The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #4 Free Agency Opens!

[Slim Charless]

HERE WE GO

Not sure how to handle so much excitement. Getting Beal and now getting rid of him is amongst peak moments of being a Suns fan. This FO knows what they are doing.

You forgot the green font.

[Saberestar]

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So basically we got two SRP when you include the Williams trade?

Yeah.

We got for KD:

Jalen Green, Dillon Brooks, #10 and 6 2nds.

We used 5 of those 2nds to get Fleming and Brea.

[TeamTragic]

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So basically we got two SRP when you include the Williams trade?

Yeah.

We got for KD:

Jalen Green, Dillon Brooks, #10 and 6 2nds.

We used 5 of those 2nds to get Fleming and Brea.

You have to give this new FO credit for reloading around Book.

Not being able to tank due to not owning all our picks might actually be a blessing.

[Saberestar]

Ok, I found that Plowden is on a two-way contract for 2025/26.

He will be part of the Summer Suns. Good.

Edit: Waived by the Suns.

[Sunsdeuce]

We have convinced ourselves this is a good “reload” “around Booker”. Good lawd, our standards are so low now.

[Sunsdeuce]

Per John Hollinger

Hawks had to send out Plowden to Phx because something had to "touch" Suns to meet multi-team trade rules, and Plowden's 2w was least valuable thing they had. Rockets sent them back to Roddy 2w to offset it

[BobbieL]

We have convinced ourselves this is a good “reload” “around Booker”. Good lawd, our standards are so low now.

Ask me after we see what happens with the Beal situation but with ishbia - I don’t have faith. I like Maulauch and Flemings. Williams might be nice but if it means stretching Beal - it’s stupid. There was 23m of easy cap space to closer to apron levels .

[Sunsdeuce]

We have convinced ourselves this is a good “reload” “around Booker”. Good lawd, our standards are so low now.

Ask me after we see what happens with the Beal situation but with ishbia - I don’t have faith. I like Maulauch and Flemings. Williams might be nice but if it means stretching Beal - it’s stupid. There was 23m of easy cap space to closer to apron levels .

I know people around here are convinced this was very well planned and well thought out but I just don’t see it after digging deeper.

Suns knew there was a possibility Malauch could fall to them hence why they are talking to Rich Paul. But then traded away for Williams who failed a physical the year prior and hasn’t played over 45 games in a year. They used their 29th pick (and a future 1st)to trade for him when they could have just kept the 29th pick and selected Fleming. Instead of waiting to see how the draft played out first, they over played their hand to (over)trade for Williams. Then wasted their second night wasting more draft picks to move back up to get Fleming. This is, not a formula to success any other GM in the league would do.

Then regarding the KD trade, they ended up with a Booker clone in Green. (which by the way was the biggest flaw of this team the last two years was this team had too many clones of Booker). Green was a no more than a salary dump for Houston. Green stats are super stagnant after 4 years in the league which is very concerning.

Now you are going to pair Booker and Green into the starting unit who have almost no court vision and Booker has proven he is NOT capable of elevating the players around him but decide to surround him with players that need someone to elevate them. Booker as full time PG is a known disaster AND the FO already talked about getting Booker out of the PG roll and put him back in the SG roll full time to allow him to flourish but they renig and put Booker back at PG.

There is no rhyme or rhythm to what this front office is doing. Now they are in cost cutting mode and foolishly trying to stretch Beal after foolishly trading for him (Ishbia hold yourself accountable since this is your mess and stop firing people for your failures, please).

I’m sorry I’m not buying what people are trying to sell (this is was a good off season).

[matt131]

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[TeamTragic]

We have convinced ourselves this is a good “reload” “around Booker”. Good lawd, our standards are so low now.

Ask me after we see what happens with the Beal situation but with ishbia - I don’t have faith. I like Maulauch and Flemings. Williams might be nice but if it means stretching Beal - it’s stupid. There was 23m of easy cap space to closer to apron levels .

I know people around here are convinced this was very well planned and well thought out but I just don’t see it after digging deeper.

Suns knew there was a possibility Malauch could fall to them hence why they are talking to Rich Paul. But then traded away for Williams who failed a physical the year prior and hasn’t played over 45 games in a year. They used their 29th pick (and a future 1st)to trade for him when they could have just kept the 29th pick and selected Fleming. Instead of waiting to see how the draft played out first, they over played their hand to (over)trade for Williams. Then wasted their second night wasting more draft picks to move back up to get Fleming. This is, not a formula to success any other GM in the league would do.

Then regarding the KD trade, they ended up with a Booker clone in Green. (which by the way was the biggest flaw of this team the last two years was this team had too many clones of Booker). Green was a no more than a salary dump for Houston. Green stats are super stagnant after 4 years in the league which is very concerning.

Now you are going to pair Booker and Green into the starting unit who have almost no court vision and Booker has proven he is NOT capable of elevating the players around him but decide to surround him with players that need someone to elevate them. Booker as full time PG is a known disaster AND the FO already talked about getting Booker out of the PG roll and put him back in the SG roll full time to allow him to flourish but they renig and put Booker back at PG.

There is no rhyme or rhythm to what this front office is doing. Now they are in cost cutting mode and foolishly trying to stretch Beal after foolishly trading for him (Ishbia hold yourself accountable since this is your mess and stop firing people for your failures, please).

I’m sorry I’m not buying what people are trying to sell (this is was a good off season).

Then feel free to leave and follow another team.

[matt131]

Booker has signed his extension according to Rankin

https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2025/07/06/devin-booker-signs-2-year-150-million-extension-phoenix-suns/84447717007/#

[TeamTragic]

Booker has signed his extension according to Rankin

https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2025/07/06/devin-booker-signs-2-year-150-million-extension-phoenix-suns/84447717007/#

Definitely expected. Congrats Book!

[Saberestar]

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Well...it was short lol.

[Djedefre]

We have convinced ourselves this is a good “reload” “around Booker”. Good lawd, our standards are so low now.

Very uninspiring set of moves, but when you think of it, not trading Booker is the main limiting factor. We all knew Durant alone won't fetch us anything substantial. This is still dysfunctional team with a hole at PG. I like Gillespie, but let's be real, he is not a starter.

Now we are waiting for the next idiotic and shortsighted move with Beal, to round out yet another year of refusing to accept the obvious - that this ship has sunk and full rebuild is a must.

[starbosa10]

We have convinced ourselves this is a good “reload” “around Booker”. Good lawd, our standards are so low now.

Very uninspiring set of moves, but when you think of it, not trading Booker is the main limiting factor. We all knew Durant alone won't fetch us anything substantial. This is still dysfunctional team with a hole at PG. I like Gillespie, but let's be real, he is not a starter.

Now we are waiting for the next idiotic and shortsighted move with Beal, to round out yet another year of refusing to accept the obvious - that this ship has sunk and full rebuild is a must.

Unfortunately with how spread out our picks are with swaps and all, even trading book wouldnt enable a traditional full rebuild. Houston only has 2027 and 2029. Other years are swapped to hell. Think 2031 is with the Jazz.

Jazz have out 2031 pick..it's not a swap. No need to do full rebuild now but we could try a 1 year one in 27 if we got that Houston pick back and would likely still have a decent pick in 29.

However, I think it's better to do a full rebuild anyway, even if you have late picks, because trying to cobble together journey men is a recipe for 11 seed ever year with no future, so would rather go young...so glad we have so far.

[Qwigglez]

If the Suns do end up letting go of Beal in one way or another, I think it's important to keep Royce O'Neal and Grayson Allen. Jalen Green operates a lot in the open floor and having capable three-point shooters will give him a reliable outlet pass. The Rockets were a bottom 10 team in 3P%, meanwhile the Suns were a top 3 team in 3P% with Grayson and Royce both shooting over 40%. Dillon Brooks was a hair under 40%.
I don't mind keeping Beal by the way, because he is also a good 3P shooter especially last season shooting close to 39% from 3. But I know the Suns want to get under the 2nd apron.

[Sunsdeuce]

We have convinced ourselves this is a good “reload” “around Booker”. Good lawd, our standards are so low now.

Very uninspiring set of moves, but when you think of it, not trading Booker is the main limiting factor. We all knew Durant alone won't fetch us anything substantial. This is still dysfunctional team with a hole at PG. I like Gillespie, but let's be real, he is not a starter.

Now we are waiting for the next idiotic and shortsighted move with Beal, to round out yet another year of refusing to accept the obvious - that this ship has sunk and full rebuild is a must.

Just wait till you know who reads your post and replies with “go find another team”. Remember, suns realgm forum is now a dictatorship where you are only allowed to support this front office regime with praise, if you criticize it, you should be deported from this forum.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[bigfoot]

We have convinced ourselves this is a good “reload” “around Booker”. Good lawd, our standards are so low now.

Ask me after we see what happens with the Beal situation but with ishbia - I don’t have faith. I like Maulauch and Flemings. Williams might be nice but if it means stretching Beal - it’s stupid. There was 23m of easy cap space to closer to apron levels .

I know people around here are convinced this was very well planned and well thought out but I just don’t see it after digging deeper.

Suns knew there was a possibility Malauch could fall to them hence why they are talking to Rich Paul. But then traded away for Williams who failed a physical the year prior and hasn’t played over 45 games in a year. They used their 29th pick (and a future 1st)to trade for him when they could have just kept the 29th pick and selected Fleming. Instead of waiting to see how the draft played out first, they over played their hand to (over)trade for Williams. Then wasted their second night wasting more draft picks to move back up to get Fleming. This is, not a formula to success any other GM in the league would do.

Then regarding the KD trade, they ended up with a Booker clone in Green. (which by the way was the biggest flaw of this team the last two years was this team had too many clones of Booker). Green was a no more than a salary dump for Houston. Green stats are super stagnant after 4 years in the league which is very concerning.

Now you are going to pair Booker and Green into the starting unit who have almost no court vision and Booker has proven he is NOT capable of elevating the players around him but decide to surround him with players that need someone to elevate them. Booker as full time PG is a known disaster AND the FO already talked about getting Booker out of the PG roll and put him back in the SG roll full time to allow him to flourish but they renig and put Booker back at PG.

There is no rhyme or rhythm to what this front office is doing. Now they are in cost cutting mode and foolishly trying to stretch Beal after foolishly trading for him (Ishbia hold yourself accountable since this is your mess and stop firing people for your failures, please).

I’m sorry I’m not buying what people are trying to sell (this is was a good off season).

Not a lot they could do about KD and the Houston offer. Other teams offered less than the #10 pick, Brooks, Green, and six 2nd rounders. Still a pretty good haul turning it into Green, Maluach, Fleming and Brea. So four young guys in exchange for KD.

Second, I believe Williams was working out in Phoenix with Richards and the Suns staff had a pretty good idea of his medical situation. The reason why I suggest this is that Williams twitter location said at the time of his trade "In the lab". Speculation sure but why "in the lab" when that is the name of the Suns training facility.