GS/Sac/Was - Kuminga, Ellis, Kispert

[NW]

Just throwing bits and pieces of other rumors out there. I’m bad with numbers and trade rules, but I think this works per the Sportrac trade machine.

GS- sign and trade Jonathan Kuminga (deal starting at $26 mil).
Receive: Keon Ellis, Corey Kispert and Devin Carter
Warriors fill out the roster with a need at POA defense (Ellis), Shooting (Kispert) and a flier on Carter. Would still be under the apron to sign Horford.

Sac - trades Keon Ellis, Devin Carter, Dario Saric and two second rounders
Receive: Jonathan Kuminga
Kings get their guy (best player in the trade, unless you think Ellis is -at which there’s no point in talking about a Kuminga to Sac deal anyway) for a slight bit more than the lowball offer already reported.

Was-trade Corey Kispert
Receive-Dario Saric and two 2nds from Kings
With the acquisition of Whitmore, I imagine the Kuminga interest drops and the interest in moving Kispert grows. Wiz get him off the books and get two seconds

[longfellow44]

You aren't getting Ellis for kuminga. I would rather have Ellis over kuminga full stop. The offer is Carter and 2 2nds plus filler. Also I really doubt that the wizards want to trade kispert on a cost controlled contract for 2 2nds.

[NW]

You aren't getting Ellis for kuminga. I would rather have Ellis over kuminga full stop. The offer is Carter and 2 2nds plus filler. Also I really doubt that the wizards want to trade kispert on a cost controlled contract for 2 2nds.

Like I said, if the Kings value Ellis over Kuminga, no point discussing Kuminga to Sacramento. There’s no deal to be had

[longfellow44]

That doesn't mean that kuminga won't be traded for less.

[LightTheBeam]

Absolutely not. Rather have keon than kuminga who im not sure is actually a winning player.

The offer is the offer. Carter + saric + 2nds

If warriors want to sign him and go into lux, good luck.

If Perry folds hes a clown.

[DonaldSanders]

Slater already reported that GS considered the Carter offer to be low-ball from the GS perspective (he is the top Warriors insider reporter). I think Kuminga just ends up back in GS when S&T gets easier during the season.

This deal is too good for GS, the Carter deal too light for GS.

[JRoy]

Kuminga is fools gold.

[NW]

That doesn't mean that kuminga won't be traded for less.

Warriors have no need to trade him for less and likely won’t

[NW]

Absolutely not. Rather have keon than kuminga who im not sure is actually a winning player.

The offer is the offer. Carter + saric + 2nds

If warriors want to sign him and go into lux, good luck.

If Perry folds hes a clown.

Lux tax is unavoidable, but he can be re-upped on a short deal while avoiding the aprons and look to deal him in December and forward. The “offer” has been rejected already. If Perry wants to walk away from the table, cool. Warriors didn’t call him to it in the first place. Perry called them with interest in Kuminga

[longfellow44]

Absolutely not. Rather have keon than kuminga who im not sure is actually a winning player.

The offer is the offer. Carter + saric + 2nds

If warriors want to sign him and go into lux, good luck.

If Perry folds hes a clown.

Lux tax is unavoidable, but he can be re-upped on a short deal while avoiding the aprons and look to deal him in December and forward. The “offer” has been rejected already. If Perry wants to walk away from the table, cool. Warriors didn’t call him to it in the first place. Perry called them with interest in Kuminga

If the warriors don't trade him this summer he is likely gone next year as an un restricted free agent, he doesn't seem willing to sign a small contract he wants a big payday. Im not claiming that the kings will have the winning bid, but I do think that if they go into the season with kuminga on the qualifying offer he will be gone next summer for nothing. So the warriors may decide that nothing is better, but I'm not sold on that, and kerr doesn't seem willing to give him the role that he wants.

[NW]

Absolutely not. Rather have keon than kuminga who im not sure is actually a winning player.

The offer is the offer. Carter + saric + 2nds

If warriors want to sign him and go into lux, good luck.

If Perry folds hes a clown.

Lux tax is unavoidable, but he can be re-upped on a short deal while avoiding the aprons and look to deal him in December and forward. The “offer” has been rejected already. If Perry wants to walk away from the table, cool. Warriors didn’t call him to it in the first place. Perry called them with interest in Kuminga

If the warriors don't trade him this summer he is likely gone next year as an un restricted free agent, he doesn't seem willing to sign a small contract he wants a big payday. Im not claiming that the kings will have the winning bid, but I do think that if they go into the season with kuminga on the qualifying offer he will be gone next summer for nothing. So the warriors may decide that nothing is better, but I'm not sold on that, and kerr doesn't seem willing to give him the role that he wants.

As has been reported by Jake Fischer and others, the chances of Kuminga signing the qualifying offer is slim. Too much of a gamble for someone with his style of play, especially coming off a year where he suffered a serious ankle injury where he missed a month. Far more likely he takes a 2+1 starting around $20-25 mil. Gets paid, can look at trade options again in December and he’s back in free agency while still well in his prime.

[BigGargamel]

Golden State getting three rotation players for a S&T guy is definitely wishful thinking from a Warriors fan.

[NW]

Golden State getting three rotation players for a S&T guy is definitely wishful thinking from a Warriors fan.

Where the S&T guy is the best player in the trade and doesn’t have to be traded?

If you say so

[BigGargamel]

Golden State getting three rotation players for a S&T guy is definitely wishful thinking from a Warriors fan.

Where the S&T guy is the best player in the trade and doesn’t have to be traded?

If you say so

Kuminga being better than Ellis is debatable. When you add what he is likely to be paid, I'd probably rather have Ellis.

[NW]

Golden State getting three rotation players for a S&T guy is definitely wishful thinking from a Warriors fan.

Where the S&T guy is the best player in the trade and doesn’t have to be traded?

If you say so

Kuminga being better than Ellis is debatable. When you add what he is likely to be paid, I'd probably rather have Ellis.

Fair.

Kings came to the Warriors with the interest, so they apparently value having him on the team. They either make a reasonable offer for it to happen or it doesn’t happen

[longfellow44]

The real question if the warriors do resign him to a 2+1 like you said they are certainly going to be over the first apron and potentially hard capped over the 2nd apron.
I can't imagine them doing something like that for a guy that kerr doesn't really value.

[NW]

The real question if the warriors do resign him to a 2+1 like you said they are certainly going to be over the first apron and potentially hard capped over the 2nd apron.
I can't imagine them doing something like that for a guy that kerr doesn't really value.

Warriors are $25 mil under the first apron an $30+ mil under the second. Kuminga is unlikely to get either in a short re-signing deal

[xdrta+]

The real question if the warriors do resign him to a 2+1 like you said they are certainly going to be over the first apron and potentially hard capped over the 2nd apron.
I can't imagine them doing something like that for a guy that kerr doesn't really value.

The Warriors can live with being hard-capped at the 2nd Apron, but not the 1st. I expect them to play as a 1st Apron team.

[longfellow44]

If kuminga gets 20 million which is much less than he is asking you are 5 million from 1st apron. The warriors will need to sign at least 3-5 more vet minimum type guys to field a roster of 13 to 15 guys. Vet minimum is between 2.3 to 3.6 million per player depending on the amount of time in the NBA. Maybe they sign some undrafted guys but the minimum is still 1.1. I think they are going to find it incredibly difficult to stay under the 2nd apron with signing kuminga.


I'm not debating value at all here, just that I don't see a way for them to keep kuminga without hamstringing their team.

[giberish]

If kuminga gets 20 million which is much less than he is asking you are 5 million from 1st apron. The warriors will need to sign at least 3-5 more vet minimum type guys to field a roster of 13 to 15 guys. Vet minimum is between 2.3 to 3.6 million per player depending on the amount of time in the NBA. Maybe they sign some undrafted guys but the minimum is still 1.1. I think they are going to find it incredibly difficult to stay under the 2nd apron with signing kuminga.


I'm not debating value at all here, just that I don't see a way for them to keep kuminga without hamstringing their team.

If they keep Kuminga they'll be a 2nd apron team. Kuminga at $20M to start gives them over $15M room under the 2nd apron. Enough to sign a tax MLE deal and a min salary player or two (all they could do anyways).

If they trade Kuminga they might work under the 1st apron - if they take back $10-15M in salary for 1-2 players they'd have some room to work under the 1st apron (and the logistics with BYC might hard cap them there).