Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Rollins Back, 3/$12 million

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

I’m not sure how stretching Dame ruined our financial flexibility for 5 years when it very clearly opened things up for 2 years which was the whole **** point. This people are either stupid or lying

it was literally the ONLY way to compete now with giannis. and personally i love the way we look in the east especially....but if we do have to start over imagine what kind of deals we could put together next year with his contract vs dames if we have a fire sale.

dame we werent gonna have alot of options and we def werent gonna get picks if we moved him. turner would be highly coveted at an age and with a contract that basically 25 teams would pick up the phone. with an actual rebuild who cares whatsoever about the stretch.

it makes sense no matter which way you go. the media are dumbasses

[Turk Nowitzki]

Are we going to make this Myles Turner signing official today or what?

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

I’m not sure how stretching Dame ruined our financial flexibility for 5 years when it very clearly opened things up for 2 years which was the whole **** point. This people are either stupid or lying

our entire effing roster now has bird rights. next offseason we'll have kuzma and 3 firsts and multiple swaps to deal. add most likely a full NTP MLE.

we hurt our ability to do what exactly? is the media worried about the owners spending their money?

[Ron Swanson]

I can't imagine if the Kings were really dangling a freshly minted lottery pick (Carter), that Golden State wouldn't have found a way to get a sign and trade done by now for Kuminga. Wonder if we're still trying to turn the Turner signing into a sign-and-trade so that we can open up the full MLE and offer it to Beal once he's bought out. I don't see any other way he'd be coming here otherwise.

[tydett]

I can't imagine if the Kings were really dangling a freshly minted lottery pick (Carter), that Golden State wouldn't have found a way to get a sign and trade done by now for Kuminga. Wonder if we're still trying to turn the Turner signing into a sign-and-trade so that we can open up the full MLE and offer it to Beal once he's bought out. I don't see any other way he'd be coming here otherwise.

Probably helps that the Bucks worked with Herb Simon on a S&T for Brogdon back in the day. Would think that engenders some good will, even despite some of the on court animosity between the teams.

[FrieAaron]

We're much more ruined financially this season with Dame's contract and very likely next season as well.

[GoldenAntlers]

The experts have spoken.

Kram: If the Bucks and new addition Myles Turner aren't firmly in contention by Christmas, there might be a whole lot of regrets in Milwaukee. Waiving and stretching Lillard, and thereby hamstringing Milwaukee's financial flexibility for the next half-decade, will pay off only if the Bucks can win now. They might not be able to, despite their strong frontcourt, because their perimeter talent is so weak.

Marks: The Lillard waiver, but for a different reason. We can all agree that waiving and then stretching the $113 million owed to Lillard was the last option the Bucks had to improve their roster. We can debate the process on how Milwaukee spent the $27 million in available cap space on one player, Turner. For a team starved for depth (and also in need of a starting point guard), wouldn't it have been better served to open up room before June 30 and then split up the money on three players, not just one?

Herring: In the wake of the Bucks waiving Lillard, I'm still waiting for them to make something happen at point guard. Yes, they have Kevin Porter Jr., but he is not enough if you're trying to sell the notion of title contention to Giannis Antetokounmpo. It's not clear what type of deal it would take, but Chris Paul would be a great fit if the Bucks can somehow swing it.

Gonna be funny when the Bucks are the 2 or 3 seed all year.

[Licensed to Il]

People (media) lamenting about stretching Dame were not watching Bucks games, and are overlooking that his injury would have rendered the next two years an impossible situation for the Bucks to win and retain Giannis.

Now there is nothing even close to a guarantee that signing M Turner and opening up some space for young guys (like Rollins, Porter Jr, Green) will lead to playoff games and Giannis staying. But at least there is a path.

I know you guys get that. Im salty no one else does.

[Ron Swanson]

Like, Marks would actually have a valid criticism if what he implied as an alternative scenario actually happened. Could you imagine if we waived/stretched Dame just to sign Clint Capela, Luke Kennard, and Tyus Jones with cap space? That'd be the dumbest, most short-sighted offseason plan I could possibly imagine. They don't waive/stretch Dame if Myles Turner isn't verbally committing to signing here.

[Garbs_7]

Beal to the Bucks now that Miami have added a similar scoring SG in Powell?

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

People (media) lamenting about stretching Dame were not watching Bucks games, and are overlooking that his injury would have rendered the next two years an impossible situation for the Bucks to win and retain Giannis.

Now there is nothing even close to a guarantee that signing M Turner and opening up some space for young guys (like Rollins, Porter Jr, Green) will lead to playoff games and Giannis staying. But at least there is a path.

I know you guys get that. Im salty no one else does.

i just posted this on the general board and im kinda proud of it. gonna repost it here in response

Giannis will be why Myles Turner becomes an all-star for the first time in his career. Once it happens, Myles needs to he flipped for assets.

its an option!

after this offseason the entirety of our much younger deeper modern roster now has bird rights.

this year we actually get to unleash giannis but also.....DEVELOP some guys and potentially REHAB others. wow what a concept it will be to play modern fast young athletic basketball with lots of people moving, shooting, and guarding alongside giannis instead of standing still watching dame take turns with giannis except for when khris felt good enough to play an old gimpy standstill 3rd banana in that awful outdated system we along with an ancient stationary brook lopez had to watch.

next offseason we'll have a very moveable expiring kuzma with 3 firsts and multiple swaps to deal. add most likely a full NTP MLE. a total of 75 million in very moveable even valuable contracts with portis and turners deals as well as the kuzma expring.

by stretching dame we hurt our ability to do what exactly?

is it our owners money people are worried about? do they think we should have punted two full seasons with dame to save peanuts in years 3-5? punt this season for sure and then try for a hail mary pass move next year with dames freaking 60 million expring that we would have probably had to attach picks just to get off of?

i cant understand how anybody doesnt see this as a home run for us. like literally a total freaking home run. our goal is to win a title. we have a better shot this year as constructed then we did either of the last two. no more investment in old hurt overpaid used to bes. should be exciting.

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and if it all fails and giannis demands out(which at this point is unlikely for forever)... then turner goes out in a different move. we get even more picks. who cares about the stretch then either. it helps us get to a salary floor. only thing we give up is being able to absorb bad money and 2nd rounders from teams trying to dump cash. boo freaking hoo

[sidney lanier]

Ryan Rollins re-signing a steal
The backcourt has youth and appeal
In an East that's wide open
We have guards to have hope in
Now if only we get Bradley somebody

How ironic would it be if Beal turned out to be the Dame we thought we were getting?

Fun fact: Oscar Robertson was 32 when he joined the Bucks. Bradley Beal is 32.

[rayallenscalves]

Beal to the Bucks now that Miami have added a similar scoring SG in Powell?

That was my thought. Miami now has Herro, Powell and Rozier (oof). Not sure where Beal would fit in there.

[PG Graveyard]

Beal to the Bucks now that Miami have added a similar scoring SG in Powell?

He makes virtually no sense in Miami anymore that’s for sure.

[Frank Nova]

If Kevin Love, Kyle Anderson and a 2nd round pick can be the 3rd team involved with John Collins and Norman Powell, I’d imagine that Kyle Kuzma probably has similar value? I would’ve traded Kuzma for any 3 of those packages although straight up for John Collins wouldn’t have made sense at this point. I would’ve thought Powell had more value but this trade is probably good overall as a reference point to get something useful back in a Kuzma trade.

Again, if Love, Slow Mo and a 2nd gets you Norm Powell then Kuzma, Ajax/AJG and the 2031 1st must have greater than or equal value to each other you’d have to imagine.

Kuzma for Norm Powell would’ve been a really good trade for Milwaukee. I wondered if it was even floated around? Clippers couldn’t love John Collins all that much more right?

[Garbs_7]

Ahh yeah sounds like Beal to the Clippers, maybe CP3 too. Damn they have made a few nice moves

[Matches Malone]

I just hope the Turner signing delay is due to procedural process or possible sign-and-trade. The longer it takes the more I fill my head with scenarios of Pacers players pulling a coup on Myles Turner getting him to switch on us like DeAndre Jordan did to Cuban and the Mavs.

[ReasonablySober]

If Kevin Love, Kyle Anderson and a 2nd round pick can be the 3rd team involved with John Collins and Norman Powell, I’d imagine that Kyle Kuzma probably has similar value? I would’ve traded Kuzma for any 3 of those packages although straight up for John Collins wouldn’t have made sense at this point. I would’ve thought Powell had more value but this trade is probably good overall as a reference point to get something useful back in a Kuzma trade.

Again, if Love, Slow Mo and a 2nd gets you Norm Powell then Kuzma, Ajax/AJG and the 2031 1st must have greater than or equal value to each other you’d have to imagine.

Kuzma for Norm Powell would’ve been a really good trade for Milwaukee. I wondered if it was even floated around? Clippers couldn’t love John Collins all that much more right?

Collins is an expiring contract and Anderson's salary is non-guaranteed in '26. That's a much better package than Kuzma's corpse hanging over the books a season from now.

[Frank Nova]

If Kevin Love, Kyle Anderson and a 2nd round pick can be the 3rd team involved with John Collins and Norman Powell, I’d imagine that Kyle Kuzma probably has similar value? I would’ve traded Kuzma for any 3 of those packages although straight up for John Collins wouldn’t have made sense at this point. I would’ve thought Powell had more value but this trade is probably good overall as a reference point to get something useful back in a Kuzma trade.

Again, if Love, Slow Mo and a 2nd gets you Norm Powell then Kuzma, Ajax/AJG and the 2031 1st must have greater than or equal value to each other you’d have to imagine.

Kuzma for Norm Powell would’ve been a really good trade for Milwaukee. I wondered if it was even floated around? Clippers couldn’t love John Collins all that much more right?

Collins is an expiring contract and Anderson's salary is non-guaranteed in '26. That's a much better package than Kuzma's corpse hanging over the books a season from now.

I have to disagree here. Love was a 4m expiring which is peanuts and Anderson is a non guaranteed 9m plus the 2nd round pick in 2027. They got essentially nothing for Collins other than not having to employ him this season. That type of package doesn’t help the Bucks situation with Kuzma, I think I’d rather have Kuzma over that and I hate Kuzma. Norm Powell was the winning piece for Milwaukee here, I just can’t agree it’s a “much better package” than Kuzma plus from Milwaukee.

[raferfenix]

Who else is concerned Beal might take away from what could be an unselfish athletic scrappy hard nosed defensive minded culture we'd otherwise develop?