2025 Offseason Thread Vol.5

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Does Heat and Dame have mutual interest?

Dame/Beal yes to both. Talked to both on the 4th and confirmed with them myself. We are trying to team Bam/Lillard/Beal/Giannis together

[MettaWorldPanda]

Roster construction continues to be a major crutch for this team. I understand it's hard to get stars but atleast make the pieces make sense around Bam and Herro.

C Kelel Ware 7'1 C Kevin Love 6'8 (Are we really going into the season with cement footed undersized washed up Love as the only backup Center on the roster?)

PF Bam Adebayo 6'9 PF Nikola Jovic 6'10 PF Kyle Anderson 6'9 PF Keshad Johnson 6'6 (Really don't see a need for Anderson anymore with a healthy Jovic and we have a young Keshad as the third PF in the rotation. Knowing how ass backwards we view roster construction it feels like the FO and Spo are satisfied having the undersized Anderson and Johnson as the quasi backup Centers with the idea that Bam will continue to log Center minutes.

SF Andrew Wiggins 6'7 SF Jaime Jaquez Jr 6'6 SF Haywood Highsmith 6'5 SF Simone Fontecchio 6'7 (What are we even doing here with the SF spot with so many players clogging up the roster. Better off trading Wiggins here and allowing JJJ to get the starters role for the entire year to see what we truly have. If he fails we know it's time to move on next year. Need another scorer behind JJJ as Highsmith's skillset really doesn't belong here without a true star for him to play off of.

SG Tyler Herro 6'5 SG Pelle Larrson 6'5 (Truly a major roster construction hole here not having another true scorer behind Herro. Absolute mal practice to go into next year looking like this. Larrson has potential but he plays more like the role playing small forwards we currently have a major abundance of just looking above.

PG Davion Mitchell 6'1 PG Kasparas Jakucionouis 6'5 (No way we can go into next year once again with such little depth at the PG spot and having to rely on a 19 year old rookie. Does a disservice to Kaspar who technically should be having a red shirt year while he logs most of his minutes with the Skyforce learning the pace of the game and continuing to get stronger. Davion is better served as the energizer bunny coming off the bench. A real team is not relying on him as there starting PG. A place holder vet on a one year deal is desperately needed here to bring calm and also show Kasparas the ropes. Dru Smith will be on a two way so he can serve as the 3rd guard in spots throughout the year.

*PG Terry Rozier 6'2 (If we go into the year with Terry Rozier on this roster it just shows that the FO is completely out of touch. At very least he should just be bought out saving 2 million and opening up the valued roster spot)

[Beenie]

My stated position is that Miami knows what it's looking for better than you. What the hell does that have to do with Kuminga?

Okay, we're done here.

Bad faith engagements are pointless rabbit holes

I don't think you understand what a bad faith argument is. Me telling you that judging the front office based on one prospect that they didn't get is preposterous is NOT a bad faith argument. You telling us that because they didn't get him, you have the license to trash the front office is the very definition of a bad faith argument. You've been arguing in bad faith from the beginning because you're just looking for a reason to say they're wrong and you're right. At least own it.

You made a specific argument as to why you think Mia shouldn’t have pursued Whitmore

The same exact argument you made perfectly matches the player profile of Kuminga who mainstream reporters are linking to Mia

I asked if you hold the same views about Kuminga that you have on Whitmore to check if you are being consistent and you dodged the question.

Convo over

[insfo]

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So was Butler the bigger draw from him during those trade talks when he wanted to come to Miami badly? Still haven't lost hope on Bam's recruiting, since this is one of those instances where the FO not being able to close the deal on a trade, does not factor in. Same with Beal who I think is also besties with Bam right?

[insfo]

Roster construction continues to be a major crutch for this team. I understand it's hard to get stars but atleast make the pieces make sense around Bam and Herro.

C Kelel Ware 7'1 C Kevin Love 6'8 (Are we really going into the season with cement footed undersized washed up Love as the only backup Center on the roster?)

PF Bam Adebayo 6'9 PF Nikola Jovic 6'10 PF Kyle Anderson 6'9 PF Keshad Johnson 6'6 (Really don't see a need for Anderson anymore with a healthy Jovic and we have a young Keshad as the third PF in the rotation. Knowing how ass backwards we view roster construction it feels like the FO and Spo are satisfied having the undersized Anderson and Johnson as the quasi backup Centers with the idea that Bam will continue to log Center minutes.

SF Andrew Wiggins 6'7 SF Jaime Jaquez Jr 6'6 SF Haywood Highsmith 6'5 SF Simone Fontecchio 6'7 (What are we even doing here with the SF spot with so many players clogging up the roster. Better off trading Wiggins here and allowing JJJ to get the starters role for the entire year to see what we truly have. If he fails we know it's time to move on next year. Need another scorer behind JJJ as Highsmith's skillset really doesn't belong here without a true star for him to play off of.

SG Tyler Herro 6'5 SG Pelle Larrson 6'5 (Truly a major roster construction hole here not having another true scorer behind Herro. Absolute mal practice to go into next year looking like this. Larrson has potential but he plays more like the role playing small forwards we currently have a major abundance of just looking above.

PG Davion Mitchell 6'1 PG Kasparas Jakucionouis 6'5 (No way we can go into next year once again with such little depth at the PG spot and having to rely on a 19 year old rookie. Does a disservice to Kaspar who technically should be having a red shirt year while he logs most of his minutes with the Skyforce learning the pace of the game and continuing to get stronger. Davion is better served as the energizer bunny coming off the bench. A real team is not relying on him as there starting PG. A place holder vet on a one year deal is desperately needed here to bring calm and also show Kasparas the ropes. Dru Smith will be on a two way so we can serve as the 3rd guard in spots throughout the year.

*PG Terry Rozier 6'2 (If we go into the year with Terry Rozier on this roster it just shows that the FO is completely out of touch. At very least he should just be bought out saving 2 million and opening up the valued roster spot)

I think we have to start thinking of this roster as a placeholder once Bam & Herro have been traded away. Ware, KJ, Jovic et al as titos for whichever whale we are able to land with trading Bam & Herro (or assets from their separate trades).

This has to be another development year, where the young guys get a ton of minutes. I guess we will know if/when Herro gets extended if that is not the case.

[Johnny Fontane]

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So was Butler the bigger draw from him during those trade talks when he wanted to come to Miami badly? Still haven't lost hope on Bam's recruiting, since this is one of those instances where the FO not being able to close the deal on a trade, does not factor in. Same with Beal who I think is also besties with Bam right?

Hot take Bam’s friendships holds no water in the current nba

[Vertical Limit]

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So was Butler the bigger draw from him during those trade talks when he wanted to come to Miami badly? Still haven't lost hope on Bam's recruiting, since this is one of those instances where the FO not being able to close the deal on a trade, does not factor in. Same with Beal who I think is also besties with Bam right?

Bam is the clear best player on the Heat and yet it can also be true he isnt a guy that is going to draw superstar talent to join us. You never saw Anthony Davis get a superstar to say, hey come play for the pelicans, even when AD was top 10 arguably top 5 player during his time in new orleans.

Instead, he joined the Lakers.

If we want to pair Bam with a true number 1, everything has got to be on the table.

You cant label the other 14 tito jacksons around Bam as untouchable.

Ive said it before, i would give up EVERYONE not named Bam for a real superstar and just play the first season with a bunch of g league/minimum guys around that star and bam, and build on forward from there.

Which is why i said, put Herro on the block, get draft picks. Put wiggins on the block, dont get greedy, get two expirings and a protected pick. Get all the assets you can, make the assets available for a big trade, you never know if some team decided they need to go a different direction.

No one saw KAT trade coming, we definitely didnt saw the Luka trade coming. Yet we arent prepared for anything at the moment. We dont got the assets lined up.

We are leaving Bam play with 6 developmental guys this upcoming season, (jjj, larrson, kasp, jovic, davion, ware) who are all going to make the opening day roster and play significant minutes. some of them would probably not make the official roster in other teams, they would be assigned to g league, but on the Heat theyre making the roster.

[Rapaz]

I have premium filet (Luka, LeBron, Knecht).

Meanwhile, y’all have some chopped liver (Adebayo, Herro) and a balut (Jakučionis). A side of Bradley Veal will not make that roster into a meal.

Xoxo.

[BBallFreak]

Okay, we're done here.

Bad faith engagements are pointless rabbit holes

I don't think you understand what a bad faith argument is. Me telling you that judging the front office based on one prospect that they didn't get is preposterous is NOT a bad faith argument. You telling us that because they didn't get him, you have the license to trash the front office is the very definition of a bad faith argument. You've been arguing in bad faith from the beginning because you're just looking for a reason to say they're wrong and you're right. At least own it.

You made a specific argument as to why you think Mia shouldn’t have pursued Whitmore

The same exact argument you made perfectly matches the player profile of Kuminga who mainstream reporters are linking to Mia

I asked if you hold the same views about Kuminga that you have on Whitmore to check if you are being consistent and you dodged the question.

Convo over

You don't understand what hypotheticals are?

I literally said they may not have been interested or may have been outbid. Do you get that? I'm not advocating for or against Whitmore, I'm just saying why he may not be in Miami today.

It is definitely difficult to have a conversation with someone who doesn't have an understanding of the English language, so I'll concur with your assessment and say "Convo over."

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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These Bam haters are DISGUSTING on here

Don’t get it twisted on who Dame wanted to play with, situations are different now though. We’re no longer contending, don’t seem to have a very competent FO any more, and the idea of sharing a backcourt with White Drip is probably not very appealing to offense first type guys who play in the backcourt like Dame and Beal.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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So was Butler the bigger draw from him during those trade talks when he wanted to come to Miami badly? Still haven't lost hope on Bam's recruiting, since this is one of those instances where the FO not being able to close the deal on a trade, does not factor in. Same with Beal who I think is also besties with Bam right?

Hot take Bam’s friendships holds no water in the current nba

The truth: it does hold water as several of Bams friends have wanted to come play with Bam (Dame, Mitchell, KD, Kyrie, etc.) but he can’t make the front office get a deal done and he can’t help the front office being delusional in Tyler. That is just pure facts

[insfo]

I have premium filet (Luka, LeBron, Knecht).

Meanwhile, y’all have some chopped liver (Adebayo, Herro) and a balut (Jakučionis). A side of Bradley Veal will not make that roster into a meal.

Xoxo.

Just read today that Knecht was 24! Didn't he like get drafted last year? Had to go back and check and yeah, he's just a year younger than Herro. Premium aka aged filet indeed. Which also seems to be the main diet of Luka

[MartianTimeSlip]

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[Vertical Limit]

So was Butler the bigger draw from him during those trade talks when he wanted to come to Miami badly? Still haven't lost hope on Bam's recruiting, since this is one of those instances where the FO not being able to close the deal on a trade, does not factor in. Same with Beal who I think is also besties with Bam right?

Hot take Bam’s friendships holds no water in the current nba

The truth: it does hold water as several of Bams friends have wanted to come play with Bam (Dame, Mitchell, KD, Kyrie, etc.) but he can’t make the front office get a deal done and he can’t help the front office being delusional in Tyler. That is just pure facts

Theyre beyond delusional about Herro… just imagine what the Heat would be right now if they made a serious offer about Donovan Mitchell.

That is probably the worst part about all of this; the offers theyre giving across the league for star players.. teams around the league see pat riley on the caller ID and they dont even pick up, they know this guy is trying to low ball/squeeze you.

[insfo]

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So was Butler the bigger draw from him during those trade talks when he wanted to come to Miami badly? Still haven't lost hope on Bam's recruiting, since this is one of those instances where the FO not being able to close the deal on a trade, does not factor in. Same with Beal who I think is also besties with Bam right?

Hot take Bam’s friendships holds no water in the current nba

Doubt that. I'm guessing atleast one of Dame or Beal land here. Dame not jumping up and saying Miami bound was a bit confusing though, especially after everything that transpired with Portland. So maybe the chance of actually winning might be playing a part too, so Butler no longer here might be giving him second thoughts was what I was thinking.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Boston makes too much sense. He can rehab with Tatum and be ready next year as the starting PG with Holiday now traded away. Celts also lined up for a lottery pick next year as well. I don’t see Dame sitting out his year here.

[Johnny Fontane]

So was Butler the bigger draw from him during those trade talks when he wanted to come to Miami badly? Still haven't lost hope on Bam's recruiting, since this is one of those instances where the FO not being able to close the deal on a trade, does not factor in. Same with Beal who I think is also besties with Bam right?

Hot take Bam’s friendships holds no water in the current nba

The truth: it does hold water as several of Bams friends have wanted to come play with Bam (Dame, Mitchell, KD, Kyrie, etc.) but he can’t make the front office get a deal done and he can’t help the front office being delusional in Tyler. That is just pure facts

We got outbid in Dame and Mitchell deals. The main point is these players do not give one ounce of care in where they’re playing, whether that be friendships or winning titles. It’s ALL about money for these players and who can blame them when you see the stupid money they’re making

That said I do agree front office should have made deals on high risk players (Harden, Kyrie) when they had the chance to buy low (when butler was still here)

[Lennyzinho]

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Exactly.

What needs to happen is like. Hey Beal. We will sign you to a 4-120M deal. Take Suns offer of 35M buyout. You essentially make the same money next two years and 4th year player option for 30M.

Suns free up 30-35M+ per. With that cap opening they get Wiggins, much better player next to Booker and easier player to trade. They send draft capital to Bucks. A FRP and SRP and a swap at the very least for us working out a deal for Beal and them moving on from him AND getting Wiggins. (Or send Wiggins Love to LAL, Rui and Gabe to Suns, LAL FRP to bucks) Suns still send a SRP or swaps to bucks in return for making this happen.

Send Herro to be centerpiece of trade. From Wisconsin. Will sign a max and stay. Expiring Rozier for flexibility. Young player in JJJ. And every pick and pick swap we have available. Bucks will get Herro, JJJ and expiring and probably like 4-5 frps plus a couple 2nd round picks and swaps.

Heat get Giannis. Have an underrated player in Beal locked up for 30M which is a good deal. Don't have to worry about upcoming Herro max. Which makes sure we can pay Jovic. Heat absolutely competing with Davion Beal Giannis Bam Ware with KJ Haywood Pelle Jovic. And could sign Burks and whoever else.

[DayofMourning]

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PHX did well. If Green gets it together, they did great.

[HeatIn5]

Who says no to Herro for Collins, Juzang, 2027 utah 1st (top 3 protected), 2029 Utah 1st (top 5 protected)