NBA Trade Thread #12

[Infinity2152]

Simons for Vucevic makes sense in a few ways. Don't think of Simons as a Coby replacement. Think of him as an expiring vs Vucevic as an expiring. Simons can be sixth man and top scorer off the bench. All our guards are expiring, there's not a single one guaranteed to be here to start the season anyway. In the event of a Coby trade, Simons is a one year substitute for expiring Coby and we get assets for Coby. Projected trade had us getting a second back too.

Ayo's possibly traded, Huerter may get minutes at SF and when have all our guards ever been healthy at the same time? On a one year contract based round a Vucevic trade, that's the highest level talent you're getting. He could get better and get extended, or turn into a better trade piece before the deadline.

Clears the center logjam and gives us a little insurance and a little leverage with Coby. Taking a a cheap shot at another young player in position where everybody is expiring.

[ChettheJet]

Much/all of the above you know before even considering a Vuc/Simons trade.

One upside to Simons is he's an expiring, as noted so are Coby, Ayo, Huerter, Carter. When you make the trade you can't be waiting to see how everybody plays together to decide who of that group should be your future. If you haven't seen enough of those players over their careers to have a solid grade on them the time to the trade deadline is a small factor in your evaluation. You HAVE to be looking a year out from now to be nearly certain which of the UFA you want to have with Giddey and Jones and part of that is which of those guys want to stay. If Simons doesn't end up throwing up too many shots to audition to start for other teams is he willing to take fewer shots to impress the Bulls that he can be part of the move the ball Bulls?

In moving Vucevic and clearly the center position you still need a 3rd center because Collins or Smith will get injured for a few games and those so eager the trade Patrick will be the reason Essengue gets thrown in at the 5 where he shouldn't be.

[Infinity2152]

Much/all of the above you know before even considering a Vuc/Simons trade.

One upside to Simons is he's an expiring, as noted so are Coby, Ayo, Huerter, Carter. When you make the trade you can't be waiting to see how everybody plays together to decide who of that group should be your future. If you haven't seen enough of those players over their careers to have a solid grade on them the time to the trade deadline is a small factor in your evaluation. You HAVE to be looking a year out from now to be nearly certain which of the UFA you want to have with Giddey and Jones and part of that is which of those guys want to stay. If Simons doesn't end up throwing up too many shots to audition to start for other teams is he willing to take fewer shots to impress the Bulls that he can be part of the move the ball Bulls?

In moving Vucevic and clearly the center position you still need a 3rd center because Collins or Smith will get injured for a few games and those so eager the trade Patrick will be the reason Essengue gets thrown in at the 5 where he shouldn't be.

Seem like most of the objections about Simons are viewing him as an immediate Coby replacement at starting SG. No, he's not as good as Coby. Not sure if we can extend him if he does well, but I think he'll get less than Coby in FA. If I'm looking at Ayo, Huerter, Carter, Terry, and then Simons, Simons is the highest value and most probable to be re-signed as a long term asset. All of them have to prove something, and Simons has the highest ceiling. the cost is Vucevic. Just move one. He could get PLENTY of shots on the bench, the only real scorer besides Huerter.

Talking about needing a third center, there aren't enough playable minutes for 3 centers. The third is usually a prospect player or vet min type guy. We could just waive Carter and add one. Also, not opposed to Noa getting a few minutes at center if needed. We won't know how he plays at the position until he tries it, and he's as tall as a lot of centers. Would be more opportunities than PF, probably. We did draft another center already on a two-way, we could just call him up.

Again, he's great insurance in the event of a Coby injury, trade or simply wanting too much money. Next step would try to flip Simons and Phillips for Jalen Green and Bol Bol.

[Infinity2152]

Other trade news: Jonas Valenciunas is weighing an offer to return to Europe. If he does, Nuggets have no veteran depth at center behind Jokic and already lost Saric. Nuggets may get $10 mill in cap space, but that won't help them, unless the NBA gives them an exception.

[WesPeace]

Simons for Vucevic makes sense in a few ways. Don't think of Simons as a Coby replacement. Think of him as an expiring vs Vucevic as an expiring. Simons can be sixth man and scorer off the bench. We don't have one. All our guards are expiring, there's not a single one guaranteed to be here to start the season anyway. In the event of a Coby trade, Simons is a one year substitute for expiring Coby and we get assets for Coby. Projected trade had us getting a second back too.

Ayo's possibly traded, Huerter mau get minutes at SF and when have ll our guards ever been healthy? On a one year contract based round a Vucevic trade, that's the highest level talent you're getting. He could get better and get extended, or turn into a better trade piece before the deadline.

I dont see nothing special in Simons, I rather keep Coby, Ayo, even Huerter tbh.. also, our roster has flexibility next season, if players dont get extended, this season we are full,at least at the moment, all under contracts, well except Giddey still not re-signed

[WesPeace]

Much/all of the above you know before even considering a Vuc/Simons trade.

One upside to Simons is he's an expiring, as noted so are Coby, Ayo, Huerter, Carter. When you make the trade you can't be waiting to see how everybody plays together to decide who of that group should be your future. If you haven't seen enough of those players over their careers to have a solid grade on them the time to the trade deadline is a small factor in your evaluation. You HAVE to be looking a year out from now to be nearly certain which of the UFA you want to have with Giddey and Jones and part of that is which of those guys want to stay. If Simons doesn't end up throwing up too many shots to audition to start for other teams is he willing to take fewer shots to impress the Bulls that he can be part of the move the ball Bulls?

In moving Vucevic and clearly the center position you still need a 3rd center because Collins or Smith will get injured for a few games and those so eager the trade Patrick will be the reason Essengue gets thrown in at the 5 where he shouldn't be.

Seem like most of the objections about Simons are viewing him as an immediate Coby replacement at starting SG. No, he's not as good as Coby. Not sure if we can extend him if he does well, but I think he'll get less than Coby in FA. If I'm looking at Ayo, Huerter, Carter, Terry, and then Simons, Simons is the highest value and most probable to be re-signed as a long term asset. All of them have to prove something, and Simons has the highest ceiling. the cost is Vucevic. Just move one. He could get PLENTY of shots on the bench, the only real scorer besides Huerter.

Talking about needing a third center, there aren't enough playable minutes for 3 centers. The third is usually a prospect player or vet min type guy. We could just waive Carter and add one. Also, not opposed to Noa getting a few minutes at center if needed. We won't know how he plays at the position until he tries it, and he's as tall as a lot of centers. Would be more opportunities than PF, probably. We did draft another center already on a two-way, we could just call him up.

Again, he's great insurance in the event of a Coby injury, trade or simply wanting too much money. Next step would try to flip Simons and Phillips for Jalen Green and Bol Bol.

Jalen Green

[sco]

Wonder if Indy would want Smith back? Thinking something like:

Smith, Ayo, Carter for Toppin/Mathurin works $wise. Gives them a couple of 1 yr replacements for Hali and a Turner replacement.

[ChettheJet]

If you want to believe that WASH is interested in J Kuminga, what about

They S&T Kuminga
The Bulls send Nikola Vucevic and either Jevon Carter or Dalen Terry to GSW since they still have no center
the Bulls get Kelly Olynyk, Cory Kispert and somehow Tristian Vukcevic from WASH

WASH puts Sarr at C with PF Kuminga
Bulls get an expiring PF, yes too long of a deal SF and a 3rd string center
GSW get a center with two expiring contracts

The Bulls probably look to move Okoro and Kispert at the deadline

[kodo]

Simons for Vucevic makes sense in a few ways. Don't think of Simons as a Coby replacement. Think of him as an expiring vs Vucevic as an expiring. Simons can be sixth man and scorer off the bench. We don't have one. All our guards are expiring, there's not a single one guaranteed to be here to start the season anyway. In the event of a Coby trade, Simons is a one year substitute for expiring Coby and we get assets for Coby. Projected trade had us getting a second back too.

Ayo's possibly traded, Huerter mau get minutes at SF and when have ll our guards ever been healthy? On a one year contract based round a Vucevic trade, that's the highest level talent you're getting. He could get better and get extended, or turn into a better trade piece before the deadline.

I dont see nothing special in Simons, I rather keep Coby, Ayo, even Huerter tbh.. also, our roster has flexibility next season, if players dont get extended, this season we are full,at least at the moment, all under contracts, well except Giddey still not re-signed

He's one of the most prolific 3P shooters in the league and unlike Huerter he's not just shooting assisted catch & shoots.
It's statistically a slightly down year for him but he's still 12th in the league in 3 pointers, last year he was 6th and the year before he was 5th.
40% of his 3s are unassisted, Coby is about 35% and Huerter is about 7%. For as much as the Bulls keep talking about 3 point shooting, they have exactly 1 player capable of hitting movement 3s off the dribble, off a stepback or sidestep. Giddey, Huerter, Williams, Terry, Phillips, Vucevic, Smith are all guys who need their feet set.

I think he has a more value than Vuc, but I probably think worse of Vuc than most Bulls fans.

[sco]

Simons for Vucevic makes sense in a few ways. Don't think of Simons as a Coby replacement. Think of him as an expiring vs Vucevic as an expiring. Simons can be sixth man and scorer off the bench. We don't have one. All our guards are expiring, there's not a single one guaranteed to be here to start the season anyway. In the event of a Coby trade, Simons is a one year substitute for expiring Coby and we get assets for Coby. Projected trade had us getting a second back too.

Ayo's possibly traded, Huerter mau get minutes at SF and when have ll our guards ever been healthy? On a one year contract based round a Vucevic trade, that's the highest level talent you're getting. He could get better and get extended, or turn into a better trade piece before the deadline.

I dont see nothing special in Simons, I rather keep Coby, Ayo, even Huerter tbh.. also, our roster has flexibility next season, if players dont get extended, this season we are full,at least at the moment, all under contracts, well except Giddey still not re-signed

He's one of the most prolific 3P shooters in the league and unlike Huerter he's not just shooting assisted catch & shoots.
It's statistically a slightly down year for him but he's still 12th in the league in 3 pointers, last year he was 6th and the year before he was 5th.
40% of his 3s are unassisted, Coby is about 35% and Huerter is about 7%. For as much as the Bulls keep talking about 3 point shooting, they have exactly 1 player capable of hitting movement 3s off the dribble, off a stepback or sidestep. Giddey, Huerter, Williams, Terry, Phillips, Vucevic, Smith are all guys who need their feet set.

I think he has a more value than Vuc, but I probably think worse of Vuc than most Bulls fans.

I love him as Coby insurance. There may be a good opportunity before the season starts or at the deadline. But I'd do the deal regardless if it means we can be rid of Vuc.

[DropStep]

Why are the Kings so eager to get rid of Monk this offseason?

A year ago everyone wanted Monk and the Kings had re-signed him for a very affordable price.

His production hasn't dropped, am I missing something? Maybe Lavine contract pushing him out of the roster?

Having a player of his caliber tied down for 20M for the next 3 years isn't bad at all.

Anyway, regarding Kuminga trade, is Carter + Saric a better return for the Warriors than Ayo + Smith?

I think what's changed since then is the market, not Monk necessarily. Most people when they make offers now seem to be on board with the CBA changing things, plus, I think this is sort of a gap year where the past couple of years of transactions that now clearly seem like overpays are coming home to roost. I do think demand is abnormally dry even given the CBA, so maybe it will rebound a little in future years after teams have taken their medicine. This is a little like 2016, but smaller and in reverse - labor cost effects hitting kind of all at once.

I wonder if the Pistons regret spending what they did on Duncan Robinson (which seems like a dinosaur old-school contract, to me) when you could get Monk for a song.

[WesPeace]

Pistons mentioned as possible Vooch destination.. possible straight swap for undersized C Stewart

[BullChit]

Pistons mentioned as possible Vooch destination.. possible straight swap for undersized C Stewart

I'll just mention here that you should all imagine what would have happened to Grayson Allen had Stewart been on our team.

[Muzbar]

Pistons mentioned as possible Vooch destination.. possible straight swap for undersized C Stewart

Mentioned where?

[BullChit]

Pistons mentioned as possible Vooch destination.. possible straight swap for undersized C Stewart

Mentioned where?

Jake Weinbach from Fansided mentioned it... It's not even a rumour it's just his idea I believe.

[WesPeace]

Interesting trade :
N.Powell to Miami,
J.Collins to LAC,
Love, K.Anderson to Jazz

[burlydee]

Interesting trade :
N.Powell to Miami,
J.Collins to LAC,
Love, K.Anderson to Jazz

Utah is just doing stuff to do it.

[kodo]

Interesting trade :
N.Powell to Miami,
J.Collins to LAC,
Love, K.Anderson to Jazz

Damn, home run for Miami. They just keep winning. Wonder why LA traded away their 2nd leading scorer after winning 50. I guess they're 100% confident in Kawhi playing all season?

Powell was one of the best snipers in the league this season.

[Infinity2152]

Interesting trade :
N.Powell to Miami,
J.Collins to LAC,
Love, K.Anderson to Jazz

Damn, home run for Miami. They just keep winning. Wonder why LA traded away their 2nd leading scorer after winning 50. I guess they're 100% confident in Kawhi playing all season?

Powell was one of the best snipers in the league this season.

Collins and Powell are both expiring. Collins is 27 compared to Powell at 32. Powell's missed a fair number of games too, last four years 60, 72, 60, 45 games played. Clippers top 5 was Harden, Powell, Leonard, Bogdanovic, Zubac. Could see Collins sliding into that starting line-up just as well.

Collins played 40, 68, 71, 54 so roughly about the same amount of missed games last 4 years, but Collins is 5 years younger. Shot 40% from 3 this season. Powell is a really great shooter though. Collins will add more rebounds and big man defense.

Clippers were pretty small before, Powell 6'4, Harden 6'5, Leonard 6'7, Bogdanovic 6'5, Zubac 7'. Maybe they wanted to get bigger.

[drosestruts]

Out of pure curiosity, where would you place LeBron's value? What would you trade for him if he were to become available?

A superstar at the end of their career is such a Bulls move, but on the other hand, the East seems wide-open, and LeBron is still pretty good.