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Lillard (signs with Blazers 7/17/25)

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Post#101 » by jfs1000d » Sun Jul 6, 2025 2:37 pm

This will be interesting for Lillard. Does he want to sign with a team during rehab? Or will he do it alone?

That is the biggest thing. What is benefit of signing now?


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Post#102 » by cloverleaf » Sun Jul 6, 2025 3:00 pm

jfs1000d wrote:This will be interesting for Lillard. Does he want to sign with a team during rehab? Or will he do it alone?

That is the biggest thing. What is benefit of signing now?


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He'd become a human tanking cigar if they signed him now.
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Post#103 » by brackdan70 » Sun Jul 6, 2025 3:18 pm

Checking in just to call BS on the “NBA Source”.
Lilliard makes absolutely no sense in Boston. I’ll it crow if it happens but it’s not happening.
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Post#104 » by bisme37 » Sun Jul 6, 2025 3:45 pm

brackdan70 wrote:Checking in just to call BS on the “NBA Source”.
Lilliard makes absolutely no sense in Boston. I’ll it crow if it happens but it’s not happening.


This Scott Berges fella is quite adamant haha, so there will be def be some crow served to someone.

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Lillard 

Post#105 » by jfs1000d » Sun Jul 6, 2025 4:21 pm

brackdan70 wrote:Checking in just to call BS on the “NBA Source”.
Lilliard makes absolutely no sense in Boston. I’ll it crow if it happens but it’s not happening.


Lol. Why do you say that? I am
Looking around nba., what is a better slot for him

Considering roster, timeline, expectations?


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Post#106 » by Parliament10 » Sun Jul 6, 2025 4:35 pm

jfs1000d wrote:
brackdan70 wrote:Checking in just to call BS on the “NBA Source”.
Lilliard makes absolutely no sense in Boston. I’ll it crow if it happens but it’s not happening.


Lol. Why do you say that? I am
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Considering roster, timeline, expectations?


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I think that it's a high probability.
Makes perfect sense
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Post#107 » by Parliament10 » Sun Jul 6, 2025 4:47 pm

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Post#108 » by brackdan70 » Sun Jul 6, 2025 5:21 pm

jfs1000d wrote:
brackdan70 wrote:Checking in just to call BS on the “NBA Source”.
Lilliard makes absolutely no sense in Boston. I’ll it crow if it happens but it’s not happening.


Lol. Why do you say that? I am
Looking around nba., what is a better slot for him

Considering roster, timeline, expectations?


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I don’t think it makes any sense for the Celtics…unless is he going to accept a two year minimum?
I guess if that’s the case ok…but then we need to trade Hauser or Simons or Niang to get back under the 2nd Apron still. Feels like Lilliard doesn’t fit the path.
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Post#109 » by jfs1000d » Sun Jul 6, 2025 6:01 pm

brackdan70 wrote:
jfs1000d wrote:
brackdan70 wrote:Checking in just to call BS on the “NBA Source”.
Lilliard makes absolutely no sense in Boston. I’ll it crow if it happens but it’s not happening.


Lol. Why do you say that? I am
Looking around nba., what is a better slot for him

Considering roster, timeline, expectations?


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I don’t think it makes any sense for the Celtics…unless is he going to accept a two year minimum?
I guess if that’s the case ok…but then we need to trade Hauser or Simons or Niang to get back under the 2nd Apron still. Feels like Lilliard doesn’t fit the path.

2 year minimum, sure. What else would we give him?


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Post#110 » by Parliament10 » Sun Jul 6, 2025 6:15 pm

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brackdan70 wrote:
jfs1000d wrote:
Lol. Why do you say that? I am
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Considering roster, timeline, expectations?


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I don’t think it makes any sense for the Celtics…unless is he going to accept a two year minimum?
I guess if that’s the case ok…but then we need to trade Hauser or Simons or Niang to get back under the 2nd Apron still. Feels like Lilliard doesn’t fit the path.

2 year minimum, sure. What else would we give him?


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I believe that we can give him the Taxpayer MLE?
But, we have to stay under the 2nd Apron, to do it.
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Re: Lillard 

Post#111 » by Curmudgeon » Sun Jul 6, 2025 6:38 pm

jfs1000d wrote:
brackdan70 wrote:Checking in just to call BS on the “NBA Source”.
Lilliard makes absolutely no sense in Boston. I’ll it crow if it happens but it’s not happening.


Lol. Why do you say that? I am
Looking around nba., what is a better slot for him

Considering roster, timeline, expectations?


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I'm not interested in what's good for Lillard. I'm interested in what's good for the Celtics, which is to develop their young players while Tatum is out and then have a team that actually plays defense when Tatum returns.
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Post#112 » by jfs1000d » Sun Jul 6, 2025 6:52 pm

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jfs1000d wrote:
brackdan70 wrote:Checking in just to call BS on the “NBA Source”.
Lilliard makes absolutely no sense in Boston. I’ll it crow if it happens but it’s not happening.


Lol. Why do you say that? I am
Looking around nba., what is a better slot for him

Considering roster, timeline, expectations?


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I'm not interested in what's good for Lillard. I'm interested in what's good for the Celtics, which is to develop their young players while Tatum is out and then have a team that actually plays defense when Tatum returns.

Lillard is out this year. He isn't a part id the development option. When Tatum returns. Lillsrd slides intina scoring position. We would have PP, White, Lillard. Dear lord that's a lot of firepower.

White is our rock. PP either a starter or heat check odd the bench. Lillard can be a scorer and bucket getter late.

White/lillard/jb/Tatum/? Is a closing lineup that is deadly.

Celtics gotta figure out the 5 spot. But I see no reason how lilliard affects development.


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Re: Lillard 

Post#113 » by brackdan70 » Sun Jul 6, 2025 6:57 pm

Parliament10 wrote:
jfs1000d wrote:
brackdan70 wrote:I don’t think it makes any sense for the Celtics…unless is he going to accept a two year minimum?
I guess if that’s the case ok…but then we need to trade Hauser or Simons or Niang to get back under the 2nd Apron still. Feels like Lilliard doesn’t fit the path.

2 year minimum, sure. What else would we give him?


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I believe that we can give him the Taxpayer MLE?
But, we have to stay under the 2nd Apron, to do it.

Right. We are currently over that Apron. So I guess if there is actually something here then there is a trade lined up. At the MLE it doesn’t make sense to me, but what do I know.
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Post#114 » by gammajamma » Sun Jul 6, 2025 7:07 pm

bisme37 wrote:
brackdan70 wrote:Checking in just to call BS on the “NBA Source”.
Lilliard makes absolutely no sense in Boston. I’ll it crow if it happens but it’s not happening.


This Scott Berges fella is quite adamant haha, so there will be def be some crow served to someone.

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This guy is full of it. He has deleted his account a few times and has said Hauser will be traded, Horford isn't leaving now is saying Horford is going to the Warriors. Also claimed Spurs traded for Jaylen then pivoted to the Celtics traded for Durant. He deleted his account right after the Houston Durant trade broke
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Re: Lillard 

Post#115 » by gammajamma » Sun Jul 6, 2025 7:10 pm

Not saying Lillard to Celtics is not going to happen but that guys is just throwing stuff to wall to see what sticks and deleting his account when it goes wrong and re appearing a few days later
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Post#116 » by jfs1000d » Sun Jul 6, 2025 7:42 pm

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Post#117 » by jfs1000d » Sun Jul 6, 2025 7:45 pm

brackdan70 wrote:
Parliament10 wrote:
jfs1000d wrote:2 year minimum, sure. What else would we give him?


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I believe that we can give him the Taxpayer MLE?
But, we have to stay under the 2nd Apron, to do it.

Right. We are currently over that Apron. So I guess if there is actually something here then there is a trade lined up. At the MLE it doesn’t make sense to me, but what do I know.

Lillard only makes sense on the minimum
We can only afford him the minimum

Lillard isn't out for bag. He isn't leaving much money on the table since he is getting his 2 years paid off. Salary is the least important thing in this weird situation.


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Post#118 » by Fencer reregistered » Sun Jul 6, 2025 7:47 pm

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Fencer reregistered wrote:What are the limitations on signing a guy who used to make a lot of money and then got waived?

They're basically in the form that a guy who used to make more than the non-taxpayer MLE can't be signed as a FA, but that leaves the questions:

-- What's the time period? (Surely the same season he was waived? Only during the regular season?)
-- Who exactly are the teams that can't sign him?
-- Are there any loopholes? (E.g., he signs with a team for the minimum, they waive him too -- then what?)

Here is the relevant info from the CBA about transactions restictions for teams over the first apron:

"Team signs a Contract during the Regular Season with a player who was previously under a Contract that: (i) was terminated during such Regular Season; and (ii) prior to such termination, provided for a Salary for the Salary Cap Year encompassing such Regular Season of greater than the amount of the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level Salary Exception for such Salary Cap Year"

https://imgix.cosmicjs.com/25da5eb0-15eb-11ee-b5b3-fbd321202bdf-Final-2023-NBA-Collective-Bargaining-Agreement-6-28-23.pdf

I'm no lawyer but my understanding is that it would preclude the Celtics (or any team above the first apron) from signing Lillard outright at any point during the season unless they drop below the first apron. The wording is pretty generic so I'm not sure there is a loophole around it. The sign, waive, sign again doesn't seem to work (he would still have had previously a salary that was over the MLE even if was not his last contract).


Great find. Thanks!

However -- if the problem is for contracts terminated during the regular season, and Lillard's contract was terminated before the regular season, maybe the issue doesn't apply to him at all?!
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Post#119 » by gocelts » Sun Jul 6, 2025 8:24 pm

Not sure how I’ll like post Achilles Lillard since I wasn’t a fan him before. I don’t understand how this would work…won’t he still want to get another payday once he’s healthy ? What the point of having him because keeping Tatum company on the bench?
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Post#120 » by bisme37 » Sun Jul 6, 2025 8:39 pm

gocelts wrote:Not sure how I’ll like post Achilles Lillard since I wasn’t a fan him before. I don’t understand how this would work…won’t he still want to get another payday once he’s healthy ? What the point of having him because keeping Tatum company on the bench?


Idea is we give him the minimum for two years. He rehabs with his pal JT, then they come back around the same time and we suddenly add two Allstars to the active roster.

I've never been a big Dame guy but for the minimum it's low risk, high reward, and a good fit for both parties imo. He is still getting paid by the Bucks and knows he's not getting a new mega-contract while he has a torn achilles.

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