Shams: Knicks, Guerschon Yabusele agree to deal

[mpharris36]

All veteran minimums are not the same though….I believe…doesn’t it have to be a veteran with less than 10 years?

for cap purposes they're all the same...they get paid differently (due to service) but a vet min deal impacts the cap the same way.

[knicks1999]

All veteran minimums are not the same though….I believe…doesn’t it have to be a veteran with less than 10 years?

for cap purposes they're all the same...they get paid differently (due to service) but a vet min deal impacts the cap the same way.

Oh wow….listening to cap experts….I thought it had to be a veteran with 9 years or less to fit into the cap….eliminating a Chris Paul or Westbrook….I misunderstood

[TheGreenArrow]

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[sol537]

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I think he'll fit in really well on the Knicks. Big Body Brunson... meet Big Bootay Yabu

[Jalen Bluntson]

All veteran minimums are not the same though….I believe…doesn’t it have to be a veteran with less than 10 years?

for cap purposes they're all the same...they get paid differently (due to service) but a vet min deal impacts the cap the same way.

Oh wow….listening to cap experts….I thought it had to be a veteran with 9 years or less to fit into the cap….eliminating a Chris Paul or Westbrook….I misunderstood

There were reports saying different for sure. That Yabusele had to take less for us to get a full vet mini vs say McCullar 2nd year mini. Due to apron restraints we didn't have enough. That's what I was working with as a base line.

[mpharris36]

for cap purposes they're all the same...they get paid differently (due to service) but a vet min deal impacts the cap the same way.

Oh wow….listening to cap experts….I thought it had to be a veteran with 9 years or less to fit into the cap….eliminating a Chris Paul or Westbrook….I misunderstood

There were reports saying different for sure. That Yabusele had to take less for us to get a full vet mini vs say McCullar 2nd year mini. Due to apron restraints we didn't have enough. That's what I was working with as a base line.

Yabu had to take a little less or signing the vet minimum would have put us over the hard cap which after using the TPMLE we are hardcapped at the top end of the 1st apron.

So Yabu taking a little less allows us to offer a full vet minimum deal. With a 2nd round cap hold salary for someone like Nnaji or the french kid we drafted in the 2nd round.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Oh wow….listening to cap experts….I thought it had to be a veteran with 9 years or less to fit into the cap….eliminating a Chris Paul or Westbrook….I misunderstood

There were reports saying different for sure. That Yabusele had to take less for us to get a full vet mini vs say McCullar 2nd year mini. Due to apron restraints we didn't have enough. That's what I was working with as a base line.

Yabu had to take a little less or signing the vet minimum would have put us over the hard cap which after using the TPMLE we are hardcapped at the top end of the 1st apron.

So Yabu taking a little less allows us to offer a full vet minimum deal. With a 2nd round cap hold salary for someone like Nnaji or the french kid we drafted in the 2nd round.

Right. Ok. So we have enough now. That's all that matters to me. Two more roster moves and wait and see who the staff is.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Oh wow….listening to cap experts….I thought it had to be a veteran with 9 years or less to fit into the cap….eliminating a Chris Paul or Westbrook….I misunderstood

There were reports saying different for sure. That Yabusele had to take less for us to get a full vet mini vs say McCullar 2nd year mini. Due to apron restraints we didn't have enough. That's what I was working with as a base line.

Yabu had to take a little less or signing the vet minimum would have put us over the hard cap which after using the TPMLE we are hardcapped at the top end of the 1st apron.

So Yabu taking a little less allows us to offer a full vet minimum deal. With a 2nd round cap hold salary for someone like Nnaji or the french kid we drafted in the 2nd round.

should be an instant fan favorite for that alone

[Jeff Van Gully]

also, don't be mad at him if he decline that option and get real bread next summer.

[mpharris36]

There were reports saying different for sure. That Yabusele had to take less for us to get a full vet mini vs say McCullar 2nd year mini. Due to apron restraints we didn't have enough. That's what I was working with as a base line.

Yabu had to take a little less or signing the vet minimum would have put us over the hard cap which after using the TPMLE we are hardcapped at the top end of the 1st apron.

So Yabu taking a little less allows us to offer a full vet minimum deal. With a 2nd round cap hold salary for someone like Nnaji or the french kid we drafted in the 2nd round.

should be an instant fan favorite for that alone

correct anyone not at the top end or someone that is guaranteed to have a long future with a team taking less fans should be extremely grateful. This certainly allows us flex to sign another vet FA to the mix so that is greatly appreciated with that flex since we are pressed right up against the 1st apron 2nd apron threshold and can't exceed it.

[mpharris36]

There were reports saying different for sure. That Yabusele had to take less for us to get a full vet mini vs say McCullar 2nd year mini. Due to apron restraints we didn't have enough. That's what I was working with as a base line.

Yabu had to take a little less or signing the vet minimum would have put us over the hard cap which after using the TPMLE we are hardcapped at the top end of the 1st apron.

So Yabu taking a little less allows us to offer a full vet minimum deal. With a 2nd round cap hold salary for someone like Nnaji or the french kid we drafted in the 2nd round.

Right. Ok. So we have enough now. That's all that matters to me. Two more roster moves and wait and see who the staff is.

The Mikal/Mitch extension stuff still looms pretty large...this regime really hasn't been interested in carrying a expiring contract into his final year without assurances they are hear for the long term because of the effects of a player leaving in FA and the Knicks operating as an over the 1st apron team really can't do much with cap space at that point.

So until we hear anything about those possible extensions (Mikal especially more than Mitch for what we traded) then there could be other moves potentially as well.

Knicks aren't going to let Mikal go into the season on an expiring deal. They got one of two options with him.

[Jalen Bluntson]

also, don't be mad at him if he decline that option and get real bread next summer.

The option is for next year? Damn. I thought was two years plus a player option. It's all about this season right now then. Let's win it all and who cares what happens next!!

[sol537]

Yabu had to take a little less or signing the vet minimum would have put us over the hard cap which after using the TPMLE we are hardcapped at the top end of the 1st apron.

So Yabu taking a little less allows us to offer a full vet minimum deal. With a 2nd round cap hold salary for someone like Nnaji or the french kid we drafted in the 2nd round.

Right. Ok. So we have enough now. That's all that matters to me. Two more roster moves and wait and see who the staff is.

The Mikal/Mitch extension stuff still looms pretty large...this regime really hasn't been interested in carrying a expiring contract into his final year without assurances they are hear for the long term because of the effects of a player leaving in FA and the Knicks operating as an over the 1st apron team really can't do much with cap space at that point.

So until we hear anything about those possible extensions (Mikal especially more than Mitch for what we traded) then there could be other moves potentially as well.

Knicks aren't going to let Mikal go into the season on an expiring deal. They got one of two options with him.

I'm quite sure that Mikal and Mitch will get extensions. 3 years or more each with final year player options potentially.

[mpharris36]

Right. Ok. So we have enough now. That's all that matters to me. Two more roster moves and wait and see who the staff is.

The Mikal/Mitch extension stuff still looms pretty large...this regime really hasn't been interested in carrying a expiring contract into his final year without assurances they are hear for the long term because of the effects of a player leaving in FA and the Knicks operating as an over the 1st apron team really can't do much with cap space at that point.

So until we hear anything about those possible extensions (Mikal especially more than Mitch for what we traded) then there could be other moves potentially as well.

Knicks aren't going to let Mikal go into the season on an expiring deal. They got one of two options with him.

I'm quite sure that Mikal and Mitch will get extensions. 3 years or more each with final year player options potentially.

Knicks could be trying to play some hard ball and getting some more flex on the extensions (every dollar probably helps us stay under the 2nd apron in the future) when Mikal might think if he's already taking less then his full max would be next year (like OG did) then I should still get my full extension this offseason.

[sol537]

The Mikal/Mitch extension stuff still looms pretty large...this regime really hasn't been interested in carrying a expiring contract into his final year without assurances they are hear for the long term because of the effects of a player leaving in FA and the Knicks operating as an over the 1st apron team really can't do much with cap space at that point.

So until we hear anything about those possible extensions (Mikal especially more than Mitch for what we traded) then there could be other moves potentially as well.

Knicks aren't going to let Mikal go into the season on an expiring deal. They got one of two options with him.

I'm quite sure that Mikal and Mitch will get extensions. 3 years or more each with final year player options potentially.

Knicks could be trying to play some hard ball and getting some more flex on the extensions (every dollar probably helps us stay under the 2nd apron in the future) when Mikal might think if he's already taking less then his full max would be next year (like OG did) then I should still get my full extension this offseason.

Extensions: Mikal at 4 years, $32m starting seems pretty fair (4th year player option) and then Mitch at 3 years (3rd year team option), $11m starting also seems pretty fair in today's market. Both would become easily tradable contracts for value IMO.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Yabu had to take a little less or signing the vet minimum would have put us over the hard cap which after using the TPMLE we are hardcapped at the top end of the 1st apron.

So Yabu taking a little less allows us to offer a full vet minimum deal. With a 2nd round cap hold salary for someone like Nnaji or the french kid we drafted in the 2nd round.

Right. Ok. So we have enough now. That's all that matters to me. Two more roster moves and wait and see who the staff is.

The Mikal/Mitch extension stuff still looms pretty large...this regime really hasn't been interested in carrying a expiring contract into his final year without assurances they are hear for the long term because of the effects of a player leaving in FA and the Knicks operating as an over the 1st apron team really can't do much with cap space at that point.

So until we hear anything about those possible extensions (Mikal especially more than Mitch for what we traded) then there could be other moves potentially as well.

Knicks aren't going to let Mikal go into the season on an expiring deal. They got one of two options with him.

Yeah i mentioned them earlier. I have to hope they are not dumb enough to give up all those picks for a one year rental trade chip. I think they sign him at some point. It's a price point issue now.

Mitch needs to stay healthy if he wants an extension anywhere in the league. We will eventually go over the 2nd apron at some point.

[mpharris36]

I'm quite sure that Mikal and Mitch will get extensions. 3 years or more each with final year player options potentially.

Knicks could be trying to play some hard ball and getting some more flex on the extensions (every dollar probably helps us stay under the 2nd apron in the future) when Mikal might think if he's already taking less then his full max would be next year (like OG did) then I should still get my full extension this offseason.

Extensions: Mikal at 4 years, $32m starting seems pretty fair (4th year player option) and then Mitch at 3 years (3rd year team option), $11m starting also seems pretty fair in today's market. Both would become easily tradable contracts for value IMO.

It could be "fair". But he is also eligible for 4 years 156 MM right now...whats his incentive to take less? If he waits until next year he would be eligible for basically the OG contract. The Knicks wouldn't risk that but your asking him to take less already when signing the full extension is already him taking less.

[sol537]

There was a rumor that Mikal, like Brunson, would accept a less than his max deal. Hoping that holds true…

[kNicksGmen]

Knicks could be trying to play some hard ball and getting some more flex on the extensions (every dollar probably helps us stay under the 2nd apron in the future) when Mikal might think if he's already taking less then his full max would be next year (like OG did) then I should still get my full extension this offseason.

Extensions: Mikal at 4 years, $32m starting seems pretty fair (4th year player option) and then Mitch at 3 years (3rd year team option), $11m starting also seems pretty fair in today's market. Both would become easily tradable contracts for value IMO.

It could be "fair". But he is also eligible for 4 years 156 MM right now...whats his incentive to take less? If he waits until next year he would be eligible for basically the OG contract. The Knicks wouldn't risk that but your asking him to take less already when signing the full extension is already him taking less.

The incentive to take less would be risk/reward - is there a team willing to give him more as a free agent? Maybe but it's a risk.
I've read it could actually benefit the knicks to have a handshake deal with him to have more flexibility this upcoming offseason (to wait until then to re-sign him)

Not sure what you mean "asking him to take less already" - there is no guarantee he is worth a max so I would not view it as "taking less" if he took the full extension. especially these days in this new CBA - the idea that "less than the absolute max you can get by waiting a year and another team having the cap to do it" is not something I would consider a discount - for any player outside of like the top 8-12 maybe. What is bridges? top 40 maybe?

[Jeff Van Gully]

also, don't be mad at him if he decline that option and get real bread next summer.

The option is for next year? Damn. I thought was two years plus a player option. It's all about this season right now then. Let's win it all and who cares what happens next!!

I mean, I’m a fan of dude but don’t look at him as a must-have. This is really his best and probably last chance to get a birkin. He plays well on a winner and somebody will Hartenstein him.

If he’s back for the second year of these terms, something went wrong for both sides.