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[Licensed to Il]

Who else is concerned Beal might take away from what could be an unselfish athletic scrappy hard nosed defensive minded culture we'd otherwise develop?

I don’t want Beal. Exactly for reasons you write. I think a roster can win with meh defensive guys as long as they are effort defenders. What kills a scheme is low effort defenders. I think we can field a surprisingly good defense with Turner, Giannis, and another strong, bouncy, wing. Beal is a good offensive player, but I’d rather those minutes go to young, hungry guys (obviously I do think we need more talent).

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Who else is concerned Beal might take away from what could be an unselfish athletic scrappy hard nosed defensive minded culture we'd otherwise develop?

no interest in beal. or cp3. or lowry for that matter.

the only thing worse than chasing guys who literally cant run anymore is pursuing guys who can run...but dont...or wont...and mock you for asking.

alot of these names guys some want here are just that...names. we need to go out a develop our own names. new names.

[midranger]

Having a three level backcourt scorer who can be a secondary ball handler off the bench would be amazing. I’m not sure Beal would sign on for that though.

[BigO]

personally i want another look at kuzma before we dump him. this upcoming season is the perfect time to see if he can rehab a little and moving him next offseason with the picks that will be available to us makes a dumptruck more sense than trying to scrap something together now. we have plenty of solid options in the rotation if he doesnt work out

I also wonder whether this is Horst and Doc’s posture.

The team could still use athletes if only for the regular season slog.

That’s part of where I could see the Bucks being interested in a similar fitting upgrade like Kuminga.

Meanwhile Dalton Sell thinks the Bucks would be the ones to add incentive for a Monk for Kuzma swap which I have a very hard time seeing — as opposed to Monk going elsewhere and the Bucks getting a young defender with upside in Devin Carter if that’d be possible:

https://behindthebuckpass.com/bucks-best-move-summer-phone-suggestion

I sure hope Horst isn't waiting to "rehab" Kuzma. He wasn't any different last year than he has always been, which is a low BBIQ chucker. While he may be marginally better, he could also be worse.

The only way Kuzma can be of any use is if Doc asks him to concentrate on defense and rebounding, limit the number of shots he takes and take care of the ball. That's not going to happen.

[BigO]

Ryan Rollins re-signing a steal
The backcourt has youth and appeal
In an East that's wide open
We have guards to have hope in
Now if only we get Bradley somebody

How ironic would it be if Beal turned out to be the Dame we thought we were getting?

Fun fact: Oscar Robertson was 32 when he joined the Bucks. Bradley Beal is 32.

Another fun fact: BB is no BigO.

[M-C-G]

personally i want another look at kuzma before we dump him. this upcoming season is the perfect time to see if he can rehab a little and moving him next offseason with the picks that will be available to us makes a dumptruck more sense than trying to scrap something together now. we have plenty of solid options in the rotation if he doesnt work out

I also wonder whether this is Horst and Doc’s posture.

The team could still use athletes if only for the regular season slog.

That’s part of where I could see the Bucks being interested in a similar fitting upgrade like Kuminga.

Meanwhile Dalton Sell thinks the Bucks would be the ones to add incentive for a Monk for Kuzma swap which I have a very hard time seeing — as opposed to Monk going elsewhere and the Bucks getting a young defender with upside in Devin Carter if that’d be possible:

https://behindthebuckpass.com/bucks-best-move-summer-phone-suggestion

I sure hope Horst isn't waiting to "rehab" Kuzma. He wasn't any different last year than he has always been, which is a low BBIQ chucker. While he may be marginally better, he could also be worse.

The only way Kuzma can be of any use is if Doc asks him to concentrate on defense and rebounding, limit the number of shots he takes and take care of the ball. That's not going to happen.

Chucker gets thrown around a lot, especially for a guy that had 21% USG which was 9th on the team. That said, I’m all aboard moving him (and the first) for a young fast SF

[BigO]

I also wonder whether this is Horst and Doc’s posture.

The team could still use athletes if only for the regular season slog.

That’s part of where I could see the Bucks being interested in a similar fitting upgrade like Kuminga.

Meanwhile Dalton Sell thinks the Bucks would be the ones to add incentive for a Monk for Kuzma swap which I have a very hard time seeing — as opposed to Monk going elsewhere and the Bucks getting a young defender with upside in Devin Carter if that’d be possible:

https://behindthebuckpass.com/bucks-best-move-summer-phone-suggestion

I sure hope Horst isn't waiting to "rehab" Kuzma. He wasn't any different last year than he has always been, which is a low BBIQ chucker. While he may be marginally better, he could also be worse.

The only way Kuzma can be of any use is if Doc asks him to concentrate on defense and rebounding, limit the number of shots he takes and take care of the ball. That's not going to happen.

Chucker gets thrown around a lot, especially for a guy that had 21% USG which was 9th on the team. That said, I’m all aboard moving him (and the first) for a young fast SF

Chucker to me is a guy who takes bad shots. Unfortunately, for Kuzma, that includes almost every shot. He needs to stick to filling the lanes and work on finishing.

[humanrefutation]

I'm just not motivated to dump Kuzma this offseason if we have to attach an asset to make it happen.

Of course, if there's a credible move out there for a better player than Kuz, I'm open to it.

[M-C-G]

I think there is a deal to be had with SAC or NOP

SAC Kuz, AJJ (although I could see GS wanting him as a cheap Gary Payton type), 31 1st, rights to Bogo
MKE Murray, Saric, Carter or Davis

NOP Kuz, AJG, AJJ, some kind of swap or 31 1st
MKE Murphy

Then sign Beal

PG KPJ, Rollins
SG Beal, GTJ
SF Murphy, Prince
PF Giannis, Portis
C Turner, Sims

[slos]

I would love to buy low Cam Thomas. Same agent with Giannis, still no agreement with Brooklyn, doesn’t seem to have a market.

[raferfenix]

The Kuzma trade was a victory no matter what since we don't get Turner without it.

Bucks at this point should know whether Kuz is focusing his summer workouts on finishing better at the rim, hitting open 3's, and using his athleticism on defense + the boards -- or if he sees the lack of a clear pecking order offensively as his time to put up some ppgz.

That could be the difference between dropping Kuzma asap as a definitive priority vs being able to ride it out if only to the deadline so that the last year of his contract (with descending dollars) comes in sight on the trade market.

Either way Doc also could just bench him. But that's the problem.

As it stands Kuzma is probably Doc's starting SF.

[SirChurros]

I think there is a deal to be had with SAC or NOP

SAC Kuz, AJJ (although I could see GS wanting him as a cheap Gary Payton type), 31 1st, rights to Bogo
MKE Murray, Saric, Carter or Davis

NOP Kuz, AJG, AJJ, some kind of swap or 31 1st
MKE Murphy

Then sign Beal

PG KPJ, Rollins
SG Beal, GTJ
SF Murphy, Prince
PF Giannis, Portis
C Turner, Sims

If the Pelicans go for that deal, it’s a no brainer.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

attaching the pick for kuzma should only be done if another SF is available who is better. otherwise whats the point?

the roster is practically stacked at other positions with solid guys expected to get solid minutes. hes efficient offensively but he does fill a position of need and is a general fit for the style of play we want. hes also the ultimate counter option for prince if giannis is sitting and hes with the 2nd unit and were looking for rebounding and size and somebody to "make something happen with the ball". that 2nd unit sort of needs a chucker imo.

i say we just platoon the dudes until something obvious becomes available or we have a mountain of additional stuff to move next summer on his expiring.

[Daver]

I sure hope Horst isn't waiting to "rehab" Kuzma. He wasn't any different last year than he has always been, which is a low BBIQ chucker. While he may be marginally better, he could also be worse.

The only way Kuzma can be of any use is if Doc asks him to concentrate on defense and rebounding, limit the number of shots he takes and take care of the ball. That's not going to happen.

Chucker gets thrown around a lot, especially for a guy that had 21% USG which was 9th on the team. That said, I’m all aboard moving him (and the first) for a young fast SF

Chucker to me is a guy who takes bad shots. Unfortunately, for Kuzma, that includes almost every shot. He needs to stick to filling the lanes and work on finishing.

Then i guess all tbe buck shooters are were chuckers yes lopez/green/trent/ rollins/ etc cause all shooters take sh.. shots.

[M-C-G]

I think there is a deal to be had with SAC or NOP

SAC Kuz, AJJ (although I could see GS wanting him as a cheap Gary Payton type), 31 1st, rights to Bogo
MKE Murray, Saric, Carter or Davis

NOP Kuz, AJG, AJJ, some kind of swap or 31 1st
MKE Murphy

Then sign Beal

PG KPJ, Rollins
SG Beal, GTJ
SF Murphy, Prince
PF Giannis, Portis
C Turner, Sims

If the Pelicans go for that deal, it’s a no brainer.

I’d do a similar deal for Herb Jones too. Kuz/31 1st for Herb/Alvarado

[BucksFanSD]

I'm thinking Beal goes to the Clippers shortly based on today's trade. Although possible he signs here.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

I sure hope Horst isn't waiting to "rehab" Kuzma. He wasn't any different last year than he has always been, which is a low BBIQ chucker. While he may be marginally better, he could also be worse.

The only way Kuzma can be of any use is if Doc asks him to concentrate on defense and rebounding, limit the number of shots he takes and take care of the ball. That's not going to happen.

Chucker gets thrown around a lot, especially for a guy that had 21% USG which was 9th on the team. That said, I’m all aboard moving him (and the first) for a young fast SF

Chucker to me is a guy who takes bad shots. Unfortunately, for Kuzma, that includes almost every shot. He needs to stick to filling the lanes and work on finishing.

he shot significantly less often and had better efficiency last year than bobby portis.

whats been your take on bobby? is bobby a chucker?

[emunney]

What else would you need to get back in a trade sending Kuzma and Dre out and bringing back Jerami Grant and his scourge of a contract (~10m more than Kuz with an extra year in the form of a PO)?

[-Jragon-]

I think when you look at the "experts" opinion, it's based in ignorance in that what we did with Dame isn't the common move. Also, they are parroting what other gms likely say because, again, it's not the common move. Commonly, either a team just eats the deal and tries to piece around it for the injury year and be patient or they go straight to the rebuild and trade the franchise for hopeful draft picks.

In this case, the writing is on the wall that noone Dame's age has ever come back and been the same after this injury (if I'm wrong then it's like 1 dude). If another team believes in him, that lowers our yearly burden.. but percentage wise ... there's almost zero chance that he would be nearly "himself" these next 2 years and that would have wasted/disgruntled Giannis likely. So looking at reasons the "experts" won't admit:

1. Happy Giannis more likely to extend
2. Better defense with Turner and without Dame
3. Dame/Giannis didn't really meld anyways
4. Dames payment should get reduced some based on what he signs
5. The cap goes up so that that 22mil will be a lower percentage as it goes
6. Turner matches our team's age better than Dame
7. Turner signed a team friendly deal since it's a year not many teams had space to give him more
8. The guards we retained play better D than Dame and likely won't mind deferring to Giannis/Turner/Portis more inside out ball
9. Idk there are probably many more reasons they ignore just because they're salty their Giannis trade story isn't happening lol

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

What else would you need to get back in a trade sending Kuzma and Dre out and bringing back Jerami Grant and his scourge of a contract (~10m more than Kuz with an extra year in the form of a PO)?

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is grant even playable? i dont want a guy whose breaking down. kuzma and ajj may be nuts out there but its so important this year to try to be young and fast and healthy and high energy in my opinion