Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Rollins Back, 3/$12 million

[JayMKE]

I mentioned Simmons before, I think his wing defense and distributing would be valuable. Maybe playing with a guy like Giannis would light a fire under his ass too.

[Badgerlander]

We got any spots/money left for a SF that doesn't suck?

KPjr/Rollins
Trent/Green/Harris
Kuzma/Prince/Jackson
Giannis/Smith/Bogo
Turner/Portis/Sims

One spot left for CP3 or maybe Bones Hyland? Could sign Cody Martin but another ball handler would be ideal.

Still think we should try and get in on the Kings/Warriors trade for Kuminga and try to pry Devin Carter, Keon Ellis, and either Keegan Murray or Malik Monk for Kuz+Andre+1st. Maybe we get some second rounders in the deal. With Keegan I’m more willing to include a protected first but with Monk I wouldn’t want to. Idk something like that.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

We got any spots/money left for a SF that doesn't suck?

KPjr/Rollins
Trent/Green/Harris
Kuzma/Prince/Jackson
Giannis/Smith/Bogo
Turner/Portis/Sims

One spot left for CP3 or maybe Bones Hyland? Could sign Cody Martin but another ball handler would be ideal.

Still think we should try and get in on the Kings/Warriors trade for Kuminga and try to pry Devin Carter, Keon Ellis, and either Keegan Murray or Malik Monk for Kuz+Andre+1st. Maybe we get some second rounders in the deal. With Keegan I’m more willing to include a protected first but with Monk I wouldn’t want to. Idk something like that.

I wonder how the Bucks feel about Smith and Jackson. Do they like them enough to keep a roster spot open for them?
-Smith is weird since he is guaranteed (?) for the next 2 years. He will be 21 at the start of the season and Bucks probably have some idea on if he has any chance at ever being a rotational player. He seemed to regress last year with the Herd, which isnt a great sign.
-Jackson is only partially guaranteed. Going to be 24 and despite starting a lot of games, he didnt really do much. He doesn't fit with Giannis and they tried hiding him in the dunkers spot but isnt strong enough just to go up and score from there. Decent 3% on extremely low volume.

Maybe it is a numbers game where they dont want to sign another vet and have someone pissed they arent getting minutes, but I would drop them immediately if we needed a spot for Beal, Paul, Midds, Simmons, etc.

[MVP2110]

We got any spots/money left for a SF that doesn't suck?

KPjr/Rollins
Trent/Green/Harris
Kuzma/Prince/Jackson
Giannis/Smith/Bogo
Turner/Portis/Sims

One spot left for CP3 or maybe Bones Hyland? Could sign Cody Martin but another ball handler would be ideal.

Still think we should try and get in on the Kings/Warriors trade for Kuminga and try to pry Devin Carter, Keon Ellis, and either Keegan Murray or Malik Monk for Kuz+Andre+1st. Maybe we get some second rounders in the deal. With Keegan I’m more willing to include a protected first but with Monk I wouldn’t want to. Idk something like that.

I wonder how the Bucks feel about Smith and Jackson. Do they like them enough to keep a roster spot open for them?
-Smith is weird since he is guaranteed (?) for the next 2 years. He will be 21 at the start of the season and Bucks probably have some idea on if he has any chance at ever being a rotational player. He seemed to regress last year with the Herd, which isnt a great sign.
-Jackson is only partially guaranteed. Going to be 24 and despite starting a lot of games, he didnt really do much. He doesn't fit with Giannis and they tried hiding him in the dunkers spot but isnt strong enough just to go up and score from there. Decent 3% on extremely low volume.

Maybe it is a numbers game where they dont want to sign another vet and have someone pissed they arent getting minutes, but I would drop them immediately if we needed a spot for Beal, Paul, Midds, Simmons, etc.

Atleast when it comes to Ajax I think their actions show they like him yet. They could have waived Ajax to help clear cap space for Turner but they have chosen to keep him on his current deal

[raferfenix]

I don't think this is what happened but it's not impossible GTJ was told he'd likely be the starting SF as part of persuading him to sign for less than KPJ and about the same as Rollins.

Otherwise if we are bringing on another veteran guard who expects minutes someone will be the odd man out (albeit before injuries strike).

That's especially if it'd be a SG type like Beal or Brogdon vs a player equipped to guard PG's.

Having at least 1 traditional 2-way SF (Prince is a PF) is a much bigger hole.

[raferfenix]

If the Kings bring on Westbrook in addition to Schroder their backcourt becomes awfully crowded while they remain extremely thin up front.

Bucks definitely don't need Monk but he's the most clear odd man out to bring in a forward like Kuminga or Kuzma.

Devin Carter reportedly was the core incentive offered up (idk if there's a team valuing Monk's current deal) which makes sense if Russ/Schroder are taking all the PG minutes. If the Bucks were to end up with Carter I imagine we'd shift Rollins to the 2

Otherwise as it stands the Kings' roster is something like:

PG: Schroder, Devin Carter
SG: LaVine, Monk, Nique Clifford (2025 draft pick)
SF: DeRozan, Keon Ellis
PF: Murray
C: Sabonis, Saric

[drone3]

We got any spots/money left for a SF that doesn't suck?

KPjr/Rollins
Trent/Green/Harris
Kuzma/Prince/Jackson
Giannis/Smith/Bogo
Turner/Portis/Sims

One spot left for CP3 or maybe Bones Hyland? Could sign Cody Martin but another ball handler would be ideal.

Still think we should try and get in on the Kings/Warriors trade for Kuminga and try to pry Devin Carter, Keon Ellis, and either Keegan Murray or Malik Monk for Kuz+Andre+1st. Maybe we get some second rounders in the deal. With Keegan I’m more willing to include a protected first but with Monk I wouldn’t want to. Idk something like that.

If we end up getting stuck with Kuz I think he's much better as a backup for Giannis. If he's shot comes back he can play with Giannis otherwise surround Kuz with shooters

Rollins / Green / Prince / Kuz / Portis

[Coach Carter]

Just one thing left to do regarding Doc n Kuzma

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

personally i want another look at kuzma before we dump him. this upcoming season is the perfect time to see if he can rehab a little and moving him next offseason with the picks that will be available to us makes a dumptruck more sense than trying to scrap something together now. we have plenty of solid options in the rotation and the buyout season if he doesnt work out

[ReasonablySober]

The experts have spoken.

Kram: If the Bucks and new addition Myles Turner aren't firmly in contention by Christmas, there might be a whole lot of regrets in Milwaukee. Waiving and stretching Lillard, and thereby hamstringing Milwaukee's financial flexibility for the next half-decade, will pay off only if the Bucks can win now. They might not be able to, despite their strong frontcourt, because their perimeter talent is so weak.

Marks: The Lillard waiver, but for a different reason. We can all agree that waiving and then stretching the $113 million owed to Lillard was the last option the Bucks had to improve their roster. We can debate the process on how Milwaukee spent the $27 million in available cap space on one player, Turner. For a team starved for depth (and also in need of a starting point guard), wouldn't it have been better served to open up room before June 30 and then split up the money on three players, not just one?

Herring: In the wake of the Bucks waiving Lillard, I'm still waiting for them to make something happen at point guard. Yes, they have Kevin Porter Jr., but he is not enough if you're trying to sell the notion of title contention to Giannis Antetokounmpo. It's not clear what type of deal it would take, but Chris Paul would be a great fit if the Bucks can somehow swing it.

[raferfenix]

personally i want another look at kuzma before we dump him. this upcoming season is the perfect time to see if he can rehab a little and moving him next offseason with the picks that will be available to us makes a dumptruck more sense than trying to scrap something together now. we have plenty of solid options in the rotation if he doesnt work out

I also wonder whether this is Horst and Doc’s posture.

The team could still use athletes if only for the regular season slog.

That’s part of where I could see the Bucks being interested in a similar fitting upgrade like Kuminga.

Meanwhile Dalton Sell thinks the Bucks would be the ones to add incentive for a Monk for Kuzma swap which I have a very hard time seeing — as opposed to Monk going elsewhere and the Bucks getting a young defender with upside in Devin Carter if that’d be possible:

https://behindthebuckpass.com/bucks-best-move-summer-phone-suggestion

[Badgerlander]

We got any spots/money left for a SF that doesn't suck?

KPjr/Rollins
Trent/Green/Harris
Kuzma/Prince/Jackson
Giannis/Smith/Bogo
Turner/Portis/Sims

One spot left for CP3 or maybe Bones Hyland? Could sign Cody Martin but another ball handler would be ideal.

Still think we should try and get in on the Kings/Warriors trade for Kuminga and try to pry Devin Carter, Keon Ellis, and either Keegan Murray or Malik Monk for Kuz+Andre+1st. Maybe we get some second rounders in the deal. With Keegan I’m more willing to include a protected first but with Monk I wouldn’t want to. Idk something like that.

I wonder how the Bucks feel about Smith and Jackson. Do they like them enough to keep a roster spot open for them?
-Smith is weird since he is guaranteed (?) for the next 2 years. He will be 21 at the start of the season and Bucks probably have some idea on if he has any chance at ever being a rotational player. He seemed to regress last year with the Herd, which isnt a great sign.
-Jackson is only partially guaranteed. Going to be 24 and despite starting a lot of games, he didnt really do much. He doesn't fit with Giannis and they tried hiding him in the dunkers spot but isnt strong enough just to go up and score from there. Decent 3% on extremely low volume.

Maybe it is a numbers game where they dont want to sign another vet and have someone pissed they arent getting minutes, but I would drop them immediately if we needed a spot for Beal, Paul, Midds, Simmons, etc.

I think Smith is a little bigger version of Kuz. Regression for a non ball handler in the g league with a grain of salt. Huge opportunity for him here and he can play SF/PF/small ball center. He is clueless on the defensive end aside from help shot blocking at the rim. He doesn’t turn 21 until november and with bigs that rely on guards to create for them it takes longer to develop especially if they aren’t paired up with an experienced guard. Remember the lightbulb didn’t turn on for Larry Sanders until he was 25. I certainly wouldn’t throw Smith away at a huge position of need.

Andre is a rebuilt jumper and finishing off the dribble away from being an amazing player. No clue why he hasn’t worked with a guy like Brickley in the offseason. I still love his defense but I understand why a coach would give him a quick hook. I think he is a guy that could turn it around with a change of scenery, and I think he still has value from his college career and his insane athletic bounce and defense.

We don’t need to drop either though because we have a spot open. Gary Harris is the first guy that I cut on this roster. Once we cut him I think he is out of the league.

[MikeIsGood]

Yeah...no. Get Kuzma the hell out of Milwaukee, man.

[Badgerlander]

Kuminga and Kuz lol

[Badgerlander]

I really don’t want Monk’s contract. Maybe we just offer a 1st for Devin Carter?

[PG Graveyard]

I’m not sure how stretching Dame ruined our financial flexibility for 5 years when it very clearly opened things up for 2 years which was the whole **** point. This people are either stupid or lying

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

personally i want another look at kuzma before we dump him. this upcoming season is the perfect time to see if he can rehab a little and moving him next offseason with the picks that will be available to us makes a dumptruck more sense than trying to scrap something together now. we have plenty of solid options in the rotation if he doesnt work out

I also wonder whether this is Horst and Doc’s posture.

The team could still use athletes if only for the regular season slog.

That’s part of where I could see the Bucks being interested in a similar fitting upgrade like Kuminga.

Meanwhile Dalton Sell thinks the Bucks would be the ones to add incentive for a Monk for Kuzma swap which I have a very hard time seeing — as opposed to Monk going elsewhere and the Bucks getting a young defender with upside in Devin Carter if that’d be possible:

https://behindthebuckpass.com/bucks-best-move-summer-phone-suggestion

yeah...if they cant slam dunk a move now then i think they wouldnt want to give up so fast after all they said at the time of the acquisition. i think we/they all know the move didnt pan out as hoped for but that doesnt mean he cant platoon some minutes with prince when we arent going small either. he can guard damn near 1-5. there has to be a place for him on this roster with the speed and athleticism were trying to go for and his impact defensively as "the big wing" even if his efficiency and 3ball isnt there.

but if he could hit just a little bit better from 3 this year like some of his previous seasons....accept a role of not being a gunning "supastah type" offensive guy in our system..... then dang hes kind of a solid fit with everything else for what were trying to do.

if the guys like him in the lockerroom i say we just cross our fingers one last time and just get behind him. even if he sucks again his value will be growing each and every day until hes an expiring next year is the main point

[Ron Swanson]

Herring makes a valid point, but lol at those other two because of course that's their (sponsored by ESPN) take. Gee, would it have been better to use that stretched cap space to sign a few JAG, sub mid-level rotation players or one really good, fringe All-Star caliber Center on a bargain contract? Moron.

[PG Graveyard]

Herring makes a valid point, but lol at those other two because of course that's their (sponsored by ESPN) take. Gee, would it have been better to use that stretched cap space to sign a few JAG, sub mid-level rotation players or one really good, fringe All-Star caliber Center on a bargain contract? Moron.

Also Turner is probably the best fit as a center next to Giannis outside of maybe Wemby. One thing to add about financial flexibility…isn’t the whole point of the flexibility to sign guys like Turner while opening up space to sign the rest of the roster?

[engelmartin]

It’s funny to me that the “experts” never identify our roster’s actual glaring problem, which is that we don’t have a small forward.