Free Agency & Trades Thread 2 **NOW OPEN**

[Pointgod]

Maybe you missed his numbers when hes gotten a chance to play extended minutes, its pretty damn good.

Hes just playing on a stacked team that wants to win right now vs develop a player. Look at their depth chart and its easy to see he wouldn't touch the court for that reason. I'm intrigued to see how he does in Washington, think it was a great buy low move from the Wizards.

Are they even that good? His best months of his career he averaged 12-14ppg, 3-4rpg with horrendous assist numbers and mediocre efficiency. If someone isn’t going to play team ball then I want that efficiency to be way higher. lol.

Does anyone still get excited about Cam Thomas? He was another guy that got an absurd amount of hype, largely because he played on another team. Now no one talks about him because they realize it’s all empty calories.

How many 2nd year players are polished? Do we need to outline every flaw from Dick/Walter?

Come on man... he has shown some great flashes but still has to improve to play winning basketball. He just wouldn't get that chance on the Rockets because theyre STACKED.

Bro you’re trying to argue with people who have a hate boner for Whitmore because some posters on here dared say he’d be a better pick than Gradey. I don’t even agree that he’s better then Gradey and I think Whitmore has flaws but these guys are employing some insane mental gymnastics to try and justify their position when they wouldn’t apply the same logic to any of our players with similar flaws. They’re not interested in an honest argument.

[HumbleRen]

Cam Whitmore has produced at a high level? Once again, if he’s produced at a high level and is making 4m a year he’s not getting traded. Full stop. Houston would also not go out and sign DFS as they’d want to make room for Whitmore.

He has not produced at a high level. He’s an inefficient, high usage player with zero passing ability.

Yes, he’s produced at a high level whenever he was given real minutes.

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I’m not sure why you keep harping on efficiency by the way. He was more efficient than Scottie, Gradey, Jakobe, Mogbo and RJ Barrett lol.

That’s a 5 game sample size as a starter. I think Whitmore could get better but I wouldn’t use this as the reason why.

Oh I know but I’m simply saying he produces numbers. His advanced analytics basically blow the doors out of any of our young prospects. His BPM is even better than RJ’s lol.

He’s clearly a talented kid, (barely older than Jakobe by a couple of days). I don’t think a 20 year old not being able to crack Ime’s rotation is an end of the world situation for Cam.

[Los_29]

Yes, he’s produced at a high level whenever he was given real minutes.

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I’m not sure why you keep harping on efficiency by the way. He was more efficient than Scottie, Gradey, Jakobe, Mogbo and RJ Barrett lol.

Dude, he’s started 5 games.

So? You can only produce in what you’re given. Whenever he’s been given a real chance, he’s put up efficient numbers.

Again, you’re ducking my question, why do you keep harping on about efficiency when he was more efficient than RJ, Gradey, Jakobe and Scottie. He’s a year younger than Gradey as well lol.

He’ll be fine man, probably won’t be a starter for a good team but he can carve out a real rotation role from the bench.

Sharpe, Eubanks, Thomas, Jalen Harris and many others have torn it up. But no one cared because it led to nothing. Just like Whitmore’s 5 games “explosion.”

I don’t even understand the relevance of your question.

I don’t care what Gradey or Walter’s efficiency was. We are discussing Whitmore and how his skillset contributes to winning basketball. You even said that it doesn’t and I agree on that. Walter and Dick can easily flame out and not carve out a career. But I think we can both agree their skills are more translatable than Whitmore’s. The harsh reality is winning teams don’t have guys like Whitmore on their team.

RJ’s USG is comparable along with their efficiency. Whitmore CAN’T pass the ball. Nor can he do anything else out there. Scottie is obviously better than Whitmore at everything else.

Ultimately, Whitmore is the one being dealt for 2nd round picks. Scottie and RJ served their rookie deals on the team that drafted them and Dick has already outlasted Whitmore and Walter just has a year to go. I don’t anticipate Walter being dealt for two SRPs either.

[HumbleRen]

Dude, he’s started 5 games.

So? You can only produce in what you’re given. Whenever he’s been given a real chance, he’s put up efficient numbers.

Again, you’re ducking my question, why do you keep harping on about efficiency when he was more efficient than RJ, Gradey, Jakobe and Scottie. He’s a year younger than Gradey as well lol.

He’ll be fine man, probably won’t be a starter for a good team but he can carve out a real rotation role from the bench.

Sharpe, Eubanks, Thomas, Jalen Harris and many others have torn it up. But no one cared because it led to nothing. Just like Whitmore’s 5 games “explosion.”

I don’t even understand the relevance of your question.

I don’t care what Gradey or Walter’s efficiency was. We are discussing Whitmore and how his skillset contributes to winning basketball. You even said that it doesn’t and I agree on that. Walter and Dick can easily flame out and not carve out a career. But I think we can both agree their skills are more translatable than Whitmore’s. The harsh reality is winning teams don’t have guys like Whitmore on their team.

RJ’s USG is comparable along with their efficiency. Whitmore CAN’T pass the ball. Nor can he do anything else out there. Scottie is obviously better than Whitmore at everything else.

Ultimately, Whitmore is the one being dealt for 2nd round picks. Scottie and RJ served their rookie deals on the team that drafted them and Dick has already outlasted Whitmore and Walter just has a year to go. I don’t anticipate Walter being dealt for two SRPs either.

I’m just bringing up efficiency because I don’t want you to lie to get your agendas across lol.

Cam is more efficient than Gradey, Jakobe, Shead and Mogbo. This is an objective fact so don’t bring up efficiency to downplay his talents.

His advanced numbers are better than Gradey, Jakobe and Shead. This is an objective fact.

I like to deal with objectivity, not whatever your agenda is. A valid flaw is Cam’s inability to pass. That’s an objective statement from you that I can bet on board with. The other **** you’re saying? It’s coming from 0 tangible data outside of your gut feeling.

[YogurtProducer]

Cam Whitmore has produced at a high level? Once again, if he’s produced at a high level and is making 4m a year he’s not getting traded. Full stop. Houston would also not go out and sign DFS as they’d want to make room for Whitmore.

He has not produced at a high level. He’s an inefficient, high usage player with zero passing ability.

Yes, he’s produced at a high level whenever he was given real minutes.

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I’m not sure why you keep harping on efficiency by the way. He was more efficient than Scottie, Gradey, Jakobe, Mogbo and RJ Barrett lol.

That’s a 5 game sample size as a starter. I think Whitmore could get better but I wouldn’t use this as the reason why.

I wonder why that doesn’t list APG or TPG. Lol

He’s a 35% shooter who got hit and shot 46% from 3 for 5 games. Big whoop.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Immature, selfish and low bball IQ. That is exactly the kind of player the Wizards have been building around for decades. Great pick-up for their brand of basketball.

[ForeverTFC]

Whitemore trade is fine and understandable for all sides. Rockets weren't going to give him much time and wouldn't want to pick up his option next year which comes with a ~30% raise. They probably did a favor for his agent by sending him out this early instead of letting him sit until the deadline. Washington can take a look for a year or two and move on if he's not a fit. Whitmore gets minutes and shots and a chance to make money.

With that said, he was just traded for 2 2nds. If he had any actual value, he would not have been dealt for so little. We can probably get a similar haul (if not more) for Battle. So hopefully everyone who thought it was a fireable offense to pass on him for Dick reflects on what they got wrong. Though I doubt that happens.

[WuTang_OG]

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[Duffman100]

I think we'll look back in 10 years and laugh about how much we argued about Cam Whitmore

[Godaddycurse]

I think we'll look back in 10 years and laugh about how much we argued about Cam Whitmore

i think we will look back in 3 years and argue about not getting him as a reclamation project like wiseman and others

[Duffman100]

I think we'll look back in 10 years and laugh about how much we argued about Cam Whitmore

i think we will look back in 3 years and argue about not getting him as a reclamation project like wiseman and others

You mean successful or not?

[YogurtProducer]

I think we'll look back in 10 years and laugh about how much we argued about Cam Whitmore

Cam Whitmores best case is what? Nick Young or JR Smith? The fact he is brought up so much already is insane

New topic - Grimes wants $25m. Would you rather Grimes or RJ?

I knwo Grimes was supposedly a good defender - has that kept up in PHI?

[Godaddycurse]

I think we'll look back in 10 years and laugh about how much we argued about Cam Whitmore

i think we will look back in 3 years and argue about not getting him as a reclamation project like wiseman and others

You mean successful or not?

i mean he wont get a rookie scale extension and will be looking for a 2nd nba contract

[bape_lovers]

going to add a long list of receipts

but you just said you will take Cam Whitemore which is according to you, "low risk, high reward". RJ has a contract that was given because of his skills, yet Cam Whitemore was traded for two 2nd round picks.

Never understood the RJ love. Volume numbers, low impact, something team compete hates.

I’m not sure how else to make it more simple for you to understand lol.

Acquiring a 21 year old who makes 4M a year who has produced at a high level whenever he got real minutes for 2 2nd round picks is indeed a low risk, high reward move. It doesn’t change your cap flexibility or force you to start him because he makes a lot of money.

Having a 25 year old that is owed 60M over the next 2 years who isn’t a positive impact player. A player that handicaps your flexibility when it comes to trades is not a low risk, high reward player. That’s called a low reward, bad contract situation.

If they both made 4M yes, you easily prefer RJ over Whitmore but they don’t make the same amount of money. That’s why one is called a low risk high reward player and the other is someone most teams don’t want on their roster at that price.

[OAKLEY_2]

Here is my Bobby post Masai trade (with the blessing of the Board).

RJ Barrett, Ochai Agbaji and two firsts
for
Demar Derozan, Keegan Murray and two seconds

Scottie-Jak-Ingram
IQ-Murray

6th man Demar Derozan

7. Jakobe. 8. CMB 9. Shead 10. Mogbo 11. Mamu 12. Alijah Martin 13. Battle 14. Lawson 15. Temple

[Kreamy]

Here is my Bobby post Masai trade (with the blessing of the Board).

RJ Barrett, Ochai Agbaji and two firsts
for
Demar Derozan, Keegan Murray and two seconds

Scottie-Jak-Ingram
IQ-Murray

6th man Demar Derozan

7. Jakobe. 8. CMB 9. Shead 10. Mogbo 11. Mamu 12. Alijah Martin 13. Battle 14. Lawson 15. Temple

Keegan Murray sucks.

[Duffman100]

Here is my Bobby post Masai trade (with the blessing of the Board).

RJ Barrett, Ochai Agbaji and two firsts
for
Demar Derozan, Keegan Murray and two seconds

Scottie-Jak-Ingram
IQ-Murray

6th man Demar Derozan

7. Jakobe. 8. CMB 9. Shead 10. Mogbo 11. Mamu 12. Alijah Martin 13. Battle 14. Lawson 15. Temple

Ewwwww

[Tor_Raps]

Are they even that good? His best months of his career he averaged 12-14ppg, 3-4rpg with horrendous assist numbers and mediocre efficiency. If someone isn’t going to play team ball then I want that efficiency to be way higher. lol.

Does anyone still get excited about Cam Thomas? He was another guy that got an absurd amount of hype, largely because he played on another team. Now no one talks about him because they realize it’s all empty calories.

How many 2nd year players are polished? Do we need to outline every flaw from Dick/Walter?

Come on man... he has shown some great flashes but still has to improve to play winning basketball. He just wouldn't get that chance on the Rockets because theyre STACKED.

Bro you’re trying to argue with people who have a hate boner for Whitmore because some posters on here dared say he’d be a better pick than Gradey. I don’t even agree that he’s better then Gradey and I think Whitmore has flaws but these guys are employing some insane mental gymnastics to try and justify their position when they wouldn’t apply the same logic to any of our players with similar flaws. They’re not interested in an honest argument.

Arguing with homers is the worst. Some of these guys think the past 5 years hasn't been anything but pathetic and somehow everyone we have is a championship calibre player lol.

[Duffman100]

How many 2nd year players are polished? Do we need to outline every flaw from Dick/Walter?

Come on man... he has shown some great flashes but still has to improve to play winning basketball. He just wouldn't get that chance on the Rockets because theyre STACKED.

Bro you’re trying to argue with people who have a hate boner for Whitmore because some posters on here dared say he’d be a better pick than Gradey. I don’t even agree that he’s better then Gradey and I think Whitmore has flaws but these guys are employing some insane mental gymnastics to try and justify their position when they wouldn’t apply the same logic to any of our players with similar flaws. They’re not interested in an honest argument.

Arguing with homers is the worst. Some of these guys think the past 5 years hasn't been anything but pathetic and somehow everyone we have is a championship calibre player lol.

lol I wanted to draft Whitmore.

What's also the worst is when the Raptors pass on someone and the person immediately becomes overrated because we could have had them but made the massive mistake of skipping on them.

[Zeno]

Personally I think Whitmore will excel on the Wiz and is also not a prospect I’d want the Raptors to pursue given what they attempting to do right now. We got enough guys that don’t fit already, no need to add to the list.