Shams: Kings Trade Jonas Valunciunas to the Nuggets for Dario Saric; *UPDATE* - Trade is Now Official

[Indomitable]

This is the first time that a European team tries to get a player from an NBA team that actually wants the said player. But the said player does not want to play there.
There's no precedent.
I don't know how this will end up.
But it's a beginning. A nice beginning for European teams to get the talent back where it belongs.
Obviously, there's a huge financial and marketing gap. But if you never start something, you'll never change a situation.

Because said player will earn more money on his new team. Imagine if one NBA team offers money to player under contract, and he seeks buyout to sign more lucrative contract. It couldn't work, right.

I'm not against Valanciunas going for more money, and bigger contract, it is just he will have to pay for it (but we already aggred on trade so no adittional money needed )

We'll get him one way or another lol
He didn't sign the contract for the Nuggets, he was traded there without anyone asking him.
He has the right to choose where he wants to play, it's his life.
He won't pay anything, he will just underperform intentionally if they keep him so he will be bought out later this season

He has no rights

He is under contract

He needs them to allow him out .

Everything your wrote was nonsense.

The Nuggets can stop him if they want to.

They could hold him until they get tired. He legally cannot get out without their consent.

[sisibilio]

NBA teams were paying to european teams buyouts for players under contract for a long time and it is set amount of money they can pay. Player pays the rest.

What is different here? The fact it never happened in another direction. Well there is always first time

I'm not sure the CBA allows for that option.

[DavidSterned]

Desperation

Funny thing is we all know that Denver probably value Val as a trade salary at the deadline more than an actual player.

Let the man get off the merry go round

Eh, he's a lot better than any of the Joker backups they've had recently (washed Cousins, washed DAJ, washed Saric).

I'm sure they value him at this point as a key part of their team as he represents an upgrade, although he might not be far from washed himself.

[KGtabake]

Because said player will earn more money on his new team. Imagine if one NBA team offers money to player under contract, and he seeks buyout to sign more lucrative contract. It couldn't work, right.

I'm not against Valanciunas going for more money, and bigger contract, it is just he will have to pay for it (but we already aggred on trade so no adittional money needed )

We'll get him one way or another lol
He didn't sign the contract for the Nuggets, he was traded there without anyone asking him.
He has the right to choose where he wants to play, it's his life.
He won't pay anything, he will just underperform intentionally if they keep him so he will be bought out later this season

He has no rights

He is under contract

He needs them to allow him out .

Everything your wrote was nonsense.

The Nuggets can stop him if they want to.

They could hold him until they get tired. He legally cannot get out without their consent.

That alone is enough.
Read what you wrote again and give it a good thought.
He has no rights? Who are you to say something like this?
The contract wasn't signed with Denver either you like it, either you don't.
European basketball doesn't work like the NBA (thank god). Players actually have rights.
You don't have a clue what a player can do if he's unhappy. If Denver wants to keep a player against his will, good luck with the season. You are going to need it.

[KGtabake]

This is the first time that a European team tries to get a player from an NBA team that actually wants the said player. But the said player does not want to play there.
There's no precedent.
I don't know how this will end up.
But it's a beginning. A nice beginning for European teams to get the talent back where it belongs.
Obviously, there's a huge financial and marketing gap. But if you never start something, you'll never change a situation.

Because said player will earn more money on his new team. Imagine if one NBA team offers money to player under contract, and he seeks buyout to sign more lucrative contract. It couldn't work, right.

I'm not against Valanciunas going for more money, and bigger contract, it is just he will have to pay for it (but we already aggred on trade so no adittional money needed )

He's not going for a bigger contract.
It's not about money.
He wants to play in the Euroleague, he wants to play in OAKA. He wants to be treated as a starting caliber player...and he is.

He signed a contract with another team. Not Denver. They traded him without asking him.
Like it happens in the 99% of transactions.
At some point someone, somewhere will go against this.
Players will have a say about their careers and their wishes. Because it's their lives.
I just think it will be funny if it happens by a non American player.
For the record...i think that Valanciunas will play for Panathinaikos because i think that the team will pay only because the president will be pissed off lol

[Jedi32]

I would let him go honestly. Seems kind of desperate to hold onto something or someone that doesn’t want to be there.

[BelgradeNugget]

This is the first time that a European team tries to get a player from an NBA team that actually wants the said player. But the said player does not want to play there.
There's no precedent.
I don't know how this will end up.
But it's a beginning. A nice beginning for European teams to get the talent back where it belongs.
Obviously, there's a huge financial and marketing gap. But if you never start something, you'll never change a situation.

Because said player will earn more money on his new team. Imagine if one NBA team offers money to player under contract, and he seeks buyout to sign more lucrative contract. It couldn't work, right.

I'm not against Valanciunas going for more money, and bigger contract, it is just he will have to pay for it (but we already aggred on trade so no adittional money needed )

We'll get him one way or another lol
He didn't sign the contract for the Nuggets, he was traded there without anyone asking him.
He has the right to choose where he wants to play, it's his life.
He won't pay anything, he will just underperform intentionally if they keep him so he will be bought out later this season

By contract he signed team had right to trade him. If you sign contract for military you don't chose your base. NBA team has right to trade player witouth asking him unles he has "no trade clause". Beal has one, does Val has one? He could have asked for one.

So he can roth on the end of Nuggets bench or he can play and win championship in Greece. Panathenaikos has plan B I guess. Or not.
Maybe it is time for negitiations not black mail, or steal.

[stoo]

trades should be gone from the nba. like they don't exist in any other serious basketball league. sign a player to how ever many years you want and honor your decision. despite players getting ridicolous money nowdays, there is something slavery about the nba

[BelgradeNugget]

NBA teams were paying to european teams buyouts for players under contract for a long time and it is set amount of money they can pay. Player pays the rest.

What is different here? The fact it never happened in another direction. Well there is always first time

I'm not sure the CBA allows for that option.

This is not only NBA thing. Any player under contract for any team in the world had to recive contract termination from his curent team to be able to sign for other team. He can't sign for Panathinaikos without Nuggets aproval. Time for negitiations

[Indomitable]

We'll get him one way or another lol
He didn't sign the contract for the Nuggets, he was traded there without anyone asking him.
He has the right to choose where he wants to play, it's his life.
He won't pay anything, he will just underperform intentionally if they keep him so he will be bought out later this season

He has no rights

He is under contract

He needs them to allow him out .

Everything your wrote was nonsense.

The Nuggets can stop him if they want to.

They could hold him until they get tired. He legally cannot get out without their consent.

That alone is enough.
Read what you wrote again and give it a good thought.
He has no rights? Who are you to say something like this?
The contract wasn't signed with Denver either you like it, either y
European basketball doesn't work like the NBA(thank god). Players actually have rights.Why I am not a Nuggets fan.

You are talking nonsense. He needs them to release him.

You are saying nothing.

My bad he could retire and never receive another check. Plus never play again.

[BelgradeNugget]

This is the first time that a European team tries to get a player from an NBA team that actually wants the said player. But the said player does not want to play there.
There's no precedent.
I don't know how this will end up.
But it's a beginning. A nice beginning for European teams to get the talent back where it belongs.
Obviously, there's a huge financial and marketing gap. But if you never start something, you'll never change a situation.

Because said player will earn more money on his new team. Imagine if one NBA team offers money to player under contract, and he seeks buyout to sign more lucrative contract. It couldn't work, right.

I'm not against Valanciunas going for more money, and bigger contract, it is just he will have to pay for it (but we already aggred on trade so no adittional money needed )

He's not going for a bigger contract.
It's not about money.
He wants to play in the Euroleague, he wants to play in OAKA. He wants to be treated as a starting caliber player...and he is.

He signed a contract with another team. Not Denver. They traded him without asking him.
Like it happens in the 99% of transactions.
At some point someone, somewhere will go against this.
Players will have a say about their careers and their wishes. Because it's their lives.
I just think it will be funny if it happens by a non American player.
For the record...i think that Valanciunas will play for Panathinaikos because i think that the team will pay only because the president will be pissed off lol

Oh you brough tears to my eyes .
So, what is the offer? $1M? $1.5M?

[zimpy27]

Desperation

Funny thing is we all know that Denver probably value Val as a trade salary at the deadline more than an actual player.

Let the man get off the merry go round

Eh, he's a lot better than any of the Joker backups they've had recently (washed Cousins, washed DAJ, washed Saric).

I'm sure they value him at this point as a key part of their team as he represents an upgrade, although he might not be far from washed himself.

There were other options out there that are better honestly. Plumlee is better for example.

[zimpy27]

Desperation

Funny thing is we all know that Denver probably value Val as a trade salary at the deadline more than an actual player.

Let the man get off the merry go round

Eh, he's a lot better than any of the Joker backups they've had recently (washed Cousins, washed DAJ, washed Saric).

I'm sure they value him at this point as a key part of their team as he represents an upgrade, although he might not be far from washed himself.

There were other options out there that are better honestly. Plumlee is better for example.

I genuinely think they care more about having his salary on books to trade at deadline.

[zero rings]

trades should be gone from the nba. like they don't exist in any other serious basketball league. sign a player to how ever many years you want and honor your decision. despite players getting ridicolous money nowdays, there is something slavery about the nba

What other serious basketball leagues are you talking about? The Euro leagues nobody pays attention to?

Trades are a part of the NBA and Valunciunas knew that when he signed his big fat NBA contract. Man up and play.

[Godymas]

Really? What the point in that? The hope that in like a decade you might leave your bunker to a world that has to starts from scratch?

if you’d rather die in nuclear war then say it. i’d rather not

You realy think you have a chance for suvarival in the USA? Russia has 5,459 Nuclear warheads, your best missile defense system stops half of them, so only 2730 Tzar bombs fall on USA. Great. You destroy them but you don't have time to celebrate.
Maybe some people in Bora-Bora could suvarive first wave but not for long. Or tsunami would destroy them too...

yes, i think my survival is highest in the country with the most sophisticated and well funded army in the world that managed to infiltrate Iran's air space a few weeks ago without notifying China or Russia

[BigGargamel]

Denver just needs to let the guy go. I wouldn't want a guy to be forced to play for me. It's not a situation where he wants to go to another NBA team. He wants to go back to his native continent halfway around the world. Make him give up his entire salary, hold his rights in case he wants to come back to the NBA, but just move on. Not gonna end well.

[BelgradeNugget]

if you’d rather die in nuclear war then say it. i’d rather not

You realy think you have a chance for suvarival in the USA? Russia has 5,459 Nuclear warheads, your best missile defense system stops half of them, so only 2730 Tzar bombs fall on USA. Great. You destroy them but you don't have time to celebrate.
Maybe some people in Bora-Bora could suvarive first wave but not for long. Or tsunami would destroy them too...

yes, i think my survival is highest in the country with the most sophisticated and well funded army in the world that managed to infiltrate Iran's air space a few weeks ago without notifying China or Russia

Did you stop all Iranian missiles? You will be able to stop all coming from China or Russia with big boms on them. Good luck.
I would rather be in Bora-Bora

[Nuntius]

I don't see a problem here. If he wants to go to Panathinaikos to play there he can, the path is clear. He must agree on a buyout with the team he has contract with - Denver (if trade goes through).

Which is exactly what he's trying to do. Per the latest reports, Denver doesn't seem willing to negotiate a buyout with him.

[BelgradeNugget]

NEWS ALERT*****NEWS ALERT*****

From the latest interview Ivica Zubac gave to ESPN CBS ABS BBC

"I'm glad I can openly speak about my wishes for my career for the first time. Like, really open my hearth. I never wanted to play in LA or be a starter. In fact I always wanted to play with my friend Jokic in Denver as his backup. Two of us can dominate the league.

I also heard there are some good schools for my kids there. I like the city of Denver, I like mountains, hiking, skiinig during winter. I never liked the spotlight of LA.

I've heard Valanciunas recived contract termination from them because they were so nices to let him play where his hearth wishes. I'll go to mister Balmer to ask him to be nice too and let me go play for Denver."

Yes, great, Val can go to Greece he is free...

[Nuntius]

if you’d rather die in nuclear war then say it. i’d rather not

You realy think you have a chance for suvarival in the USA? Russia has 5,459 Nuclear warheads, your best missile defense system stops half of them, so only 2730 Tzar bombs fall on USA. Great. You destroy them but you don't have time to celebrate.
Maybe some people in Bora-Bora could suvarive first wave but not for long. Or tsunami would destroy them too...

yes, i think my survival is highest in the country with the most sophisticated and well funded army in the world that managed to infiltrate Iran's air space a few weeks ago without notifying China or Russia

Isn't Russia your ally now?