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Re: 2025 Offseason Thread Vol.5 

Post#581 » by MettaWorldPanda » Mon Jul 7, 2025 5:19 pm

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MettaWorldPanda wrote:Not only has Powell taken on a leadership role and been an offensive go-to for the Clippers, but he has also become a defensive force. In an earlier game against the Golden State Warriors, Powell came up with a massive block on Moses Moody’s 3-point attempt then raced down the court and scored. He then took on the challenge of guarding 7-foot-3 Victor Wembanyama of the San Antonio Spurs.

“Just honing in on the defensive end. That’s been the biggest thing,” said Powell, who has two blocked shots and nine steals this season. “I’ve been so focused offensively. They want me to return to my earlier days, guarding the ball, being a two-way player. So, that’s the thing I’m focused on, using my voice, being a leader on the defensive end because everybody knows I can score and put the ball in the basket.”



Some of you guys just love to get on your high horse and nitpick anything


In terms of Clippers team context, Powell had the 2nd worst DRTG and tied for worst DBPM (along with Amir Coffey) among the top 8 minute getters last season. He's not the level of bad defender that Miami has experienced with Rozier, Herro and Robinson. He has previously been a solid or better defender during his younger years and his shift to take on more offensive load has surely come at the expense of some defensive impact.

Opinion was for sure based on Norman Powell during his years with the Raptors. He had always seemed to be real tough on that end and does carry a 6'11 wingspan and have seen him take on bigger players at the wing spot. He's been tasked to take on a heavy scoring load in recent years but maybe is able to find something again with the Heat system. Guess I can hope but still a great move by the heat non the less
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Re: 2025 Offseason Thread Vol.5 

Post#582 » by inhabitMiami » Mon Jul 7, 2025 5:19 pm

Clippers fielded a top 6 defense fielding Harden and Norm in the back court. I'm not worried about it with Spo at the helm
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Post#583 » by Daffy » Mon Jul 7, 2025 5:20 pm

On a serious level. This team has the perfect roster to plug a star right into. Well maybe not perfect. Still need a PG and a back up big. But we have so many pieces overall that a star needs around them.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Thread Vol.5 

Post#584 » by MettaWorldPanda » Mon Jul 7, 2025 5:22 pm

Daffy wrote:I'm sorry guys. Norman Powell is a great defender like others have said earlier in this thread. I was wrong. My eyes lied to me watching games. Matter of fact my eyes were closed watching those games. Clippers fans also lied about his defense. Other fans on Twitter as well lied about his defense.

Relax you were right. Powell sucks defensively and will never to be able to reclaim the previous form I remembered him by with the Raptors.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Thread Vol.5 

Post#585 » by Daffy » Mon Jul 7, 2025 5:22 pm

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greg4012 wrote:
MettaWorldPanda wrote:Not only has Powell taken on a leadership role and been an offensive go-to for the Clippers, but he has also become a defensive force. In an earlier game against the Golden State Warriors, Powell came up with a massive block on Moses Moody’s 3-point attempt then raced down the court and scored. He then took on the challenge of guarding 7-foot-3 Victor Wembanyama of the San Antonio Spurs.

“Just honing in on the defensive end. That’s been the biggest thing,” said Powell, who has two blocked shots and nine steals this season. “I’ve been so focused offensively. They want me to return to my earlier days, guarding the ball, being a two-way player. So, that’s the thing I’m focused on, using my voice, being a leader on the defensive end because everybody knows I can score and put the ball in the basket.”



Some of you guys just love to get on your high horse and nitpick anything


In terms of Clippers team context, Powell had the 2nd worst DRTG and tied for worst DBPM (along with Amir Coffey) among the top 8 minute getters last season. He's not the level of bad defender that Miami has experienced with Rozier, Herro and Robinson. He has previously been a solid or better defender during his younger years and his shift to take on more offensive load has surely come at the expense of some defensive impact.

Opinion was for sure based on Norman Powell during his years with the Raptors. He had always seemed to be real tough on that end and does carry a 6'11 wingspan and have seen him take on bigger players at the wing spot. He's been tasked to take on a heavy scoring load in recent years but maybe is able to find something again with the Heat system. Guess I can hope but still a great move by the heat non the less


I don't want you thinking that I don't like the move. I love the acquisition. You're also spot on when mentioning his Toronto days. He was much much better defensively at that point but he hasn't been the same defender. It could have been due to age, scheme, or roster construction. Hopefully he's a better defender here. One thing I do know about Powell though is that he's definitely a bucket and could be a solid piece for us under the right contract or an asset in a trade.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Thread Vol.5 

Post#586 » by greg4012 » Mon Jul 7, 2025 5:24 pm

Daffy wrote:On a serious level. This team has the perfect roster to plug a star right into. Well maybe not perfect. Still need a PG and a back up big. But we have so many pieces overall that a star needs around them.


Chances are slim to none, but I'm 100% certain that Luka Doncic would be far more successful over the next 5 seasons if he opted for Free Agency and signed with Miami rather than trying to make it work in LA with LeBron on his retirement tour and soon to be reliant on Reaves (on a new pricy contract) as his #2, Ayton (on a new pricey contract) as his #3 and whatever they can put together from leftover salary in 2026 free agency.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Thread Vol.5 

Post#587 » by MettaWorldPanda » Mon Jul 7, 2025 5:24 pm

Daffy wrote:
MettaWorldPanda wrote:
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In terms of Clippers team context, Powell had the 2nd worst DRTG and tied for worst DBPM (along with Amir Coffey) among the top 8 minute getters last season. He's not the level of bad defender that Miami has experienced with Rozier, Herro and Robinson. He has previously been a solid or better defender during his younger years and his shift to take on more offensive load has surely come at the expense of some defensive impact.

Opinion was for sure based on Norman Powell during his years with the Raptors. He had always seemed to be real tough on that end and does carry a 6'11 wingspan and have seen him take on bigger players at the wing spot. He's been tasked to take on a heavy scoring load in recent years but maybe is able to find something again with the Heat system. Guess I can hope but still a great move by the heat non the less


I don't want you thinking that I don't like the move. I love the acquisition. You're also spot on when mentioning his Toronto days. He was much much better defensively at that point but he hasn't been the same defender. It could have been due to age, scheme, or roster construction. Hopefully he's a better defender here. One thing I do know about Powell though is that he's definitely a bucket and could be a solid piece for us under the right contract or an asset in a trade.

I sent you that comment about him mentioning his previous two way play so hopefully he can find some of that here again under Spo. With the cost we got him at we may be pleasantly surprised sort of like with Jae Crowder.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Thread Vol.5 

Post#588 » by Daffy » Mon Jul 7, 2025 5:25 pm

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Daffy wrote:I'm sorry guys. Norman Powell is a great defender like others have said earlier in this thread. I was wrong. My eyes lied to me watching games. Matter of fact my eyes were closed watching those games. Clippers fans also lied about his defense. Other fans on Twitter as well lied about his defense.

Relax you were right. Powell sucks defensively and will never to be able to reclaim the previous form I remembered him by with the Raptors.



My bad for coming off as an ass man. I just felt like if we can critique our own players we should be able to critique players we acquire as well. I wasn't bashing Powell like he's not good. Just didn't want people getting their hopes up of him being a POA defender right now.
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Post#589 » by Daffy » Mon Jul 7, 2025 5:27 pm

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Daffy wrote:On a serious level. This team has the perfect roster to plug a star right into. Well maybe not perfect. Still need a PG and a back up big. But we have so many pieces overall that a star needs around them.


Chances are slim to none, but I'm 100% certain that Luka Doncic would be far more successful over the next 5 seasons if he opted for Free Agency and signed with Miami rather than trying to make it work in LA with LeBron on his retirement tour and soon to be reliant on Reaves (on a new pricy contract) as his #2, Ayton (on a new pricey contract) as his #3 and whatever they can put together from leftover salary in 2026 free agency.


Until Luka signs that extension with LA I will continue to believe we can acquire him. All our moves have been pointing to next year's free agency as well.

Luka
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I'm hoping one hits FA in that order.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Thread Vol.5 

Post#590 » by MettaWorldPanda » Mon Jul 7, 2025 5:29 pm

Daffy wrote:
MettaWorldPanda wrote:
Daffy wrote:I'm sorry guys. Norman Powell is a great defender like others have said earlier in this thread. I was wrong. My eyes lied to me watching games. Matter of fact my eyes were closed watching those games. Clippers fans also lied about his defense. Other fans on Twitter as well lied about his defense.

Relax you were right. Powell sucks defensively and will never to be able to reclaim the previous form I remembered him by with the Raptors.



My bad for coming off as an ass man. I just felt like if we can critique our own players we should be able to critique players we acquire as well. I wasn't bashing Powell like he's not good. Just didn't want people getting their hopes up of him being a POA defender right now.

All good we move
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Re: 2025 Offseason Thread Vol.5 

Post#591 » by Vertical Limit » Mon Jul 7, 2025 5:29 pm

Daffy wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
Daffy wrote:On a serious level. This team has the perfect roster to plug a star right into. Well maybe not perfect. Still need a PG and a back up big. But we have so many pieces overall that a star needs around them.


Chances are slim to none, but I'm 100% certain that Luka Doncic would be far more successful over the next 5 seasons if he opted for Free Agency and signed with Miami rather than trying to make it work in LA with LeBron on his retirement tour and soon to be reliant on Reaves (on a new pricy contract) as his #2, Ayton (on a new pricey contract) as his #3 and whatever they can put together from leftover salary in 2026 free agency.


Until Luka signs that extension with LA I will continue to believe we can acquire him. All our moves have been pointing to next year's free agency as well.

Luka
Trae
Fox

I'm hoping one hits FA in that order.

I still think Fox can be had this summer.. spurs have too much going on at the 1 and 2..
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Post#592 » by Hallstar » Mon Jul 7, 2025 5:31 pm

Nice, we got someone on the perimeter other than Herro for them to pay attention to
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Re: 2025 Offseason Thread Vol.5 

Post#593 » by Daffy » Mon Jul 7, 2025 5:32 pm

Vertical Limit wrote:
Daffy wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
Chances are slim to none, but I'm 100% certain that Luka Doncic would be far more successful over the next 5 seasons if he opted for Free Agency and signed with Miami rather than trying to make it work in LA with LeBron on his retirement tour and soon to be reliant on Reaves (on a new pricy contract) as his #2, Ayton (on a new pricey contract) as his #3 and whatever they can put together from leftover salary in 2026 free agency.


Until Luka signs that extension with LA I will continue to believe we can acquire him. All our moves have been pointing to next year's free agency as well.

Luka
Trae
Fox

I'm hoping one hits FA in that order.

I still think Fox can be had this summer.. spurs have too much going on at the 1 and 2..


At what price though? Do you really trade out assets if you could potentially get him in FA? Keeping the assets allows you to make another move to add to the Fox build.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Thread Vol.5 

Post#594 » by MettaWorldPanda » Mon Jul 7, 2025 5:33 pm

Giddey needs to sign his QO and become a free agent next year. We’ll have money to bid on him then
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Re: 2025 Offseason Thread Vol.5 

Post#595 » by Daffy » Mon Jul 7, 2025 5:33 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:
Daffy wrote:
MettaWorldPanda wrote:Relax you were right. Powell sucks defensively and will never to be able to reclaim the previous form I remembered him by with the Raptors.



My bad for coming off as an ass man. I just felt like if we can critique our own players we should be able to critique players we acquire as well. I wasn't bashing Powell like he's not good. Just didn't want people getting their hopes up of him being a POA defender right now.

All good we move


I know you want Wiggins gone but if they're really going to start Herro and Powell together then it might make sense to keep Wiggins.
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Post#596 » by HeatFanLifer » Mon Jul 7, 2025 5:35 pm

This team was just swept out of the first round, as a tenth seed, in historically bad defeats, but Norman Powell is going to bring this team into contention. Okay.
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Post#597 » by Daffy » Mon Jul 7, 2025 5:35 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:Giddey needs to sign his QO and become a free agent next year. We’ll have money to bid on him then


Giddey could be the Halliburton to Miami effect honestly. Would just need Spo to maximize that offensive potential of the whole team.
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Post#598 » by Daffy » Mon Jul 7, 2025 5:36 pm

HeatFanLifer wrote:This team was just swept out of the first round, as a tenth seed, in historically bad defeats, but Norman Powell is going to bring this team into contention. Okay.


I dont think anyone said contention. We just like the acquisition. He's a scorer. Can hit the 3 at a high clip. He's also an expiring.
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Post#599 » by CrossOver » Mon Jul 7, 2025 5:36 pm

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Post#600 » by HeatFanLifer » Mon Jul 7, 2025 5:39 pm

Daffy wrote:
HeatFanLifer wrote:This team was just swept out of the first round, as a tenth seed, in historically bad defeats, but Norman Powell is going to bring this team into contention. Okay.


I dont think anyone said contention. We just like the acquisition. He's a scorer. Can hit the 3 at a high clip. He's also an expiring.


Yeah the expiring contract is going to be good as long as he is not extended. I am not hating on the guy, but this whole “he has done well on contenders” thing from some people is not applicable since the Heat is not a contender. Not your argument so not disagreeing with your logic.
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