[Shams] Norman Powell to Miami, John Collins to Clippers

[Vae Victus]

Id say the Utah Jazz are the big winners of this trade. They lower salary commitment a smidge by dumping a player they have no intention of playing and got a SRP pick out of it too.

Clips need to sign a new scoring SG, but that's pretty easy nowadays as those type of players are super easy to find.

Miami aggregate their spare parts for a useful scoring SG, but they already had a better one on the roster, so it'll be interesting to see what they do next and whether Powell will be happy with a more limited role.

Edit: Utah saves 13+ mil from this deal, Utah outright wins and can win BIGLY if they can parlay those savings into 2-3 SRPs or 1 prot FRP.

[Memories]

I actually like it for the Clippers.

1. Powell only got high raw numbers due to Leonard being out most of the time. That went down when he came back.
2. He's 32 coming off a career year. So selling high when you already have Harden and Leonard is a good idea.
3. John Collins is a 27 year old 19 and 8 player. Good way to build the front line.
4. Makes the roster more balanced.

James Harden
Kawhi Leonard
Bogdan Bogdanović
John Collins
Ivica Zubac

Definitely a much more balanced lineup.

[Memories]

As for the Heat, sure they get Powell after a career year, but he's 32 looking for a big payday and he does NOTHING to impact the Heat's chances of winning anything. They need A LOT MORE to compete next season so as far as I'm concerned, this does nothing for them.

[firedavidkahn]

Jazz turned Collin Sexton, Jordan Clarkson and John Collins into:

- Jusuf Nurkic
- Kyle Anderson
- Kevin Love

Not ideal.

[TimberKat]

I actually like it for the Clippers.

1. Powell only got high raw numbers due to Leonard being out most of the time. That went down when he came back.
2. He's 32 coming off a career year. So selling high when you already have Harden and Leonard is a good idea.
3. John Collins is a 27 year old 19 and 8 player. Good way to build the front line.
4. Makes the roster more balanced.

James Harden
Kawhi Leonard
Bogdan Bogdanović
John Collins
Ivica Zubac

Definitely a much more balanced lineup.

You add on top that Beal is going to Clippers, that is a big win

[DusterBuster]

Utah is a joke

They got rid of Collins, that was a plus alone. Give Ace some runway and get rid of a player who pretty much provides nothing. I understood why the wanted to kick the tires on him after Atlanta, but at this point it's clear he's not a winning quality player.

[Effigy]

I legit didn't realize Kevin Love was still in the NBA.

[kg01]

Jazz fans don't seem too miffed over it. This could end up being a 7+ year rebuild.

It's crazy. I mean, Jazz fans aren't dumb. But it's starting to look and feel like they've been taken advantage of by a snake oil salesman trying to gift his son a GM job.

Jazz actually got fined $100k for sitting out guys last season. Karma bit them by falling down to the worst possible pick in the lottery. Now they can "organically" tank by giving their low ceiling youngsters plenty of shots.

Either it will work with them getting a top 3 pick next year or fail with them completely whiffing with the lottery balls again, which is statistically the more likely outcome with the flattened odds. They should at the very least keep their '26 FRP which is only top 8 protected.

All true. But I doubt they hired the great(sic) Danny Ainge to administer 7-8 years of tanking. They could certainly hired a no-name, cheap guy to do that.

He's been there too long to still be doing this, is my point.

[DusterBuster]

Jazz turned Collin Sexton, Jordan Clarkson and John Collins into:

- Jusuf Nurkic
- Kyle Anderson
- Kevin Love

Not ideal.

Sexton, Clarkson and Collins are not winning quality players. If they're starting for your team, you're in need of an upgrade in your starting lineup. They cleared their contracts off the books and can move forward without youth better.

The moves are fine.

[Memories]

Jazz turned Collin Sexton, Jordan Clarkson and John Collins into:

- Jusuf Nurkic
- Kyle Anderson
- Kevin Love

Not ideal.

Sexton, Clarkson and Collins are not winning quality players. If they're starting for your team, you're in need of an upgrade in your starting lineup. They cleared their contracts off the books and can move forward without youth better.

The moves are fine.

What did they get for them though?

Clarkson left for nothing, Collins a 2nd round pick years down the line, and Sexton a 2nd round pick down the line.

Ainge holds on to his assets for way too long instead of cashing them in at peak value. He could have gotten a 1st round pick for Clarkson a couple of years ago.

Dude is doing the same thing now to Lauri. He's either gonna leave for nothing, or get traded after his value plummets to a couple or so 2nd round picks.

[ChumboChappati]

What are the Clippers doing?

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Norman Powell is highly overrated

[The Master]

Jazz could've taken dead money for Sexton, Clarkson and Collins/Powell, as they plan is to tank anyways, so not getting anything assets-wise besides cap relief is so useless management. They literally went for a postponed top pick haunting via tanking, without any special youth, and Cavs' picks probably being very mid, and poor assets management (they were surprisingly good two years ago and got only protected Lakers pick with Lauri on maximum contract for that). And they're in the West.

[DusterBuster]

Jazz turned Collin Sexton, Jordan Clarkson and John Collins into:

- Jusuf Nurkic
- Kyle Anderson
- Kevin Love

Not ideal.

Sexton, Clarkson and Collins are not winning quality players. If they're starting for your team, you're in need of an upgrade in your starting lineup. They cleared their contracts off the books and can move forward without youth better.

The moves are fine.

What did they get for them though?

Clarkson left for nothing, Collins a 2nd round pick years down the line, and Sexton a 2nd round pick down the line.

Ainge holds on to his assets for way too long instead of cashing them in at peak value. He could have gotten a 1st round pick for Clarkson a couple of years ago.

Dude is doing the same thing now to Lauri. He's either gonna leave for nothing, or get traded after his value plummets to a couple or so 2nd round picks.

Those players had no trade value. So yeah, they got nothing for them, but they also didn't give up assets to get them off the roster. That's a win to get rid of players who didn't provide much in terms of winning.

[mkot]

Somehow someway Ainge had to get a draft pick from this like an addict

[madmaxmedia]

I actually like it for the Clippers.

1. Powell only got high raw numbers due to Leonard being out most of the time. That went down when he came back.
2. He's 32 coming off a career year. So selling high when you already have Harden and Leonard is a good idea.
3. John Collins is a 27 year old 19 and 8 player. Good way to build the front line.
4. Makes the roster more balanced.

James Harden
Kawhi Leonard
Bogdan Bogdanović
John Collins
Ivica Zubac

Definitely a much more balanced lineup.

1. The age difference is not nothing for sure, given the Clippers team age.
2. They're both solid players, talent wise this is roughly a lateral move for the Clippers.
3. This makes for better roster balance for the Clippers, when Kawhi is healthy (everything hinges on this regardless, so may as well try to maximize his last two contract years.) Norm wasn't the same after his return from injury which coincided with Kawhi returning to the starting line up.
4. This is a really nice addition for the Heat, Clipper fans generally all rooted for Mr. "Addition By Subtraction", so I hope he kills it over there. He really saved our season with his play until he got hurt, his scoring/efficiency numbers were unreal for a pretty low-profile NBA vet.

[Memories]

Sexton, Clarkson and Collins are not winning quality players. If they're starting for your team, you're in need of an upgrade in your starting lineup. They cleared their contracts off the books and can move forward without youth better.

The moves are fine.

What did they get for them though?

Clarkson left for nothing, Collins a 2nd round pick years down the line, and Sexton a 2nd round pick down the line.

Ainge holds on to his assets for way too long instead of cashing them in at peak value. He could have gotten a 1st round pick for Clarkson a couple of years ago.

Dude is doing the same thing now to Lauri. He's either gonna leave for nothing, or get traded after his value plummets to a couple or so 2nd round picks.

Those players had no trade value. So yeah, they got nothing for them, but they also didn't give up assets to get them off the roster. That's a win to get rid of players who didn't provide much in terms of winning.

They had no value ANYMORE. Ainge held on to them for too long in hopes of a Billy King situation again, and ended up losing them for nothing.

That's the point. And their contracts weren't bad by any measure, so the fact that Jazz fans should be grateful they didn't attach stuff with them is a terrible take.

[RRR3]

Powell isn't an ideal fit with Herro as they are similar players but for this price I can't complain at all. Steal.

[mkot]

I think John Collins is a good fit. He is still only 27, was kinda forgotten playing in Utah but he might be what the Clippers been missing in their roster that could put Kawhi back to his natural 3 position and allow Lue to play other lineup other than the 3 guards lineup. For the Heat, always a Norm fan, he will give them an explosive offensive pop that is badly need.

Utah got a pick back so guess Ainge is happy

[HMFFL]

Clippers don't need 179 three pointers at 41%.

Nice steal Miami

[Johnny Bball]

Who do you think is better, Powell or Herro? I feel they are both similar caliber SGs.

They're basically the same player. Herro isn't as physically strong nor athletic though, so he can be relentlessly hunted come playoff time.

They are not the same player, Herro plays point.

Powell is a big upgrade if only for Robinson and nothing else.