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Re: Indiana Fever 2025 

Post#321 » by jc23 » Sun Jul 6, 2025 1:13 am

jc23 wrote:4 straight home games coming up; Valkrie, sparks, atlanta, dallas. Valkyries are a different team on the road and that Sparks loss was one of the worst of the season. those should be wins.


Sorry for the disrespect LAS :lol:

Fever have to be one of the worst teams in the league to put money on.
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Re: Indiana Fever 2025 

Post#322 » by rmontro » Sun Jul 6, 2025 2:45 am

The Fever are terribly inconsistent.
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Post#323 » by Ice Man » Sun Jul 6, 2025 12:13 pm

Two steps forward, one step back. To be fair to Indy, the Sparks didn't play last night like a scrub team. They moved the ball well, didn't make turnovers (only 7 for the game), and hit their shots. They would have given any opponent difficulty. But still ... a contending team can't be dropping home games to a 5-13 team.
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Post#324 » by C.lupus » Sun Jul 6, 2025 2:44 pm

Two thoughts after this game:
1. I had the Sparks as a bubble playoff team before the season started so I'm not shocked they look better than their record.
2. I'm done until Clark returns. I hate being one of those guys but without her it's just not captivating. It's not terrible basketball (most nights) but it's just... meh, and that is not good enough to compete with summer unless it's just a rainy boredom-filled day.
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Re: Indiana Fever 2025 

Post#325 » by jc23 » Sun Jul 6, 2025 3:10 pm

C.lupus wrote:Two thoughts after this game:
1. I had the Sparks as a bubble playoff team before the season started so I'm not shocked they look better than their record.
2. I'm done until Clark returns. I hate being one of those guys but without her it's just not captivating. It's not terrible basketball (most nights) but it's just... meh, and that is not good enough to compete with summer unless it's just a rainy boredom-filled day.


its like watching the pre KD Warriors without Curry. Ya you still got Klay, Draymond, Iggy etc...but you dont have that electricity in the air.

one of my thoughts after the game is AB is an absolute bully. i feel bad for those defenders with no weight behind them; when you guard AB you feel it the next day.
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Re: Indiana Fever 2025 

Post#326 » by jc23 » Sun Jul 6, 2025 6:03 pm

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Post#327 » by Ice Man » Mon Jul 7, 2025 12:05 pm

jc23 wrote:one of my thoughts after the game is AB is an absolute bully.


Once (honestly, as always), the idea that Cailtin Clark is uniquely disliked and picked upon by WNBA players is wrong. Like Clark, AB finished 9th in her position in player WNBA voting. Yet Boston is 2nd among all WNBA players this season in WIn Shares and 3rd in PER. Flat out, she has been first-team All NBA quality. Great scoring, great creation & decision making, good rebounding, good defense, and nonstop bullying/aggression. Just a wonderful season she is having.

Boston has a much stronger case than Clark for being disrespected by her fellow players. But that's not the popular narrative, is it?
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Re: Indiana Fever 2025 

Post#328 » by jc23 » Mon Jul 7, 2025 12:40 pm

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jc23 wrote:one of my thoughts after the game is AB is an absolute bully.


Once (honestly, as always), the idea that Cailtin Clark is uniquely disliked and picked upon by WNBA players is wrong. Like Clark, AB finished 9th in her position in player WNBA voting. Yet Boston is 2nd among all WNBA players this season in WIn Shares and 3rd in PER. Flat out, she has been first-team All NBA quality. Great scoring, great creation & decision making, good rebounding, good defense, and nonstop bullying/aggression. Just a wonderful season she is having.

Boston has a much stronger case than Clark for being disrespected by her fellow players. But that's not the popular narrative, is it?


i mentioned AB being 9th overall by the players on the previous page. As far as popular narrative goes; Boston is not on the same level in popularity as Clark (no woman athlete is) so no it is not as popular a narrative. Made a bunch of comments on Clark and her relation with the players a few weeks back (also honest and fair) , still feel the same way.

every team does the "us vs the world thing", this comment by AB at least confirms she is on board with it.
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Re: Indiana Fever 2025 

Post#329 » by jc23 » Mon Jul 7, 2025 12:48 pm

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Re: Indiana Fever 2025 

Post#330 » by rmontro » Mon Jul 7, 2025 4:46 pm

Ice Man wrote:Once (honestly, as always), the idea that Cailtin Clark is uniquely disliked and picked upon by WNBA players is wrong.

Well, people who hate Clark also tend to hate the Fever by association. I was going to say the Fever haven't done anything yet anyway, but they did win the Commisioner's Cup, that's probably cause for some resentment.
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Post#331 » by jc23 » Tue Jul 8, 2025 2:11 pm

CC did some 5 v 5 the other day. thats a good sign.
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Re: Indiana Fever 2025 

Post#332 » by AI_Efficiency » Tue Jul 8, 2025 6:21 pm

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Ice Man wrote:Once (honestly, as always), the idea that Cailtin Clark is uniquely disliked and picked upon by WNBA players is wrong.

Well, people who hate Clark also tend to hate the Fever by association. I was going to say the Fever haven't done anything yet anyway, but they did win the Commisioner's Cup, that's probably cause for some resentment.

I think a lot of the league dislikes Clark, or at least her success / attention she has received (and she can talk plenty of trash herself which brings some of it on), but her being 9th in player voting isn’t the example for that people think it is. She’s missed like half the games this year, and even when she played, she was usually down for her standards (which I’m sure even she would admit). All star voting isn’t like a ranking of pure talent. Feel like the player vote for Clark this year was largely fair.
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Post#333 » by rmontro » Tue Jul 8, 2025 7:03 pm

AI_Efficiency wrote:I think a lot of the league dislikes Clark, or at least her success / attention she has received (and she can talk plenty of trash herself which brings some of it on), but her being 9th in player voting isn’t the example for that people think it is. She’s missed like half the games this year, and even when she played, she was usually down for her standards (which I’m sure even she would admit). All star voting isn’t like a ranking of pure talent. Feel like the player vote for Clark this year was largely fair.

I agree, I do think the league hates Clark. Because she gets all the attention and big money deals. But I take no offense to the All Star voting this year, because as you note, she has missed half the games due to injury. I'd be really curious to see what the results would be if she hadn't been hurt. I have a feeling they'd still be slighting her, just not as much.
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Re: Indiana Fever 2025 

Post#334 » by ellobo » Tue Jul 8, 2025 8:10 pm

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rmontro wrote:
Ice Man wrote:Once (honestly, as always), the idea that Cailtin Clark is uniquely disliked and picked upon by WNBA players is wrong.

Well, people who hate Clark also tend to hate the Fever by association. I was going to say the Fever haven't done anything yet anyway, but they did win the Commisioner's Cup, that's probably cause for some resentment.

I think a lot of the league dislikes Clark, or at least her success / attention she has received (and she can talk plenty of trash herself which brings some of it on), but her being 9th in player voting isn’t the example for that people think it is. She’s missed like half the games this year, and even when she played, she was usually down for her standards (which I’m sure even she would admit). All star voting isn’t like a ranking of pure talent. Feel like the player vote for Clark this year was largely fair.


Also, although she was 9th in player voting, that doesn't mean players ranked her as the 9th best guard. Ballots have 4 guard spots, so she was named in the top 4 on the 9th most player ballots.

I mean, say you had some combination of Allisha Gray, Paige, Sabrina, Gabby Williams, and Skylar on your ballot. That means you made pretty defensible choices for your top 4, but left Clark off completely. Brittney Sykes, Kelsey Mitchell, and Natasha Cloud were also named on more ballots than Clark, and I think you can make a reasonable availability argument for Sykes and Mitchell over Clark. To me, Cloud is a little more questionable, especially since she was named in the top 4 on the 4th most ballots (tied with Paige), and I don't think she has a good argument for being a top 4 guard (this coming from a Liberty fan).
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Re: Indiana Fever 2025 

Post#335 » by JustBuzzin » Tue Jul 8, 2025 11:17 pm

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Post#336 » by AI_Efficiency » Wed Jul 9, 2025 6:04 pm

Aari McDonald is awful, respectfully. Or at least she shouldn’t be starting on a team trying to win. She kills spacing and the offense by passing up open shots, but even when she shoots her threes, she’s doing it at such a low percentage no one cares. The Valkyries just decided to trap today and then pack the paint after the initial pass and the Fever couldn’t make them pay. If you’re a role player in modern basketball, you need to space the floor so your stars have room to operate.
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Re: Indiana Fever 2025 

Post#337 » by jc23 » Wed Jul 9, 2025 6:04 pm

yikes at the 11am game on a Wednesday and holy hell at the final score.
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Re: Indiana Fever 2025 

Post#338 » by jc23 » Wed Jul 9, 2025 11:18 pm

AI_Efficiency wrote:Aari McDonald is awful, respectfully. Or at least she shouldn’t be starting on a team trying to win. She kills spacing and the offense by passing up open shots, but even when she shoots her threes, she’s doing it at such a low percentage no one cares. The Valkyries just decided to trap today and then pack the paint after the initial pass and the Fever couldn’t make them pay. If you’re a role player in modern basketball, you need to space the floor so your stars have room to operate.


im sure the thinking was get a second ball handler to alleviate pressure off Clark. it looked good to start the game and then as you said the spacing became horrendous. The V were able to pack the paint on every drive and the Fever never made them pay. They also got back on defense and out on the break for easy baskets.

They got to figure it out. Clark is going to get pressed full court and then blitzed on the pnr. She needs to keep her head up and be a step ahead; her teammates need to be ready for the pressure release and prepared to make a quick decision with the 4 on 3 situation. start making teams pay for playing overly aggressive and they will have to back off and play more conservative. Indy just has not been able to do that this season.
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Re: Indiana Fever 2025 

Post#339 » by rmontro » Wed Jul 9, 2025 11:24 pm

What's with the noon game on a Wednesday? Really weird.

Part of me wants to be really angry that the Valkyries have only been together this season, yet they seem to have been able to put things together quicker than the Fever, who still haven't found their way yet. But I suppose it would be more sensible to write it off as a bad game, and that Clark will have to ease her way back in. I'm surprised they were able to shut Boston down as well as they did. GS seems to know what they're doing, defensively.
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Post#340 » by AI_Efficiency » Thu Jul 10, 2025 2:35 am

jc23 wrote:
AI_Efficiency wrote:Aari McDonald is awful, respectfully. Or at least she shouldn’t be starting on a team trying to win. She kills spacing and the offense by passing up open shots, but even when she shoots her threes, she’s doing it at such a low percentage no one cares. The Valkyries just decided to trap today and then pack the paint after the initial pass and the Fever couldn’t make them pay. If you’re a role player in modern basketball, you need to space the floor so your stars have room to operate.


im sure the thinking was get a second ball handler to alleviate pressure off Clark. it looked good to start the game and then as you said the spacing became horrendous. The V were able to pack the paint on every drive and the Fever never made them pay. They also got back on defense and out on the break for easy baskets.

They got to figure it out. Clark is going to get pressed full court and then blitzed on the pnr. She needs to keep her head up and be a step ahead; her teammates need to be ready for the pressure release and prepared to make a quick decision with the 4 on 3 situation. start making teams pay for playing overly aggressive and they will have to back off and play more conservative. Indy just has not been able to do that this season.

Feel like they need to spam the Clark-Boston pick and roll, but with three shooters around them to space the floor. Maybe play Mitchell, Cunningham and Lexie. I think eventually it will be good to find another playmaker to give Clark easy looks, but McDonald isn’t it imo.

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