Shams: The Clippers, Jazz and Heat have agreed to a trade Norman Powell, John Collins and Kevin Love

PickleJ · Post #41 » by **PickleJ** » Mon Jul 7, 2025 4:31 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:
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at least he wasnt traded for a fax machine

I think the Jazz would have gladly taken a fax machine if it had the required $4 million dollar cap hit to make the deal work.

Basketball_Jones · Post #42 » by **Basketball_Jones** » Mon Jul 7, 2025 4:33 pm

Not really sure why you need both Hero and Powell but okay

JShuttlesworth · Post #43 » by **JShuttlesworth** » Mon Jul 7, 2025 4:34 pm

Feels like the Heat made out like bandits here

Los_29 · Post #44 » by **Los_29** » Mon Jul 7, 2025 4:46 pm

Basketball_Jones wrote:Not really sure why you need both Hero and Powell but okay

Herro is levels above Norm. He can pass, create for himself and others. Norm will be a great guy off the bench for them. And they traded nothing to get him.

GLF · Post #45 » by **GLF** » Mon Jul 7, 2025 4:47 pm

It’s funny how media views Norm as a low risk trade and a guy who brings a level of scoring Miami desperately needs (I agree with this assessment btw), but the Raptors bringing in BI was the worst thing, even though we also needed his skill set offensively pretty badly and we gave up very little to get him as well. Oh and BI is a MUCH better player than Norm. Oh and we didn’t lose BI to free agency because we gave him a contract right away and he didn’t hurt our tank bc he didn’t play. Injury is the only issue and even 50 games of BI is probably better than a whole season of Norm (and Norm most likely would not play the whole season).

And this is all because we are viewed as a tanking/rebuilding team and Miami isn’t. Which is funny because Miami lost their best player in Jimmy just like we did in Pascal and if we did not actively sit players to tank and we were much more healthy throughout the season we would have been in the play-in right alongside Miami lol. Miami is the type of team that most people would consider “treadmill” and would say they should tank instead of being buyers. I guess those things are only said about the Raptors lol

ATLTimekeeper · Post #46 » by **ATLTimekeeper** » Mon Jul 7, 2025 4:50 pm

Beal is going to give up money on a buyout. Ballmer violates the CBA and knows the NBA won't touch him. That's why Beal will go there, gladly.

I dunno, Collins is a loser and so is Beal. Norm is a winner. I think Miami wins this one.

OakleyDokely · Post #47 » by **OakleyDokely** » Mon Jul 7, 2025 4:53 pm

ATLTimekeeper wrote:Beal is going to give up money on a buyout. Ballmer violates the CBA and knows the NBA won't touch him. That's why Beal will go there, gladly.

I dunno, Collins is a loser and so is Beal. Norm is a winner. I think Miami wins this one.

Even if the NBA finds something on Ballmer, they're going to penalize him by taking away a 2045 2nd round pick.

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #48 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Mon Jul 7, 2025 5:28 pm

I think I'd rather have kept Powell over Collins for the Clippers

sidsid · Post #49 » by **sidsid** » Mon Jul 7, 2025 5:30 pm

The Clippers are just lining up contracts to expire with Kawhi in 2 years. Surprised they didn't look for a 2 year deal someone was looking to offload to get some extra juice in the trade. Maybe nothing out there outside of RJ.

Miami is looking for the exact same cap space play as the Clippers are. They shave some salary for next year, unless they're looking at re-signing him? Pretty small price to pay regardless.

OakleyDokely · Post #50 » by **OakleyDokely** » Mon Jul 7, 2025 5:30 pm

Collins actually had a strong (half) year. 19/8 on 53/40/85 splits. But it's hard to evaluate anything coming out of that Jazz franchise over the last couple years. They will probably let Ace take 30 shots a game.

OakleyDokely · Post #51 » by **OakleyDokely** » Mon Jul 7, 2025 5:33 pm

sidsid wrote:The Clippers are just lining up contracts to expire with Kawhi in 2 years. Surprised they didn't look for a 2 year deal someone was looking to offload to get some extra juice in the trade. Maybe nothing out there outside of RJ.

Miami is looking for the exact same cap space play as the Clippers are. They shave some salary for next year, unless they're looking at re-signing him? Pretty small price to pay regardless.

Powell and Collins are basically on the same deal so I doubt it was money related. They were probably just balancing the roster out. They have a bigger need for frontcourt players than guards.

All the players in this deal are on expiring's, except for Anderson who has non guaranteed money next year.

arbsn · Post #52 » by **arbsn** » Mon Jul 7, 2025 5:39 pm

Norm powell somehow continuing to be underrated and disrespected despite playing like a border-line all star last year is shocking

He is significantly better than John Collins

sidsid · Post #53 » by **sidsid** » Mon Jul 7, 2025 5:47 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:
sidsid wrote:The Clippers are just lining up contracts to expire with Kawhi in 2 years. Surprised they didn't look for a 2 year deal someone was looking to offload to get some extra juice in the trade. Maybe nothing out there outside of RJ.

Miami is looking for the exact same cap space play as the Clippers are. They shave some salary for next year, unless they're looking at re-signing him? Pretty small price to pay regardless.

Powell and Collins are basically on the same deal so I doubt it was money related. They were probably just balancing the roster out. They have a bigger need for frontcourt players than guards.

All the players in this deal are on expiring's, except for Anderson who has non guaranteed money next year.

Yeah, I see that it's just a positional play for the Clippers. The end result is they won't be re-signing anyone more than on a 1 year regardless. I just thought they'd be looking for more future value, but it's probably not there, or attached to uselessness.

Funny thing is my recommended offseason moves for the Thunder to stay out of the tax next year would have worked with Norm, assuming the Bucks are trying to do something for Giannis.

- Norm to Thunder consolidation trade/cap move
- Joe/Wiggins to Bucks depth/youth move
- Kuzma to Clips. 2 year garbage contract at position fitting the plan. Some minor picks for the trouble.

Kurtz · Post #54 » by **Kurtz** » Mon Jul 7, 2025 5:52 pm

Norm might be the most disrespected player in the league based on what he keeps returning in trades.

deck · Post #55 » by **deck** » Mon Jul 7, 2025 5:55 pm

I see lots of folks on the General Board rationalizing this for the Clippers due to them planning to sign Beal. Scratching my head as I feel like replacing Powell with Beal is a downgrade.

InfraRedshaw · Post #56 » by **InfraRedshaw** » Mon Jul 7, 2025 6:03 pm

^^

yeah but its Norm for Beal + Collins

not just Norm for Beal

Bruin · Post #57 » by **Bruin** » Mon Jul 7, 2025 6:04 pm

Nearly an all Bruin trade. Collins had to ruin it smh

Pointgod · Post #58 » by **Pointgod** » Mon Jul 7, 2025 6:20 pm

deck wrote:I see lots of folks on the General Board rationalizing this for the Clippers due to them planning to sign Beal. Scratching my head as I feel like replacing Powell with Beal is a downgrade.

You’re completely ignoring the Collins part of the equation. I’d rather have Powell than Beal from a fit perspective, but adding Collins to a front court of Kawhi, Zubac, Lopez is a pretty good move. Collins and Powell put up similar numbers and Collins is 4 years younger and addresses a glaring need

LoveMyRaps · Post #59 » by **LoveMyRaps** » Mon Jul 7, 2025 6:43 pm

Yeah, let's hang onto RJ. We're not getting anything for him.

WuTang_CMB · Post #60 » by **WuTang_CMB** » Mon Jul 7, 2025 7:07 pm

Jazz got rid of all the vets and are all in on Cam Boozer now lol
they need lotto luck still