Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[bay2hk]

Wizard got Whitmore for nothing, serious what are we doing right now?

Another JK landing spot gone. Two seconds from the Wizards is pretty valuable and Whitmore hasn’t done crap.

Witmore is on a lower 1st round rookie contract for 2 more seasons (3.5 mil, 5.5 mil) vs Kuminga telling the world he wants 30+ million starting this season.

Whitmore has averaged 10.8 points over two years -- last season scoring 0.46 points per touch, 4th-best among players to record 1,000 touches.

Guess he didn't fit in with the organizational direction of tough defense.

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That takes wizards out of the JK trade. Looks like JK will need to accept reality and take the QO or whatever Warriors’ extension offer is.

[bay2hk]

Warriors right now have a chance to get the guy they shouldve drafted in the 2020 draft.. because once he's dealt elsewhere thats it..

They should really be looking at trading Kuminga, Moody, Podz for LaMelo and possibly a pick if they can swing it. They would then have a starting point and a top 5 talent at his position, despite maturity issues. Charlotte seems to be bringing an excess of guards to prep for a trade in-season.. Warriors should try to be proactive in inquiring him before his value goes back up exponentially

Worst f*#($*&&cking idea ever! LaMelo can't stay healthy. Even worse than Lauri Markkanen.

At least Charlotte can get a FRP for Lamelo even with that massive contract. Lamelo was the pick that year. Instead we settled with Oubre…

[bay2hk]

Kuminga with a 3 pt shot just went to the wizards for 2 seconds.

Welcome back to the bay saric. Kings are the last team standing.

This kuminga situation is holding the front office staff hostage, can't do anything right now. Lacob and mjd really messed this up, no winners in this situation.

I'd rather let Kuminga be rescinded than take that garbage from the Kings. This assumes the Warriors can acquire five decent players with the NTMLE split two ways (ex. $7M + $7M, $6M + $8M, etc.), the Bi-Annual ($5.135M), and two vet minimums.

I think it’s a bit too late for that. There are no good free agents left. Let’s wait this out and force JK to accept the QO. We have the option to use the Kyle Anderson TPE during the season.

[marthafokker]

Hope MDJ don't fold. Sacto willing to walk away. Good. Like I said, I rather Kerr screaming and shouting than get that garbage back.

[Old_Blue]

Hope MDJ don't fold. Sacto willing to walk away. Good. Like I said, I rather Kerr screaming and shouting than get that garbage back.

100% - Any deal with the Kings that doesn't involve Keegan Murray isn't worth wasting time on. Let the Kings walk away. Their team sucks donkey balls.

[EvanZ]

The TWolves got a 2027 second and a trade exception for NAW who is worlds more valuable as a player. Do the damn math folks. JK is not worth what you think he is. Not even close.

[statsman]

Assuming JK would be willing to play for a 2+1 in the 3/55 to 3/60 range, is there a team that still has cap space who would be willing at that price? No one was biting at $35M/yr or $30M/yr, and from the looks of it, even at $25M/yr.

[NW]

The TWolves got a 2027 second and a trade exception for NAW who is worlds more valuable as a player. Do the damn math folks. JK is not worth what you think he is. Not even close.

Because the T-Wolves were in the position Kings fans think GS. They couldn’t re-up NAW (with the Randle and Reid deals) without going deep into the apron.

GS can re-sign Kuminga and not hit the apron.

That being said, hope of getting guys like Herb Jones or Keegan Murray is a pipe dream based on “Dumars and Vivek r da moronz”. That’s not happening either

[vvoland]

The TWolves got a 2027 second and a trade exception for NAW who is worlds more valuable as a player. Do the damn math folks. JK is not worth what you think he is. Not even close.

Initially, I wanted to agree with you but then I couldn't answer the following question:

If jk signed the NAW contract, we'd match immediately and, if we didn't, we'd get ridiculed and the team than signed him would be praised as getting a steal. If NAW was really "worlds better" he'd get a contract in the range jk is hoping for, not the MLE, right? All 30 gms can't be that far off?

NW gave good reasons as to why Minny let him go for so little in the S&T. The reason why no one else offered him more money is because he's a good guard, best as the 3rd one, 6th man type. A non-scoring, bench guard, with good defense (but unlikely to ever make an all-defense team, I'd guess), and inconsistent 3pt shot. How valuable is that, really? Aren't we just talking about moody? And not who you think moody is, closer to my, relatively pessimistic, view of who MM is.

Keon Ellis, NAW, ddv, and that ilk of 3rd guards, how much better are they than what we have in podz, moody, hield, and some vet min signing we could have gotten or still might (exum, trent, tyus, etc.)? Giving up assets or even roster spots for guys to compete with podz, moody, and buddy doesn't seem worth it. I'm not particularly high on any of those 3 but they're a perfectly fine guard unit next to Steph.

[vvoland]

The TWolves got a 2027 second and a trade exception for NAW who is worlds more valuable as a player. Do the damn math folks. JK is not worth what you think he is. Not even close.

Because the T-Wolves were in the position Kings fans think GS. They couldn’t re-up NAW (with the Randle and Reid deals) without going deep into the apron.

GS can re-sign Kuminga and not hit the apron.

That being said, hope of getting guys like Herb Jones or Keegan Murray is a pipe dream based on “Dumars and Vivek r da moronz”. That’s not happening either

I wouldn't be so sure. Have you heard the reporting on how incredulous the atl FO was about the draft day trade from NO and how many times they confirmed the details?

[NW]

The TWolves got a 2027 second and a trade exception for NAW who is worlds more valuable as a player. Do the damn math folks. JK is not worth what you think he is. Not even close.

Because the T-Wolves were in the position Kings fans think GS. They couldn’t re-up NAW (with the Randle and Reid deals) without going deep into the apron.

GS can re-sign Kuminga and not hit the apron.

That being said, hope of getting guys like Herb Jones or Keegan Murray is a pipe dream based on “Dumars and Vivek r da moronz”. That’s not happening either

I wouldn't be so sure. Have you heard the reporting on how incredulous the atl FO was about the draft day trade from NO and how many times they confirmed the details?

No illusions that Dumars is winning exec of the year anytime soon, but paying Kuminga between $20-30 mil a year and giving up one of the best wings in the league on a good contract for the privilege is a different level of moron than giving up an unprotected first imo.

Maybe Kuminga and his agent go to Vegas next week and sells Dumars, but not betting on it

[NW]

The TWolves got a 2027 second and a trade exception for NAW who is worlds more valuable as a player. Do the damn math folks. JK is not worth what you think he is. Not even close.

Initially, I wanted to agree with you but then I couldn't answer the following question:

If jk signed the NAW contract, we'd match immediately and, if we didn't, we'd get ridiculed and the team than signed him would be praised as getting a steal. If NAW was really "worlds better" he'd get a contract in the range jk is hoping for, not the MLE, right? All 30 gms can't be that far off?

NW gave good reasons as to why Minny let him go for so little in the S&T. The reason why no one else offered him more money is because he's a good guard, best as the 3rd one, 6th man type. A non-scoring, bench guard, with good defense (but unlikely to ever make an all-defense team, I'd guess), and inconsistent 3pt shot. How valuable is that, really? Aren't we just talking about moody? And not who you think moody is, closer to my, relatively pessimistic, view of who MM is.

Keon Ellis, NAW, ddv, and that ilk of 3rd guards, how much better are they than what we have in podz, moody, hield, and some vet min signing we could have gotten or still might (exum, trent, tyus, etc.)? Giving up assets or even roster spots for guys to compete with podz, moody, and buddy doesn't seem worth it. I'm not particularly high on any of those 3 but they're a perfectly fine guard unit next to Steph.

Would argue that as Ellis, NAW and DDV bring things those other guys don’t and GS needs when it comes to POA defense and shooting

[vvoland]

Because the T-Wolves were in the position Kings fans think GS. They couldn’t re-up NAW (with the Randle and Reid deals) without going deep into the apron.

GS can re-sign Kuminga and not hit the apron.

That being said, hope of getting guys like Herb Jones or Keegan Murray is a pipe dream based on “Dumars and Vivek r da moronz”. That’s not happening either

I wouldn't be so sure. Have you heard the reporting on how incredulous the atl FO was about the draft day trade from NO and how many times they confirmed the details?

No illusions that Dumars is winning exec of the year anytime soon, but paying Kuminga between $20-30 mil a year and giving up one of the best wings in the league on a good contract for the privilege is a different level of moron than giving up an unprotected first imo.

Maybe Kuminga and his agent go to Vegas next week and sells Dumars, but not betting on it

I'm just saying, ATL kept confirming that the extra pick they're getting for trading down 10 spots really is unprotected, completely, and Joe kept saying, "yes, it's is."

Forget jk, I'd trade moody, salary filler, and next year's first and Joe just might do that.

[EvanZ]

The TWolves got a 2027 second and a trade exception for NAW who is worlds more valuable as a player. Do the damn math folks. JK is not worth what you think he is. Not even close.

Initially, I wanted to agree with you but then I couldn't answer the following question:

If jk signed the NAW contract, we'd match immediately and, if we didn't, we'd get ridiculed and the team than signed him would be praised as getting a steal. If NAW was really "worlds better" he'd get a contract in the range jk is hoping for, not the MLE, right? All 30 gms can't be that far off?

NW gave good reasons as to why Minny let him go for so little in the S&T. The reason why no one else offered him more money is because he's a good guard, best as the 3rd one, 6th man type. A non-scoring, bench guard, with good defense (but unlikely to ever make an all-defense team, I'd guess), and inconsistent 3pt shot. How valuable is that, really? Aren't we just talking about moody? And not who you think moody is, closer to my, relatively pessimistic, view of who MM is.

Keon Ellis, NAW, ddv, and that ilk of 3rd guards, how much better are they than what we have in podz, moody, hield, and some vet min signing we could have gotten or still might (exum, trent, tyus, etc.)? Giving up assets or even roster spots for guys to compete with podz, moody, and buddy doesn't seem worth it. I'm not particularly high on any of those 3 but they're a perfectly fine guard unit next to Steph.

Bro eventually you’re gonna find out. If we give JK a bigger contract than what NAW just got we are the ones who might end up shipping out picks to dump it.

[Onus]

The TWolves got a 2027 second and a trade exception for NAW who is worlds more valuable as a player. Do the damn math folks. JK is not worth what you think he is. Not even close.

Initially, I wanted to agree with you but then I couldn't answer the following question:

If jk signed the NAW contract, we'd match immediately and, if we didn't, we'd get ridiculed and the team than signed him would be praised as getting a steal. If NAW was really "worlds better" he'd get a contract in the range jk is hoping for, not the MLE, right? All 30 gms can't be that far off?

NW gave good reasons as to why Minny let him go for so little in the S&T. The reason why no one else offered him more money is because he's a good guard, best as the 3rd one, 6th man type. A non-scoring, bench guard, with good defense (but unlikely to ever make an all-defense team, I'd guess), and inconsistent 3pt shot. How valuable is that, really? Aren't we just talking about moody? And not who you think moody is, closer to my, relatively pessimistic, view of who MM is.

Keon Ellis, NAW, ddv, and that ilk of 3rd guards, how much better are they than what we have in podz, moody, hield, and some vet min signing we could have gotten or still might (exum, trent, tyus, etc.)? Giving up assets or even roster spots for guys to compete with podz, moody, and buddy doesn't seem worth it. I'm not particularly high on any of those 3 but they're a perfectly fine guard unit next to Steph.

Bro eventually you’re gonna find out. If we give JK a bigger contract than what NAW just got we are the ones who might end up shipping out picks to dump it.

I mean really just look at the teams that supposedly have interest in JK. They are all terribly ran franchises.

Realistically if we drafted a player that was like Keon Ellis in the 20s of a draft we'd all be really happy.

[Crazy-Canuck]

A much much much better player in norm Powell went for less that than what the kings offered for kuminga.

The market is telling us that guys who just score just aren't as valuable anymore.

[cpower]

A much much much better player in norm Powell went for less that than what the kings offered for kuminga.

The market is telling us that guys who just score just aren't as valuable anymore.

we should ask the heat see if they want to flip Powell for Kuminga

[Onus]

A much much much better player in norm Powell went for less that than what the kings offered for kuminga.

The market is telling us that guys who just score just aren't as valuable anymore.

we should ask the bulls see if they want to flip Powell for Kuminga

Why would the heat do that? Why would we? We would just delay signing Powell until next year and we basically go through the same thing we're going through with JK. Powell is looking for a 30+M a year contract.

[Crazy-Canuck]

A much much much better player in norm Powell went for less that than what the kings offered for kuminga.

The market is telling us that guys who just score just aren't as valuable anymore.

we should ask the bulls see if they want to flip Powell for Kuminga

Why would the heat do that? Why would we? We would just delay signing Powell until next year and we basically go through the same thing we're going through with JK. Powell is looking for a 30+M a year contract.

Powell is another guy who's going to get a rude awakening next off season. But I'd still pay him 30M than Herro 50M.

[cpower]

A much much much better player in norm Powell went for less that than what the kings offered for kuminga.

The market is telling us that guys who just score just aren't as valuable anymore.

we should ask the bulls see if they want to flip Powell for Kuminga

Why would the heat do that? Why would we? We would just delay signing Powell until next year and we basically go through the same thing we're going through with JK. Powell is looking for a 30+M a year contract.

well like you said you kick the can down the road. compete for one year and see what is happening.