Hamsterdam (Ex-players, s***posts, beef, etc.) Continued

[3toheadmelo]

What irks me about Frank is that he has all of the tools to be SGA. If instead of Horny, we had Kenny Atkinson, the whole discussion might have been different.

Now he is what he is, playing in Euroleague where he can be a bigger fish, but we really were a poor place to develop for him.
Might not have made a difference, but we will never know.

i don’t think coaching is why frank isn’t more like SGA.

for starters, at no point has SGA ever moved shook.

With good coaching, Frank would have been much better. He'd have been what he is now - a mediocre Euroleague player. Frank may have looked the part, but he was never actually SGA material.

Blaming coaching for Frank being a terrible player is a horrible misinterpretation of reality.

[3toheadmelo]

This is perfect for this thread.

And i like the takes overall except the inherently most triggering square.

Pacome and hukporti don’t deserve that yet

Otherwise, kinda **** with it.

Interesting post. Clearly we had people who lived Julius, so they might not be happy you put him in the Hated by Fans row. They must either be sleeping or silently planning their attack.

I supported Randle, his small handful of supporters would agree he was hated by the fanbase far too much for how good he mostly was.

Well said!

[BKlutch]

i don’t think coaching is why frank isn’t more like SGA.

for starters, at no point has SGA ever moved shook.

With good coaching, Frank would have been much better. He'd have been what he is now - a mediocre Euroleague player. Frank may have looked the part, but he was never actually SGA material.

Blaming coaching for Frank being a terrible player is a horrible misinterpretation of reality.

You misunderstood what I was saying, in that I wasn't saying Frank's being a terrible player was due to coaching. I said that with great coaching he still wouldn't be better than what he is today; i.e., coaching wasn't really a factor. It was his level of talent.

[BKlutch]

Interesting post. Clearly we had people who lived Julius, so they might not be happy you put him in the Hated by Fans row. They must either be sleeping or silently planning their attack.

I supported Randle, his small handful of supporters would agree he was hated by the fanbase far too much for how good he mostly was.

Well said!

Randle did so much for our team and struggled from lack of talent surrounding him. People sometimes hate on players for not being perfect or being the GOAT, as he disappointed their exagerrated expectations. He was and remains a very good player, just not at prime Lebron level. Same as some folks hate Thibs for not winning the chip this year - he also has flaws, but he was the best coach we had in ages. However, people can really respect and like him but feel someone else might be better for taking the next step. It rarely has to be all or nothing, even here in Hamsterdam.

[Capn'O]

Randle was kind of the Thibs of players. Really solid but there were a couple of really obvious things he could do better that made his shortcomings frustrating. With that, both guys were a huge part of bringing the Knicks back to respectability and I'll always appreciate their contributions towards that. He got far too much hate.

[3toheadmelo]

With good coaching, Frank would have been much better. He'd have been what he is now - a mediocre Euroleague player. Frank may have looked the part, but he was never actually SGA material.

Blaming coaching for Frank being a terrible player is a horrible misinterpretation of reality.

You misunderstood what I was saying, in that I wasn't saying Frank's being a terrible player was due to coaching. I said that with great coaching he still wouldn't be better than what he is today; i.e., coaching wasn't really a factor. It was his level of talent.

Ah my bad!

[nykballa2k4]

i don’t think coaching is why frank isn’t more like SGA.

for starters, at no point has SGA ever moved shook.

With good coaching, Frank would have been much better. He'd have been what he is now - a mediocre Euroleague player. Frank may have looked the part, but he was never actually SGA material.

Blaming coaching for Frank being a terrible player is a horrible misinterpretation of reality.

Not being aware that team/situation plays a role in player development is somewhere between delusional and naive.

[Capn'O]

I root for the kids too...

We dont have any good ones to get excited about anymore

Have you seen Deuce most of the year...hot trash. Hukporti did a dunk in garbage time wow!!!!!!

Maybe someone will show out in summer league. Kolek could have been working on a NBA skill besides passing

Deuce was absolutely not hot trash. He shot worse but everything else he did helped the team win. He is our best POA defender, nearly doubled his assist numbers, and he's still enough of a shooting threat that he provides spacing. Of our rotation players, the team played best when Deuce was on the floor and most of our most successful lineups have him in it.

Save the sarcastic rebuttals about how I think he's our best player with a .400 fg%. The point is that you need guys like this _next to_ great players to build great teams. I'd take Deuce next to KAT and Brunson 10x over RJ even though RJ has more "building block" skills and high averages. RJ doesn't have the tools to be a great primary player AND doesn't have the tools to be a great role player. Deuce has the latter.

[3toheadmelo]

With good coaching, Frank would have been much better. He'd have been what he is now - a mediocre Euroleague player. Frank may have looked the part, but he was never actually SGA material.

Blaming coaching for Frank being a terrible player is a horrible misinterpretation of reality.

Not being aware that team/situation plays a role in player development is somewhere between delusional and naive.

If that was the case with Frank then he would’ve been successful the moment he left the Knicks. You’re arguing that Frank could’ve been SGA, which is delusional as hell

[BKlutch]

Blaming coaching for Frank being a terrible player is a horrible misinterpretation of reality.

Not being aware that team/situation plays a role in player development is somewhere between delusional and naive.

If that was the case with Frank then he would’ve been successful the moment he left the Knicks. You’re arguing that Frank could’ve been SGA, which is delusional as hell

What has Frank done for you lately?

Spoiler:

Frank is a guard for Partizan Mozzart Bet Belgrade
He's averaging 6.1 pts, 1.5 rebounds, 1.7 assists, 0.5 steals, and 0 blocks in the EuroLeague.

Same as he ever was. Same as he ever was.

[nykballa2k4]

Blaming coaching for Frank being a terrible player is a horrible misinterpretation of reality.

Not being aware that team/situation plays a role in player development is somewhere between delusional and naive.

If that was the case with Frank then he would’ve been successful the moment he left the Knicks. You’re arguing that Frank could’ve been SGA, which is delusional as hell

not what i said.

same tools coming in.
SGA picked #11 in 2018
https://nbadraft.theringer.com/2018/

A long, athletic combo guard who grinds defensively and flashes playmaking skills, but needs to improve his jumper.

Frank picked #8 2017.
https://nbadraft.theringer.com/2017/

A defensive stopper at the point guard spot with excellent feel, but his rawness leaves his upside a complete mystery.

Also keep in mind they are the same age.

[nykballa2k4]

Not being aware that team/situation plays a role in player development is somewhere between delusional and naive.

If that was the case with Frank then he would’ve been successful the moment he left the Knicks. You’re arguing that Frank could’ve been SGA, which is delusional as hell

What has Frank done for you lately?

Spoiler:

Frank is a guard for Partizan Mozzart Bet Belgrade
He's averaging 6.1 pts, 1.5 rebounds, 1.7 assists, 0.5 steals, and 0 blocks in the EuroLeague.

Same as he ever was. Same as he ever was.

Letting the days go by...

[3toheadmelo]

Not being aware that team/situation plays a role in player development is somewhere between delusional and naive.

If that was the case with Frank then he would’ve been successful the moment he left the Knicks. You’re arguing that Frank could’ve been SGA, which is delusional as hell

not what i said.

same tools coming in.
SGA picked #11 in 2018
https://nbadraft.theringer.com/2018/

A long, athletic combo guard who grinds defensively and flashes playmaking skills, but needs to improve his jumper.

Frank picked #8 2017.
https://nbadraft.theringer.com/2017/

A defensive stopper at the point guard spot with excellent feel, but his rawness leaves his upside a complete mystery.

Also keep in mind they are the same age.

They’re extremely different players and they have nothing alike besides having a long wingspan.

[3toheadmelo]

Not being aware that team/situation plays a role in player development is somewhere between delusional and naive.

If that was the case with Frank then he would’ve been successful the moment he left the Knicks. You’re arguing that Frank could’ve been SGA, which is delusional as hell

What has Frank done for you lately?

Spoiler:

Frank is a guard for Partizan Mozzart Bet Belgrade
He's averaging 6.1 pts, 1.5 rebounds, 1.7 assists, 0.5 steals, and 0 blocks in the EuroLeague.

Same as he ever was. Same as he ever was.

That’s wild that he’s averaging the same numbers in Europe

[Gravy]

We dont have any good ones to get excited about anymore

Have you seen Deuce most of the year...hot trash. Hukporti did a dunk in garbage time wow!!!!!!

Maybe someone will show out in summer league. Kolek could have been working on a NBA skill besides passing

Deuce was absolutely not hot trash. He shot worse but everything else he did helped the team win. He is our best POA defender, nearly doubled his assist numbers, and he's still enough of a shooting threat that he provides spacing. Of our rotation players, the team played best when Deuce was on the floor and most of our most successful lineups have him in it.

Save the sarcastic rebuttals about how I think he's our best player with a .400 fg%. The point is that you need guys like this _next to_ great players to build great teams. I'd take Deuce next to KAT and Brunson 10x over RJ even though RJ has more "building block" skills and high averages. RJ doesn't have the tools to be a great primary player AND doesn't have the tools to be a great role player. Deuce has the latter.

Deuce looked relatively good compared to the rest of the poor guards on our bench; Shamet, Cam, Wright, Kolek. We often compare our players to each other instead of to other teams players which they are competing with. I'd much rather have some of the bench pieces on Indy or OKC over Deuce last season. But we needed him because the other options we had were so much worse.

KAT and Brunson desperately needs extra defense next to them so Deuce was often our best option by default. Mikal seems out of place at sg and was a mess offensively and defensively at times. And Hart cannot shoot

[nykballa2k4]

If that was the case with Frank then he would’ve been successful the moment he left the Knicks. You’re arguing that Frank could’ve been SGA, which is delusional as hell

not what i said.

same tools coming in.
SGA picked #11 in 2018
https://nbadraft.theringer.com/2018/

A long, athletic combo guard who grinds defensively and flashes playmaking skills, but needs to improve his jumper.

Frank picked #8 2017.
https://nbadraft.theringer.com/2017/

A defensive stopper at the point guard spot with excellent feel, but his rawness leaves his upside a complete mystery.

Also keep in mind they are the same age.

They’re extremely different players and they have nothing alike besides having a long wingspan.

Frank is a good passer, good defender, physical profile similar to SGA.
That's what I am saying. You are trying to apply information from 2020 and onward to a talk about 2017 and 2018. Not really applicable. SGA exceeded his profile, Frank completely dissolved.

[3toheadmelo]

not what i said.

same tools coming in.
SGA picked #11 in 2018
https://nbadraft.theringer.com/2018/

Frank picked #8 2017.
https://nbadraft.theringer.com/2017/


Also keep in mind they are the same age.

They’re extremely different players and they have nothing alike besides having a long wingspan.

Frank is a good passer, good defender, physical profile similar to SGA.
That's what I am saying. You are trying to apply information from 2020 and onward to a talk about 2017 and 2018. Not really applicable. SGA exceeded his profile, Frank completely dissolved.

Where on earth is Frank doing the same moves SGA is doing when he was in college? SGA was much more advanced in college than Frank ever was at any point in his career. They’re extremely different.

Watch on YouTube

;pp=ygUqc2hhaSBnaWxnZW91cy1hbGV4YW5kZXIgY29sbGVnZSBoaWdobGlnaHRz

[nykballa2k4]

They’re extremely different players and they have nothing alike besides having a long wingspan.

Frank is a good passer, good defender, physical profile similar to SGA.
That's what I am saying. You are trying to apply information from 2020 and onward to a talk about 2017 and 2018. Not really applicable. SGA exceeded his profile, Frank completely dissolved.

Where on earth is Frank doing the same moves SGA is doing when he was in college? SGA was much more advanced in college than Frank ever was at any point in his career. They’re extremely different.

Watch on YouTube

;pp=ygUqc2hhaSBnaWxnZW91cy1hbGV4YW5kZXIgY29sbGVnZSBoaWdobGlnaHRz

Frank highlight. Same age as SGA in you college highlight track. He is making shots, passing well, driving, finishing through contact....

[3toheadmelo]

Frank is a good passer, good defender, physical profile similar to SGA.
That's what I am saying. You are trying to apply information from 2020 and onward to a talk about 2017 and 2018. Not really applicable. SGA exceeded his profile, Frank completely dissolved.

Where on earth is Frank doing the same moves SGA is doing when he was in college? SGA was much more advanced in college than Frank ever was at any point in his career. They’re extremely different.

Watch on YouTube

;pp=ygUqc2hhaSBnaWxnZW91cy1hbGV4YW5kZXIgY29sbGVnZSBoaWdobGlnaHRz

Frank highlight. Same age as SGA in you college highlight track. He is making shots, passing well, driving, finishing through contact....

Yea idk what you’re watching

[Jalen Bluntson]