Free Agency & Trades Thread 2 **NOW OPEN**

[Tor_Raps]

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Bro you’re trying to argue with people who have a hate boner for Whitmore because some posters on here dared say he’d be a better pick than Gradey. I don’t even agree that he’s better then Gradey and I think Whitmore has flaws but these guys are employing some insane mental gymnastics to try and justify their position when they wouldn’t apply the same logic to any of our players with similar flaws. They’re not interested in an honest argument.

Arguing with homers is the worst. Some of these guys think the past 5 years hasn't been anything but pathetic and somehow everyone we have is a championship calibre player lol.

lol I wanted to draft Whitmore.

What's also the worst is when the Raptors pass on someone and the person immediately becomes overrated because we could have had them but made the massive mistake of skipping on them.

I dont even care about the whole "he should have been a raptor" because thats not what's making me like him as a buy low prospect. Its just clear that some people are hating on the kid to prop up Gradey.

Its the same reason why you'll some idiots still smacktalk Siakam because they want to feel the Raptors won the trade. Just smells of insecurity, which is what Brian Windhorst just blasted us over recently, and clearly you can see its very true.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Gradey is a more valuable archetype. That's just the NBA. He's on the scouting report. Whitmore has basically just been a timeout and let's deal with him type of player.

I do wonder when the last first round draft pick that was given up on after just two seasons absolutely made noise. I don't mean traded for value but just waived or traded for a loss like Whitmore.

[Zeno]

Gradey is a more valuable archetype. That's just the NBA. He's on the scouting report. Whitmore has basically just been a timeout and let's deal with him type of player.

I do wonder when the last first round draft pick that was given up on after just two seasons absolutely made noise. I don't mean traded for value but just waived or traded for a loss like Whitmore.

Was the Nesmith trade for a loss? I think so as he was kind of a throw in.

[canada_dry]

Because one guy makes 3M a year and the other makes nearly 10X more than that. One is also willing to come off the bench, the other is adamant to be a starter and wants an extension that makes more than what he makes right now.

I don’t see either being positive starters on playoff caliber teams for what it’s worth.

Whitmore just asked out because he wasn’t playing and there is zero inclination RJ wouldn’t come off the bench.

You’re also missing RJ is miles better in literally every aspect

Okay so why isn’t he coming off the bench then lol.

And that’s your opinion, I’m taking Whitmore on his contract over RJ’s right now any day of the week lol. It’s not even a debate in my eyes.

Why would he bench himself? Would you bench yourself? What kind of question is that?

Is there any evidence that he's been asked to come off the bench while on the Raptors? Maybe i missed it. Legit question.

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[canada_dry]

Okay so why isn’t he coming off the bench then lol.

And that’s your opinion, I’m taking Whitmore on his contract over RJ’s right now any day of the week lol. It’s not even a debate in my eyes.

Because he’s still arguably our best SG?

You’re argument has become “why is RJ better than Whitmore”

You think they tried to bench RJ and he refused to show up to games or something?

No, that’s your argument. My argument is I like Whitmore better than RJ for our team because he’s 10X cheaper and is willing to come off the bench.

You have 0 evidence of RJ wanting to come off the bench for us, nor do you honestly even believe he would contemplate coming off the bench for our team. Stop lying to yourself, it’s embarrassing lol.

Wth? The onus would be on YOU to prove it... you can't just make up random crap and say "prove me wrong "

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[canada_dry]

I’d honestly be in shock if Gradey was dumped for 2nd round picks. He’s shown enough in this league to not get dumped for nothing. Whitmore has zero value and his team gave up on him after 2 seasons. That’s a horrible sign.

RJ is in a different situation. He’s a solid player but makes too much and teams have been very tight with their money this offseason.

You can talk about salaries all you want but one thing that doesn’t change is Whitmore is a bad basketball player. Sure you’re paying a lot less but he stinks and that’s going to hurt your basketball team.

I think you’re misreading the value of our players then.

Gradey is not getting a first pick as a return package lol. He’s shown nothing these 2 years to be able to fetch anything of note. We already know RJ has no value so we don’t have to play that hypothetical.

Not being able to crack Ime’s rotation doesn’t mean you suck. Gradey wouldn’t get minutes either on that team, RJ would struggle to play 25 mins a night on that team. The third pick last year couldn’t even crack his rotation.

I’m not saying Gradey can return a FRP. The point is I don’t think the team would give up on him after two seasons. He’s shown enough flashes that a team would want to hold onto him. It’s very rare for a team to give up on a player after two years. When that happens it basically means you stink and they see no future. You’re lying to yourself if you think Whitmore is some kind of hidden gem. Houston is actually trying to compete as well so if Whitmore was any good they most certainly wouldn’t be trading him for a 2nd round pick.

The 3rd pick is more like a late lottery pick in a normal draft. The draft was awful. Tari Eason had no problem getting consistent minutes. Ime plays you if you are good. RJ would get minutes there too.

RJ does have value as a player. The issue is making contracts work in a cap tight environment. Players who are worse than RJ and have worse contracts are getting traded and they are getting traded for good NBA players. Your opinion of RJ is simply not grounded in reality and I’m far from an RJ fan.

Disagree with this. It was reported they specifically chose a package from a team that he would get the reps on that he needs. Reps he wasn't going to get on the rockets.

Whether hes good or not remains to be seen. But trading him doesn't mean that he "stinks" as you put it, no. Just too many cooks in the kitchen on the rockets. That's all.

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[djsunyc]

Here is my Bobby post Masai trade (with the blessing of the Board).

RJ Barrett, Ochai Agbaji and two firsts
for
Demar Derozan, Keegan Murray and two seconds

Scottie-Jak-Ingram
IQ-Murray

6th man Demar Derozan

7. Jakobe. 8. CMB 9. Shead 10. Mogbo 11. Mamu 12. Alijah Martin 13. Battle 14. Lawson 15. Temple

reported

[CazOnReal]

Here is my Bobby post Masai trade (with the blessing of the Board).

RJ Barrett, Ochai Agbaji and two firsts
for
Demar Derozan, Keegan Murray and two seconds

Scottie-Jak-Ingram
IQ-Murray

6th man Demar Derozan

7. Jakobe. 8. CMB 9. Shead 10. Mogbo 11. Mamu 12. Alijah Martin 13. Battle 14. Lawson 15. Temple

This is fuc*ing disgusting.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Gotdang watching the Carter documentary, what could've been with McGrady and Carter

[Potential]

Here is my Bobby post Masai trade (with the blessing of the Board).

RJ Barrett, Ochai Agbaji and two firsts
for
Demar Derozan, Keegan Murray and two seconds

Scottie-Jak-Ingram
IQ-Murray

6th man Demar Derozan

7. Jakobe. 8. CMB 9. Shead 10. Mogbo 11. Mamu 12. Alijah Martin 13. Battle 14. Lawson 15. Temple

U forgot a follow up trade where we send Scottie, JaKobe, Shead and 2 unprotected 1sts for Vucevic, Patrick Williams and 2 seconds

[HumbleRen]

Because he’s still arguably our best SG?

You’re argument has become “why is RJ better than Whitmore”

You think they tried to bench RJ and he refused to show up to games or something?

No, that’s your argument. My argument is I like Whitmore better than RJ for our team because he’s 10X cheaper and is willing to come off the bench.

You have 0 evidence of RJ wanting to come off the bench for us, nor do you honestly even believe he would contemplate coming off the bench for our team. Stop lying to yourself, it’s embarrassing lol.

Wth? The onus would be on YOU to prove it... you can't just make up random crap and say "prove me wrong "

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The onus would be on you guys since y’all are assuming he would come off the bench for us when he’s in the middle of trying to get an extension lmfao.

[CazOnReal]

Gotdang watching the Carter documentary, what could've been with McGrady and Carter

And Marcus Camby

And Damon Stoudamire

Say what you will about the old era of Raptors basketball, they could draft (Ignore who they burned the 12th pick on, no one's perfect and frankly we'll never know how their career would play out had it not been for injuries). Even in the event that this core prevents them from, say, getting Bosh in 03, that's a hell of a core 4 to have in the 00s.

[HumbleRen]

Whitmore just asked out because he wasn’t playing and there is zero inclination RJ wouldn’t come off the bench.

You’re also missing RJ is miles better in literally every aspect

Okay so why isn’t he coming off the bench then lol.

And that’s your opinion, I’m taking Whitmore on his contract over RJ’s right now any day of the week lol. It’s not even a debate in my eyes.

Why would he bench himself? Would you bench yourself? What kind of question is that?

Is there any evidence that he's been asked to come off the bench while on the Raptors? Maybe i missed it. Legit question.

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I was being sarcastic to people who assumed he would come off the bench for us if we asked him too.

[CazOnReal]

I'm just gonna say this for Whitmore: The Raptors are big on personalities and character, at least when it comes to drafting. Trades are a different story (Lowry is probably the most notable example) and yeah it'd be nice to pick up Cam for some size on essentially a flier. But it's not a surprise he dropped in the draft based on perceived injury reports and him being 2023's Bones Hyland i.e. a draft darling with character issues.

It'd be nice to pick him up but Cam in no way affects how I think about Dick and his capabilities as the potential starting SG or even a juiced up 6th man movement shooter off the bench for the team - even if I prefer Ja'Kobe to take up the starting role based on his strengths.

[Tripod]

This must be some of the dumbest arguing I have seen in awhile.

[HumbleRen]

Gradey is a more valuable archetype. That's just the NBA. He's on the scouting report. Whitmore has basically just been a timeout and let's deal with him type of player.

I do wonder when the last first round draft pick that was given up on after just two seasons absolutely made noise. I don't mean traded for value but just waived or traded for a loss like Whitmore.

Gradey is 2 years into his career and he can’t do the thing he was drafted to do. Shooters who can’t defend for crap are not a valuable archetype in today’s NBA. Maybe in the 2010’s lol.

Gradey’s minutes diminished severely as the season went on because he couldn’t play competent defence. This was on a tanking team mind you.

[CazOnReal]

Gradey’s minutes diminished severely as the season went on because he couldn’t play competent defence. This was on a tanking team mind you.

They were reduced because the team finally got healthy and could play more than just Gradey and RJ at the 2/3. Ja'Kobe Walter only made his debut in, what, late December?

This is a bad argument.

[HumbleRen]

Gradey’s minutes diminished severely as the season went on because he couldn’t play competent defence. This was on a tanking team mind you.

They were reduced because the team finally got healthy and could play more than just Gradey and RJ at the 2/3. Ja'Kobe Walter only made his debut in, what, late December?

This is a bad argument.

He was just flat out getting worse, that’s the biggest reason.

[Duffman100]

This must be some of the dumbest arguing I have seen in awhile.

All for Whitmore! Who is just ... okay.

[djsunyc]

i wish sometimes raptors fans stan for raptors players instead of everyone else in the league.