Chris Paul's final season

[Effigy]

Been a good one, Point God

What a weird ass nickame. Is he even definitely a top FIVE point guard? And he calls himself that?!

Magic
Steph
Isiah
Oscar

are all clearly better than him, and I think I take Stockton and Kidd over him too.

[bonita_the_frog]

Chris Paul says he "intends" to play a year at the most, at least that was the word used in the question
That means he could play more than a year, because your intention is not the same as what you actually do...

[tsherkin]

I just don't think you can refer to it necessarily as "wrong" if that was the reality of the situation at the time. They were both starting from relatively similar talent levels around their roster. Deron went deeper in the playoffs w/ Utah, winning four playoff series to CP3's one. Consistently outdueled him head to head (12-4 record) and they put up similar stats against each other.

Those are extreme cherry-picked reasonings to why people made the argument, but they are still valid because citing off advanced stats when your team is getting your ass busted time and time again by a rival at your position just doesn't really hit that hard. CP3 obviously is, has been, and will always be the superior player, one of the best point guards ever, but those particulars still exist.

You're welcome to disagree. I don't see it as particularly close. The particulars of Deron's team record or individua scoring H2H with Paul, which was often healthier and better-coached, and with a better secondary player, don't mean much to me.

[Bloodbather]

Been a good one, Point God

What a weird ass nickame. Is he even definitely a top FIVE point guard? And he calls himself that?!

Magic
Steph
Isiah
Oscar

are all clearly better than him, and I think I take Stockton and Kidd over him too.

Isiah most definitely is not better than him.

Stockton and Kidd have arguments, but I'd take CP3 over them because he peaked considerably higher.

[Effigy]

Been a good one, Point God

What a weird ass nickame. Is he even definitely a top FIVE point guard? And he calls himself that?!

Magic
Steph
Isiah
Oscar

are all clearly better than him, and I think I take Stockton and Kidd over him too.

Isiah most definitely is not better than him.

Stockton and Kidd have arguments, but I'd take CP3 over them because he peaked considerably higher.

Isiah won 2 titles as the main guy. In the Bird, Magic and Jordan era. He's absolutely better.

Stockton is the all time leader in steals and assists and was a better shooter than Paul, so I don't see how Paul has an argument over him, really.

[JujitsuFlip]

A lot of people watching basketball today will never know how good CP3 really was. 07-08 CP3 was as good as any point guard ever not named Magic or Steph.

Steph is not a PG by any meaning of the word. He's usually the shortest guy on the court for his team, that's about it.

Draymond facilitates the offense and until last season, Klay defended the opposing teams PG/lead guard.

I mean he was the primary ball handler who normally brought the ball up. I'd say 20-30% of teams through NBA history had a guy we call a point guard who did the same role. The reality is positions are just made up concepts to teach kids the game. But for the purposes of the NBA...he's more a point guard than Lebron is a forward (lebron being an actual text book point guard most of his career other than his height). So meh...

Steph is a SG, he plays primarily off ball. Moves without the ball to have Draymond set him up for catch and shoot shots.

[HardenGoat]

Clippers make sense but latest rumor is he wants to start. That’s not happening there. Beal is more likely the next Clipper

[LakersLegacy]

New Orleans
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[dhsilv2]

Steph is not a PG by any meaning of the word. He's usually the shortest guy on the court for his team, that's about it.

Draymond facilitates the offense and until last season, Klay defended the opposing teams PG/lead guard.

I mean he was the primary ball handler who normally brought the ball up. I'd say 20-30% of teams through NBA history had a guy we call a point guard who did the same role. The reality is positions are just made up concepts to teach kids the game. But for the purposes of the NBA...he's more a point guard than Lebron is a forward (lebron being an actual text book point guard most of his career other than his height). So meh...

Steph is a SG, he plays primarily off ball. Moves without the ball to have Draymond set him up for catch and shoot shots.

I get it. It's a modified triangle which doesn't have a true traditional point. But none the less, if we're calling someone on that team the point. Odds are it's going to the guy who's the primary ball handler and Curry is the guy who primarily brings it up the court and starts the offense. Which runs through Dray in the high post.

[Chokic]

Should have been retired three years ago.

[JujitsuFlip]

https://marcstein.substack.com/p/the-latest-hottest-and-freshest-nba

Lmao he allegedly turned down an offer from the Hornets.

[og15]

Been a good one, Point God

What a weird ass nickame. Is he even definitely a top FIVE point guard? And he calls himself that?!

Magic
Steph
Isiah
Oscar

are all clearly better than him, and I think I take Stockton and Kidd over him too.

The nickname Chris Paul "gave himself" is CP3, and it is because his last name is Paul and he was the third Paul in the family with the initials CP and then of course wore the jersey #3.

The "point god" nickname is not self proclaimed, it was given by fans/social media, lol

What a weird ass nickame. Is he even definitely a top FIVE point guard? And he calls himself that?!

Magic
Steph
Isiah
Oscar

are all clearly better than him, and I think I take Stockton and Kidd over him too.

Isiah most definitely is not better than him.

Stockton and Kidd have arguments, but I'd take CP3 over them because he peaked considerably higher.

Isiah won 2 titles as the main guy. In the Bird, Magic and Jordan era. He's absolutely better.

Stockton is the all time leader in steals and assists and was a better shooter than Paul, so I don't see how Paul has an argument over him, really.

Was he though? Stockton had lower volume from everywhere, and the one place not affected by volume and defense, FT's, Paul wins in career 87% to 83% and has 5 seasons with 90%+, another 2 at 89.2% and 89.6%. Stockton's career high is 86.3%, Paul beat that 10/20 seasons.

Despite the higher volume (significant, 15.3 FGA to 9.9 FGA), and no short 3PT line seasons, Paul also out shot Stockton from all locations in the post season:

52.8% 2PT, 37.3% 3PT, 85.4% FT
///vs///
50.7 2PT, 32.6% 3PT, 81.0% FT.

Is Stockton actually a better shooter? It's definitely not a numbers (in context) argument, so what exactly is it here? That in no way contradicts that he was a very good shooter, money from mid-range (though so is Paul), but was he actually better?

Also Paul has the better scorer argument, it's really not close, and I can look at the teams Paul was on, and not one time can I say, "man, if they had Stockton instead they would have done better". People were even saying Paul should be shooting more, and that was a critique of Stockton, and his volume was far less. If Stockton could have created the same amount of volume at Paul and keeping the same efficiency, most would argue that the Jazz would have benefitted from that, but you would be hard pressed to find anyone arguing that any of the teams Paul played on needed less scoring and more passing from the PG. Now health, that's the place Stockton wins hands down.

[Lalouie]

is this that woman who got fired from espn like over a decade ago?

[uraverage]

Everyone tries to retire in FL, come to ORL, no state tax and the East is open.

[scrabbarista]

Phenomenal career, and I have a feeling will largely become EXTREMELY underrated because he never won a ring or MVP. He so close to both accolades but just couldn't get over the hump.

The fact is that despite being 6 feet tall, Paul was an MVP level player for about 15 straight years, one of the highest IQ and skilled players ever, and made every team he was on much better. He was an impact player in every sense of the word and did it consistently on both ends.

Also, the fact that him and Harden were within a game from beating the super team juggernaut Warriors that demolished the Lebron super team Cavs, says something about how good this guy was. Him pulling his hammy in game 6 will go down as one of the most unfortunate injuries in playoff history.

True.

He pulled the hammy in Game 5, though.

[antonac]

I'd like him on Denver to fill in playmaking duties when Jokic sits, there is room for the back up point to get substantial minutes and they're gunning for a ring.

[LakersLegacy]

I'd like him on Denver to fill in playmaking duties when Jokic sits, there is room for the back up point to get substantial minutes and they're gunning for a ring.

That's fun

[JujitsuFlip]

I'd like him on Denver to fill in playmaking duties when Jokic sits, there is room for the back up point to get substantial minutes and they're gunning for a ring.

Allegedly his stipulation is he wants to start.