Summer League Thread

[OhCanada]

You guys need to learn. Summer league means nothing. Great start by Edgecomb but doesn’t mean it translates to the season.

Nothing means nothing.

[OhCanada]

I really hope we see VJ Edgecombe and Ace Bailey show out in this SL game. The so called "experts" trashed both of these guys during the predraft process. I feel like Bailey is gonna have one of those games where he puts up shots in a hurry.

VJ was generally well-liked no? Ace had a ton of ppl believing he would bust or end up as a worse than touted prospect.

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[mtcan]

I really hope we see VJ Edgecombe and Ace Bailey show out in this SL game. The so called "experts" trashed both of these guys during the predraft process. I feel like Bailey is gonna have one of those games where he puts up shots in a hurry.

VJ was generally well-liked no? Ace had a ton of ppl believing he would bust or end up as a worse than touted prospect.

Watch on YouTube

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I think I questioned whether VJ's shooting and ability to get to the basket like he did in college translate to the NBA. I'm not seeing 3 level scoring primary option as his ceiling but not every prospect can get there. He certainly can be an elite 3+D all-defence at his peak.

Being out of the Baylor offense I saw him very active and aggressive. His energy level and hustle is up there with guys like Jalen Suggs...but I get that VJ is a much better offensive player. He is going to do well in Philly.

Curious to see if Fears is able to get into the lane and to the basket as easily as he did at Oklahoma. That handle is seems elite...almost Kyrie-like. If the shooting comes along and if the defence isn't horrible...I like him as a lead guard in the future.

[OhCanada]

VJ was generally well-liked no? Ace had a ton of ppl believing he would bust or end up as a worse than touted prospect.

Watch on YouTube

;t=1455s

I think I questioned whether VJ's shooting and ability to get to the basket like he did in college translate to the NBA. I'm not seeing 3 level scoring primary option as his ceiling but not every prospect can get there. He certainly can be an elite 3+D all-defence at his peak.

Being out of the Baylor offense I saw him very active and aggressive. His energy level and hustle is up there with guys like Jalen Suggs...but I get that VJ is a much better offensive player. He is going to do well in Philly.

Curious to see if Fears is able to get into the lane and to the basket as easily as he did at Oklahoma. That handle is seems elite...almost Kyrie-like. If the shooting comes along and if the defence isn't horrible...I like him as a lead guard in the future.

The college game is not suited for Edgecombe’s skillset at this point. He isn’t a skilled, feel/cerebral player that process and disects defenses like a Dylan Harper. He’s an oppurtunistic attacker, if your a step slow closing out hes gonna leave you in the dust and pressure the rim. He’s going to dominate in transition immediately. He’s impossible to guard in transition, the way he quickly covers ground reminded me of John Wall defenses constantly misjudged how fast he would get to the rim and made them look bad. If he’s on the court with Maxey and Embiid teams wont have a way to guard him. He’s like a constant mismatch physically and athletically and all you have to do is have him on the floor to always have that advantage.

Defensively I think he can develop into a Kris Dunn type of player. Watching Dunn in the playoffs against Denver showed how valuable it is to have a defensive playmaker at the guard position, the difference is Edgecombe shouldn’t have the same offensive limitations.

Sometimes I feel like its hard for these draft analysts to have such strong takes on 100 different prospects, but I do feel like they should be fairly accurate on the top 10 prospects.

[ATLTimekeeper]

I mean, we can only go off of what we have... and then amend that opinion as we learn more, no?

I generally think summer league is a waste of time. It seems to serve four purposes.

1. A chance for rooks to get their feet underneath them so that they don’t come into training camp and much everyone else up.

2. Maybe, just maybe, provide a few reps for a player to work on developing a specific skill such as three ball. But how much benefit does a handful of games provide?

3. Evaluate an undrafted free agent, but my guess is that most of that is done behind the scenes in training and not in the circus-like games of summer league.

4. Provide an excuse for NBA and basketball people in general to gather in Vegas (and other places, but mostly Vegas) to talk shop.

Yeah, I mean, there is only so much you can draw from a SL game. Some guys dominate it and are absolute tossers once the season start. Some guys need a more crisply-defined role and a lead player off of whom to run their game, so they look like ass in the SL but figure it out in the RS.

Usually you can tell who has really worked on their game. Like second year Siakam was handling the ball, and then at some point in the regular season they were letting him handle the ball. It didn't predict the level he'd get at, but the difference between how he looked as a rookie and how he looked at his 2nd summer league was significant that you could see development occurring.

[mihaic]

Why are people saying Mogbo lost 10 pounds? That would mean hes around 205-210. That does not seem right.

In the Raptors Republic video posted above it says he’s 215 and on ESPN’s website it says he was 225

He was 217 at the combine. You know maybe his weight just has extreme fluctuation. Me personally on a week to week basis I can weight anywhere from 148 to 160 depending on the foods I'm eating, how busy I am at work, the weather etc. I'd imagine a person that massive could easily lose a few pounds just with a few good sweats.

You lose or gain 12 pounds in a week? That is extreme. Doesn't sound right

[treerollins]

so vj replaces grimes usage, broome fills in for yabu and philly still reliant on embiid and george to get anywhere?

[_MidNight_]

While summer league isn't the end all and be all, this is still the highest level of competition these young guys have played at, so if they step up to that challenge, we need to give them their flowers. Very nice showing by VJ.

[Clutch0z24]

76ers got a good one in Edgecombe ....I like how they are developing him as well in summer league allowing him to have the ball in his hands and get reps making decisions.....His defense and athletic ability will always be there for him once he keeps developing his skills he will be a problem.

[OhCanada]

That was the criticism all throughout college, not after a summer league game.

He would have been in contention for #2 otherwise

The point still went over your head. Making that statement is insanely foolish and amateur. It’s one game. Evaluate him after all of Summer League. That’s a childish take.

I wouldn’t even evaluate him after Summer League. I think we need to evaluate these guys in a more organized, team-oriented setting. So many bad players have gone off in Summer League while so many good players struggled.

Evaluate him after 1000 games or at least 20 seasons in the NBA. Evaluate him after we find a cure for Cancer. Evaluate him after we find out how why and when the universe was created. Any earlier is insanely foolish and amateur.

[OhCanada]

In the Raptors Republic video posted above it says he’s 215 and on ESPN’s website it says he was 225

He was 217 at the combine. You know maybe his weight just has extreme fluctuation. Me personally on a week to week basis I can weight anywhere from 148 to 160 depending on the foods I'm eating, how busy I am at work, the weather etc. I'd imagine a person that massive could easily lose a few pounds just with a few good sweats.

You lose or gain 12 pounds in a week? That is extreme. Doesn't sound right

I'm usually around 152/153 but can easily gain or lose 6 or 7 pounds.

[OhCanada]

I only saw glimpses of the 76ers game, but from what I saw and the box score VJ Edgecombe was very impressive. My one knock on him was his ability to score in the half court against set defenses and he made it look like a strength.

Summer league and set defense is a bit of oxymoron. These guys had a few days only to learn the defense.

Thats bs. And all the people saying Summer League doesnt matter are parrots. VJ Edgecombe's had the same critcism all year at Baylor. Halfcourt offense and creating his own shot/jumpshot. He showed in this game he is working on it. He added a mid range pull up which he didnt have in college and it looked great. The pull up or self creation from three did not look good tonight but hes working on it which is good. Summer League doesnt mean nothing. Nothing means nothing.

[ChillRelaxDude]

I only saw glimpses of the 76ers game, but from what I saw and the box score VJ Edgecombe was very impressive. My one knock on him was his ability to score in the half court against set defenses and he made it look like a strength.

Summer league and set defense is a bit of oxymoron. These guys had a few days only to learn the defense.

Thats bs. And all the people saying Summer League doesnt matter are parrots. VJ Edgecombe's had the same critcism all year at Baylor. Halfcourt offense and creating his own shot/jumpshot. He showed in this game he is working on it. He added a mid range pull up which he didnt have in college and it looked great. The pull up or self creation from three did not look good tonight but hes working on it which is good. Summer League doesnt mean nothing. Nothing means nothing.

Except for the summer league, it really means nothing. It only means something to people who have nothing going on, which makes them think it's something when it's not. The summer league is as nothing as the drew league.

[Yallbecrazy]

Summer league and set defense is a bit of oxymoron. These guys had a few days only to learn the defense.

Thats bs. And all the people saying Summer League doesnt matter are parrots. VJ Edgecombe's had the same critcism all year at Baylor. Halfcourt offense and creating his own shot/jumpshot. He showed in this game he is working on it. He added a mid range pull up which he didnt have in college and it looked great. The pull up or self creation from three did not look good tonight but hes working on it which is good. Summer League doesnt mean nothing. Nothing means nothing.

Except for the summer league, it really means nothing. It only means something to people who have nothing going on, which makes them think it's something when it's not. The summer league is as nothing as the drew league.

When Siakam was playing point guard in the Drew League and putting up 30 and 12 did that mean nothing? It showed he had legit point forward skills when everyone thought he was only a rim runner.

Box scores in summer league don't mean much, but showing off a skill means something. I say this as a very box score oriented evaluator. Edgecombe was making some really tough contested shots at the rim which makes me think he has legit star potential when I previously thought he was more likely to be an elite role player with some small, but probably unlikely star potential upside.

[ChillRelaxDude]

Thats bs. And all the people saying Summer League doesnt matter are parrots. VJ Edgecombe's had the same critcism all year at Baylor. Halfcourt offense and creating his own shot/jumpshot. He showed in this game he is working on it. He added a mid range pull up which he didnt have in college and it looked great. The pull up or self creation from three did not look good tonight but hes working on it which is good. Summer League doesnt mean nothing. Nothing means nothing.

Except for the summer league, it really means nothing. It only means something to people who have nothing going on, which makes them think it's something when it's not. The summer league is as nothing as the drew league.

When Siakam was playing point guard in the Drew League and putting up 30 and 12 did that mean nothing? It showed he had legit point forward skills when everyone thought he was only a rim runner.

Box scores in summer league don't mean much, but showing off a skill means something. I say this as a very box score oriented evaluator. Edgecombe was making some really tough contested shots at the rim which makes me think he has legit star potential when I previously thought he was more likely to be an elite role player with some small, but probably unlikely star potential upside.

It didn't mean anything with Pascal doing that in the Drew League. The coaching staff didn't gain confidence in his abilities by watching highlights from summer runs. These games allow players to try things out, but the games aren't structured, and no one is playing defence.

[OhCanada]

Summer league and set defense is a bit of oxymoron. These guys had a few days only to learn the defense.

Thats bs. And all the people saying Summer League doesnt matter are parrots. VJ Edgecombe's had the same critcism all year at Baylor. Halfcourt offense and creating his own shot/jumpshot. He showed in this game he is working on it. He added a mid range pull up which he didnt have in college and it looked great. The pull up or self creation from three did not look good tonight but hes working on it which is good. Summer League doesnt mean nothing. Nothing means nothing.

Except for the summer league, it really means nothing. It only means something to people who have nothing going on, which makes them think it's something when it's not. The summer league is as nothing as the drew league.

The drew league doesnt mean nothing either. Anyone who says that just isnt a real basketball fan. Theres a very large group of people who care deeply about the league and are extremely invested in it. Invested there lives in it. And you just think its nothing. Ok.

[OhCanada]

so vj replaces grimes usage, broome fills in for yabu and philly still reliant on embiid and george to get anywhere?

76ers are relying on health and continuity similar to the Raptors. Difference is when the Raptors key players were healthy the team played better and that cant be said for Philly last year.

[Basketball_Jones]

I did not know VJ was THIS good wow. Reminds me of Jrue Holiday but can be even better with the freakish athleticism.

[djsunyc]

i think kevin knox looked like baby giannis in summer league.

[OhCanada]

I did not know VJ was THIS good wow. Reminds me of Jrue Holiday but can be even better with the freakish athleticism.

The college style of basketball was not good for his game. Baylor also played him out of position to try to justify an expensive transfer in Jeremy Roach and played their usual slow brand of defensive basketball. Also the college game is just too congested for him to thrive. He will look much better in an NBA setting.