signed DFS, re-signed Fred. They basically don’t want this guy sniffing the court and if he was any good the Rockets would love to play him because he’s cheap and they could use that money elsewhere.

And you keep saying he got salary dumped and it’s actually starting to get embarrassing. Not to mention disingenuous.

Knicks originally offered FRPs. They wanted to retain RJ. One NBA insider according to an article in SI stated “The Knicks were originally hoping to hold onto Barrett and use their deep stash of first-round picks to get Anunoby.”

It was the Raptors that insisted on getting young, ready to contribute players and not draft picks.

What did the Wizards trade to get out of Poole’s contract? CJ’s contract expires at the end of the year. RJ is making 27 million a year for the next two seasons and he’s a solid player.

sbsat wrote:This board said every team was stupid for passing on whitmore. Now houston has given up on him. Stop coping maybe he wasnt as good as u thought he was


I love the pivot though. Now it’s because Houston is just too deep. As if NBA teams aren’t interested in cheap, controllable talent on rookie contracts. lol.



Dude, you're so embarrassing.
The Knicks offered washed Masai Picks in the beginning of the 2023. In a season where Masai was still in Win-Now Mode and traded for Poeltl for a Playoff Push. So he was not interested in any Trades.

After he failed. Again. He traded OG finally (end of 2023) with 6 months left on his Contract, and the price was not that spectacular anymore, RJ as a Salary Dump and IQ was the Player MU was eyeing. And it didn't hurt that a Canadian is coming back in RJ so that maybe masks his failing in the trade and people embrace RJ and seeing it as a fleece.

You mixing up two things in the hope no one will get it.

JANUARY 27, 2023

Knicks reportedly offered multiple first-round picks for OG Anunoby, got nowhere
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Published January 27, 2023 08:36 AM

What are the Toronto Raptors going to do at the trade deadline?

It’s less than two weeks before the trade deadline and the entire NBA is still asking that question, the Raptors are the one team that could turn this trade deadline from a dud to epic if they decide to pivot toward a rebuild. Are they willing to trade players like OG Anunoby or Pascal Siakam, or will they look to add a more traditional big man such as the Spurs’ Jakob Poeltl, who has been linked to the Raptors in rumors? Everything seems to be on the table.

Anunoby is a player a lot of teams covet, including New York. The Knicks reached out to the Raptors, reports Ian Begley of SNY.TV.

“And Anunoby with Toronto, I mean, that would cost you a lot. That would cost you significant draft compensation. Maybe the Knicks are there, maybe they’re feeling like they could make the playoffs and make a big push if you added in Anunoby. I know that we reported they contacted Toronto on Anunoby and I was told in that conversation they offered multiple firsts. But this was a while back... Toronto has done a lot since then. But I don’t think the league is crystal clear on what [the Raptors] want to do on Anunoby.”

MASAI FUMBLED THE BAG. RJ WAS THE SALARY DUMP. HE DECLINED A GOOD OFFER WITH "YOUNG PLAYERS"/PICKS, BECAUSE HE WANTED TO COMPETE AND MADE THAT TRADE FOR YAK. HE FAILED, HE ACCEPTED, CALLED KNICKS AGAIN, AND GOT FLEECED BIG TIME.


HEARD LEON RAISED HIS VOICE LIKE: "YESTERDAYS PRICE IS NOT TODAYS PRICE!"


Oh how I’ve missed your incoherent rants. Love the caps lock at the end. Keep raging.

Masai didn’t want picks, he wanted players, young players. Knicks wanted to give up picks as opposed to players. And you know why? Because their picks stunk.

The Nets have already used two of those picks from the Bridges trade. Guess where they were? 19th and 26th. Do you see the Knicks being bad in the next couple of years. Nets essentially traded Mikal Bridges for 5 picks in the 20s.

I love how a year and a half ago some were salivating over Whitmore’s game. They were completely blinded by his dunks and ignored the fact that he can’t play team basketball. Now he’s being shipped out after two years by a team that would love to have his cheap, controllable salary if he was even half decent.
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Post#523 » by TGM » Sun Jul 6, 2025 12:01 pm

To be honest if Whitmore was such a sought after asset pretty sure he would have been sent to Phoenix.

Whitmore is not a chump but he is mid tier talent. That is abundant I. The NBA and the reason why Simons, RJ don’t command a lot of value.

The nba is now about tier 1 players. High upside rookies and guys with two way games. So mid tier guys need to be on great contracts.

The fact that Houston rather keep Eason over Whitmore. tells you a lot.

Dick I do think is the better player.
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Post#524 » by YogurtProducer » Sun Jul 6, 2025 12:33 pm

Mattatron wrote:That Whitemore slander is ridiculous. Every poster he say you pick BPA in the draft. Now that's the problem, he simply didn't fit Houston with his skill or system, especially after the KD trade. They needed other pieces. Sometimes it's wise to pick after skill and what will help you to get forward. U don't pick blindly and than worry about it later like some poster say when we picked CMB. And if you trade them after 2 years doesn't mean they're bad. You just realized you picked wrong. Whitmore is scorer, not with a high floor or ceiling, but still could he useful in the future, definitely as a microwave from the bench.

RJ is utterly trash. He got dumped, and posters here celebrated that MU fleeced the Knicks again. Lmaooo
And the Knicks traded 5 picks for Mikal while he couldn't get even one.
Dick don't have any positive value just like RJ and IQ too.

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Post#525 » by Gavin_TDThree » Sun Jul 6, 2025 12:54 pm

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Gavin_TDThree wrote:Giddey apparently wants $30per.

Would you guys S&T Giddey for RJ?

I wouldn’t want to pay either guy 30 million. In theory RJ is more likely to guard his position though. I think I prefer RJ slightly.


Giddy and Barnes seems like a disaster pairing lol.


Yeah I don’t love that price for either of them overly. I was just thinking in a vacuum who fits our team better.

JD lets IQ play off ball a bit more. He’s also 6’8 which gives some guard size. Improved outside shooter this year
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Post#526 » by Duffman100 » Sun Jul 6, 2025 12:55 pm

So bizarre that people tend to either underrate our players and overate other teams. Or the opposite way around.

Whitmore is okay. Good get for the wizards but obviously given away for 2nd round picks for a reason.
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Post#527 » by Los_29 » Sun Jul 6, 2025 12:55 pm

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Mattatron wrote:That Whitemore slander is ridiculous. Every poster he say you pick BPA in the draft. Now that's the problem, he simply didn't fit Houston with his skill or system, especially after the KD trade. They needed other pieces. Sometimes it's wise to pick after skill and what will help you to get forward. U don't pick blindly and than worry about it later like some poster say when we picked CMB. And if you trade them after 2 years doesn't mean they're bad. You just realized you picked wrong. Whitmore is scorer, not with a high floor or ceiling, but still could he useful in the future, definitely as a microwave from the bench.

RJ is utterly trash. He got dumped, and posters here celebrated that MU fleeced the Knicks again. Lmaooo
And the Knicks traded 5 picks for Mikal while he couldn't get even one.
Dick don't have any positive value just like RJ and IQ too.

BPA =/= guy who shoots a lot


On bad efficiency with no secondary skills.
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Post#528 » by WuTang_OG » Sun Jul 6, 2025 1:06 pm

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Post#529 » by Kingsway_fan » Sun Jul 6, 2025 1:53 pm

I see a lot of critics of RJ Bennett, but one observation i feel worth noting for this coming season. With the addition of INGRAM AT SF, RJ will finally play at SG... a position where he can utilize his height better, imo... so I think he will be more impactful this season. The starting lineup will have more height as well.

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Post#530 » by Raptors Realtor » Sun Jul 6, 2025 2:04 pm

YogurtProducer wrote:
Mattatron wrote:That Whitemore slander is ridiculous. Every poster he say you pick BPA in the draft. Now that's the problem, he simply didn't fit Houston with his skill or system, especially after the KD trade. They needed other pieces. Sometimes it's wise to pick after skill and what will help you to get forward. U don't pick blindly and than worry about it later like some poster say when we picked CMB. And if you trade them after 2 years doesn't mean they're bad. You just realized you picked wrong. Whitmore is scorer, not with a high floor or ceiling, but still could he useful in the future, definitely as a microwave from the bench.

RJ is utterly trash. He got dumped, and posters here celebrated that MU fleeced the Knicks again. Lmaooo
And the Knicks traded 5 picks for Mikal while he couldn't get even one.
Dick don't have any positive value just like RJ and IQ too.

BPA =/= guy who shoots a lot


Reading that Mattatron poster's posts over the past few weeks is "utterly" exhausting, all the guy does is complain about our players and hype up the moves and players of other teams.
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Post#531 » by Tor_Raps » Sun Jul 6, 2025 2:57 pm

Duffman100 wrote:So bizarre that people tend to either underrate our players and overate other teams. Or the opposite way around.

Whitmore is okay. Good get for the wizards but obviously given away for 2nd round picks for a reason.


Based on that logic, Ingram was given away for scrubs and one 1st round pick for a reason...

Hope you realize trades dont work that way and youre able to steal value at times. Reports already came out that the Rockets accepted less to give Whitmore a better chance to explode...
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Post#532 » by JB7 » Sun Jul 6, 2025 3:13 pm

Tor_Raps wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:So bizarre that people tend to either underrate our players and overate other teams. Or the opposite way around.

Whitmore is okay. Good get for the wizards but obviously given away for 2nd round picks for a reason.


Based on that logic, Ingram was given away for scrubs and one 1st round pick for a reason...

Hope you realize trades dont work that way and youre able to steal value at times. Reports already came out that the Rockets accepted less to give Whitmore a better chance to explode...


Whitmore still has 2 years left on his rookie deal. That is telling they traded him while he was still cheap.

Ingram was due for an extension that he refused to sign with the Pelicans unless they gave him more than they were offering. Choice for the Pelicans was trade him or lose him in FA. So his value was low, because it was almost the equivalent of a FA signing.
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Post#533 » by JB7 » Sun Jul 6, 2025 3:19 pm

Kingsway_fan wrote:I see a lot of critics of RJ Bennett, but one observation i feel worth noting for this coming season. With the addition of INGRAM AT SF, RJ will finally play at SG... a position where he can utilize his height better, imo... so I think he will be more impactful this season. The starting lineup will have more height as well.

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Hopefully, RJ can go back to the role he had when he first joined the Raps, where he limited his shots to high efficiency shots. Open 3’s and drives to the basket. His ability to get to the basket will be huge for Ingram, who is probably more of a jump shooter at this stage.

And the RJ and BI pairing could be interesting. Other than the starting lineup (Yak, Barnes, BI, RJ & IQ), I could see two other units. One led by BI & RJ and another led by Barnes, IQ & Yak.
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Post#534 » by Tor_Raps » Sun Jul 6, 2025 3:25 pm

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Tor_Raps wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:So bizarre that people tend to either underrate our players and overate other teams. Or the opposite way around.

Whitmore is okay. Good get for the wizards but obviously given away for 2nd round picks for a reason.


Based on that logic, Ingram was given away for scrubs and one 1st round pick for a reason...

Hope you realize trades dont work that way and youre able to steal value at times. Reports already came out that the Rockets accepted less to give Whitmore a better chance to explode...


Whitmore still has 2 years left on his rookie deal. That is telling they traded him while he was still cheap.

Ingram was due for an extension that he refused to sign with the Pelicans unless they gave him more than they were offering. Choice for the Pelicans was trade him or lose him in FA. So his value was low, because it was almost the equivalent of a FA signing.


Yes, I understand the reasoning on how we got Ingram. Not sure why you and others cant understand the reasoning why Whitmore got traded as well. Sometimes teams do right by the player like when we traded the GROAT Lowry for Precious lol.

Whitmore is behind Durant/Eason/Jabari/Sengun/Thompson on the depth charts not because he sucks, its because the Rockets have elite talent that can play the SF/PF. So rather than benching him, they gave him up for less than his true value to a team where he could play and potentially earn a bigger contract.
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Post#535 » by AkelaLoneWolf » Sun Jul 6, 2025 3:30 pm

Tor_Raps wrote:
JB7 wrote:
Tor_Raps wrote:
Based on that logic, Ingram was given away for scrubs and one 1st round pick for a reason...

Hope you realize trades dont work that way and youre able to steal value at times. Reports already came out that the Rockets accepted less to give Whitmore a better chance to explode...


Whitmore still has 2 years left on his rookie deal. That is telling they traded him while he was still cheap.

Ingram was due for an extension that he refused to sign with the Pelicans unless they gave him more than they were offering. Choice for the Pelicans was trade him or lose him in FA. So his value was low, because it was almost the equivalent of a FA signing.


Yes, I understand the reasoning on how we got Ingram. Not sure why you and others cant understand the reasoning why Whitmore got traded as well. Sometimes teams do right by the player like when we traded the GROAT Lowry for Precious lol.

Whitmore is behind Durant/Eason/Jabari/Sengun/Thompson on the depth charts not because he sucks, its because the Rockets have elite talent that can play the SF/PF. So rather than benching him, they gave him up for less than his true value to a team where he could play and potentially earn a bigger contract.

Yes the generosity and kindness of the Rockets knows no bounds.
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Post#536 » by Los_29 » Sun Jul 6, 2025 3:44 pm

Tor_Raps wrote:
JB7 wrote:
Tor_Raps wrote:
Based on that logic, Ingram was given away for scrubs and one 1st round pick for a reason...

Hope you realize trades dont work that way and youre able to steal value at times. Reports already came out that the Rockets accepted less to give Whitmore a better chance to explode...


Whitmore still has 2 years left on his rookie deal. That is telling they traded him while he was still cheap.

Ingram was due for an extension that he refused to sign with the Pelicans unless they gave him more than they were offering. Choice for the Pelicans was trade him or lose him in FA. So his value was low, because it was almost the equivalent of a FA signing.


Yes, I understand the reasoning on how we got Ingram. Not sure why you and others cant understand the reasoning why Whitmore got traded as well. Sometimes teams do right by the player like when we traded the GROAT Lowry for Precious lol.

Whitmore is behind Durant/Eason/Jabari/Sengun/Thompson on the depth charts not because he sucks, its because the Rockets have elite talent that can play the SF/PF. So rather than benching him, they gave him up for less than his true value to a team where he could play and potentially earn a bigger contract.


Kyle was a free agent. Rockets had this guy locked up for two more years.

The reality is if Cam Whitmore was any good he wouldn’t have been dealt. A cheap, controllable player that can play is worth a lot in today’s NBA. You don’t trade that away if the guy can play.
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Post#537 » by Tor_Raps » Sun Jul 6, 2025 3:52 pm

AkelaLoneWolf wrote:
Tor_Raps wrote:
JB7 wrote:
Whitmore still has 2 years left on his rookie deal. That is telling they traded him while he was still cheap.

Ingram was due for an extension that he refused to sign with the Pelicans unless they gave him more than they were offering. Choice for the Pelicans was trade him or lose him in FA. So his value was low, because it was almost the equivalent of a FA signing.


Yes, I understand the reasoning on how we got Ingram. Not sure why you and others cant understand the reasoning why Whitmore got traded as well. Sometimes teams do right by the player like when we traded the GROAT Lowry for Precious lol.

Whitmore is behind Durant/Eason/Jabari/Sengun/Thompson on the depth charts not because he sucks, its because the Rockets have elite talent that can play the SF/PF. So rather than benching him, they gave him up for less than his true value to a team where he could play and potentially earn a bigger contract.

Yes the generosity and kindness of the Rockets knows no bounds.


This holds true for the Raptors who have given away Lowry/Fred/Norm/OG/Siakam to other teams for cents on the dollar or even free lol.
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Post#538 » by Duffman100 » Sun Jul 6, 2025 3:54 pm

Tor_Raps wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:So bizarre that people tend to either underrate our players and overate other teams. Or the opposite way around.

Whitmore is okay. Good get for the wizards but obviously given away for 2nd round picks for a reason.


Based on that logic, Ingram was given away for scrubs and one 1st round pick for a reason...

Hope you realize trades dont work that way and youre able to steal value at times. Reports already came out that the Rockets accepted less to give Whitmore a better chance to explode...


Of course Ingram was. He's injury prone and was due for a big contract.

Of course you can steal value. But the market also decides the value. If Whitmore was this untapped stud, Rockets would have got more. This whole "we're doing right by the player" is likely overblown.

It was probably a mix of try and find the best spot plus this was the relative value
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Post#539 » by Dalek » Sun Jul 6, 2025 4:02 pm

Maybe, just maybe, Cam Whitmore the guy who told other teams not to draft him had his agency force a trade to his hometown team. He is from Maryland.
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On the flipside the Rockets are a championship contender and probably chose to have defense first team guy like Jae'Sean Tate over a potential malcontent.

The return was bad, but teams like Houston and OKC are going to lose assets like this because players are not going to wait forever. This is why Toronto should manage its cap and roster better to be able to pounce on good opportunities.

I don't even remember what Charlotte gave up to get Tre Johnson but that was a steal as well. OKC and Topic will be a decision for them in time as well.
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Post#540 » by bape_lovers » Sun Jul 6, 2025 4:04 pm

but you just said you will take Cam Whitemore which is according to you, "low risk, high reward". RJ has a contract that was given because of his skills, yet Cam Whitemore was traded for two 2nd round picks.

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Never understood the RJ love. Volume numbers, low impact, something team compete hates.
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