Tom Thibodeau fired pt 2

[prophet_of_rage]

Noooo?????? You mean to say that a team’s talent level impacts how well they do? That’s unbelievable! I had no clue. Gee thanks, Mantis.

So if the Knicks do better this coming season, will it be due to the take talent level, the lack of competition in the EC, or the new head coach?

You’re “argument” and is basically “but this goes to 11”

Just admit defeat.

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wingo, when thibs got here, the 1st season still was a losing record (11-14)....until FO traded for derrick rose, then they went on a magical cinderella run that led to playoffs for the 1st time since 8 years ago

the FO has been building from strength to strength since the rj barrett draft season and is the major reason we have guys like brunson kat and og. Thibs wasnt a magical git gud pill like everyone is romanticizing. Remove the derrick rose trade and all the personnel improvements and everyone would think its the same ol' losing knicks

Right so as the quality of the roster increased, the better the results were. I have no issue with that statement of fact. The issue is why was Thibs fired? For what reason(s)? I firmly believe, as others do, that the main reason why Thibs was fired was because he “wasn’t cooperative with management.” CP The Franchise said the same thing on his podcast.

Here’s a good question, “Did you like the the Knicks’ trade of 2 second round draft picks for Cam Reddish?” I would say with great confidence that Thibs was right on that one. How about giving IQ a lot of responsibility even in his rookie season.

You people are creating your own reason for why you wanted this out and when they’re countered by the facts, then claim, “Well Thibs sucked and he had to go!”

So what happened after that? Oopsy, there were no clear choices better than Thibs. In fact, we passed on another HC consideration in and NBA champ Mike Malone who is widely considered as a Thibs clone. So who do we eventually hire after scouring the NBA and NCAA? The guy referred to as “Black Thibs”. A couch who is no better than Thibs. The reason why he was hired was because he’ll be a good “Yes” man. He won’t “whine” when Leon makes another “Cam Reddish” trade. Maybe now that Thibs turned us into winners, Dolan and Leon think “Yeah, we got this now. Fuq Thibs”?

I think it’s the later.

It's Wes who wanted Thibs gone and had the player support to get it done. That's CP's soirce.

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[HarthorneWingo]

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We replaced Payne/Shamet/Wright with Jordan Clarkson. We replaced Precious with Yabusele. We aren't deeper at all. We still have two spots to fill just to get to the minimum 14 players(unless I missed something this weekend).

Thibs had a bench. This narrative that he didn't is absolute nonsense. The fact that someone thinks we're deeper with only 12 players shows how ridiculous it is.

I’m of the opinion that scouts like Walt Perrin and Frank Zanin were as instrumental in Thibs’ firing as Wes was. It’s a kick in the nuts when you scout college and pro players, only for them to rot on the bench. Our depth really depends on what the sophomore players can bring to the table, and I don’t think we’ve seen enough of them to really know one way or the other

They’re not “just rotting on the bench”. They’re learning the game from the bench and in practice working with the coaching staff. You think that they’re stuffed into their lockers all day. They’re working on their games.

[HarthorneWingo]

wingo, when thibs got here, the 1st season still was a losing record (11-14)....until FO traded for derrick rose, then they went on a magical cinderella run that led to playoffs for the 1st time since 8 years ago

the FO has been building from strength to strength since the rj barrett draft season and is the major reason we have guys like brunson kat and og. Thibs wasnt a magical git gud pill like everyone is romanticizing. Remove the derrick rose trade and all the personnel improvements and everyone would think its the same ol' losing knicks

Right so as the quality of the roster increased, the better the results were. I have no issue with that statement of fact. The issue is why was Thibs fired? For what reason(s)? I firmly believe, as others do, that the main reason why Thibs was fired was because he “wasn’t cooperative with management.” CP The Franchise said the same thing on his podcast.

Here’s a good question, “Did you like the the Knicks’ trade of 2 second round draft picks for Cam Reddish?” I would say with great confidence that Thibs was right on that one. How about giving IQ a lot of responsibility even in his rookie season.

You people are creating your own reason for why you wanted this out and when they’re countered by the facts, then claim, “Well Thibs sucked and he had to go!”

So what happened after that? Oopsy, there were no clear choices better than Thibs. In fact, we passed on another HC consideration in and NBA champ Mike Malone who is widely considered as a Thibs clone. So who do we eventually hire after scouring the NBA and NCAA? The guy referred to as “Black Thibs”. A couch who is no better than Thibs. The reason why he was hired was because he’ll be a good “Yes” man. He won’t “whine” when Leon makes another “Cam Reddish” trade. Maybe now that Thibs turned us into winners, Dolan and Leon think “Yeah, we got this now. Fuq Thibs”?

I think it’s the later.

It's Wes who wanted Thibs gone and had the player support to get it done. That's CP's soirce.

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Wes? That dumbass? Jesus. That waste of space is worthless to this team. He’s Leon’s snitch. That’s it.

[Iron Mantis]

We replaced Payne/Shamet/Wright with Jordan Clarkson. We replaced Precious with Yabusele. We aren't deeper at all. We still have two spots to fill just to get to the minimum 14 players(unless I missed something this weekend).

Thibs had a bench. This narrative that he didn't is absolute nonsense. The fact that someone thinks we're deeper with only 12 players shows how ridiculous it is.

I’m of the opinion that scouts like Walt Perrin and Frank Zanin were as instrumental in Thibs’ firing as Wes was. It’s a kick in the nuts when you scout college and pro players, only for them to rot on the bench. Our depth really depends on what the sophomore players can bring to the table, and I don’t think we’ve seen enough of them to really know one way or the other

They’re not “just rotting on the bench”. They’re learning the game from the bench and in practice working with the coaching staff. You think that they’re stuffed into their lockers all day. They’re working on their games.

The overwhelming consensus among coaches and players is there's no substitute for playing in real NBA games as the most crucial part to player development; there has to be a balance.

"Learning from the bench" for years is a cop out for a coach who doesn't have the skills or patience to develop young players.

[Fat Kat]

We replaced Payne/Shamet/Wright with Jordan Clarkson. We replaced Precious with Yabusele. We aren't deeper at all. We still have two spots to fill just to get to the minimum 14 players(unless I missed something this weekend).

Thibs had a bench. This narrative that he didn't is absolute nonsense. The fact that someone thinks we're deeper with only 12 players shows how ridiculous it is.

I’m of the opinion that scouts like Walt Perrin and Frank Zanin were as instrumental in Thibs’ firing as Wes was. It’s a kick in the nuts when you scout college and pro players, only for them to rot on the bench. Our depth really depends on what the sophomore players can bring to the table, and I don’t think we’ve seen enough of them to really know one way or the other

They’re not “just rotting on the bench”. They’re learning the game from the bench and in practice working with the coaching staff. You think that they’re stuffed into their lockers all day. They’re working on their games.

The team didn’t practice much under Thibs, so they’re not getting much there. I’m sure working with the coaches helps, but not nearly as much as game play. Funny thing is, the team could’ve practiced more if he just played the bench a little bit.

[Capn'O]

It's Wes who wanted Thibs gone and had the player support to get it done. That's CP's source.

Yup. Very clearly. He's been pushing that angle for years. It's likely both him and Rose liked Brown due to past connections through LeBron. Might even be an olive branch between the two.

[Montmorencie]

I am OK with letting Thibs go but if you either:

1. Bring championship caliber coach, with proven resume
2. Bring an inexperienced, young but with strong potential mind and fresh ideas

We literally brought one of the biggest losers in the last two decades, like wtf is this decision>.....

[Jalen Bluntson]

I am OK with letting Thibs go but if you either:

1. Bring championship caliber coach, with proven resume
2. Bring an inexperienced, young but with strong potential mind and fresh ideas

We literally brought one of the biggest losers in the last two decades, like wtf is this decision>.....

Biggest loser in the last two decades who only has one losing season in his career?

[Iron Mantis]

Thibs stans really think we still have a roster where washed Jarrett Jack is the team's best player.

Literally any coach could coach this roster equal to, or better than what Thibs had done .... This team is full of talent, with two legit stars.

[ctorres]

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[Barcs]

What part about what happened don't you Thibs apologists understand?

Thibs was supposed to use the bench, PERIOD. He refused to, and his monkey azz got canned.. the team would not have imploded if Thibs used and developed the bench during the season and had them ready for the playoffs.

Neither the players, or the FO are convinced they were in the ECF cuz Thibs is a great coach. They do, however, believe in the team's talent level.

Thibs is buns.. it's why he got fired...the players and FO wanted it. He's trash and thankfully he's gone forever.

Feast with me... we're eating good:

If Thibs used our full bench we'd have 7-8 less wins and likely don't beat Boston.

Right

Well I say that if Thibs played the bench we would have 7-8 more wins, likely swept Boston, had enough energy to beat Indiana, and had the depth to beat the Thunder.

Thibs got fired, so looks like I'm right and you're wrong.

Cool, so 1 + 1 = Applesauce.

[Iron Mantis]

If Thibs used our full bench we'd have 7-8 less wins and likely don't beat Boston.

Right

Well I say that if Thibs played the bench we would have 7-8 more wins, likely swept Boston, had enough energy to beat Indiana, and had the depth to beat the Thunder.

Thibs got fired, so looks like I'm right and you're wrong.

Cool, so 1 + 1 = Applesauce.

Thibs + fired = you lose

[HarthorneWingo]

I’m of the opinion that scouts like Walt Perrin and Frank Zanin were as instrumental in Thibs’ firing as Wes was. It’s a kick in the nuts when you scout college and pro players, only for them to rot on the bench. Our depth really depends on what the sophomore players can bring to the table, and I don’t think we’ve seen enough of them to really know one way or the other

They’re not “just rotting on the bench”. They’re learning the game from the bench and in practice working with the coaching staff. You think that they’re stuffed into their lockers all day. They’re working on their games.

The team didn’t practice much under Thibs, so they’re not getting much there. I’m sure working with the coaches helps, but not nearly as much as game play. Funny thing is, the team could’ve practiced more if he just played the bench a little bit.

We’re not a developing team. We were trying to win a title. We had new vet players that needed to be on the court to develop chemistry. It didn’t help that the starters struggled in that regard.

You wanted Dadiet to get time? Please.

Huk was getting time before he got hurt.

Kolek was too iffy defensively to give more time.

[HarthorneWingo]

I’m of the opinion that scouts like Walt Perrin and Frank Zanin were as instrumental in Thibs’ firing as Wes was. It’s a kick in the nuts when you scout college and pro players, only for them to rot on the bench. Our depth really depends on what the sophomore players can bring to the table, and I don’t think we’ve seen enough of them to really know one way or the other

They’re not “just rotting on the bench”. They’re learning the game from the bench and in practice working with the coaching staff. You think that they’re stuffed into their lockers all day. They’re working on their games.

The overwhelming consensus among coaches and players is there's no substitute for playing in real NBA games as the most crucial part to player development; there has to be a balance.

"Learning from the bench" for years is a cop out for a coach who doesn't have the skills or patience to develop young players.

You need to account for the fact that we’re a veteran team looking to win a title. We weren’t the Utah Jazz. You don’t apply the same player development strategies for title contenders and retooling teams. Jesus man, get a grip.

[Ravenxvirall]

This whole damn page is hilarious. We have folks that think thibs developed youth? Do we also have programs in place to help those brain unfortunate people?

[Ravenxvirall]

Anyways back to real world Knick news please. Oh wait I got trapped in the circle of hell where people still give **** about a mid coach and think he’s good. Let me the **** outta here!!!!!

[JayTWill]

They’re not “just rotting on the bench”. They’re learning the game from the bench and in practice working with the coaching staff. You think that they’re stuffed into their lockers all day. They’re working on their games.

The overwhelming consensus among coaches and players is there's no substitute for playing in real NBA games as the most crucial part to player development; there has to be a balance.

"Learning from the bench" for years is a cop out for a coach who doesn't have the skills or patience to develop young players.

You need to account for the fact that we’re a veteran team looking to win a title. We weren’t the Utah Jazz. You don’t apply the same player development strategies for title contenders and retooling teams. Jesus man, get a grip.

OKC disagrees with you

[HarthorneWingo]

The overwhelming consensus among coaches and players is there's no substitute for playing in real NBA games as the most crucial part to player development; there has to be a balance.

"Learning from the bench" for years is a cop out for a coach who doesn't have the skills or patience to develop young players.

You need to account for the fact that we’re a veteran team looking to win a title. We weren’t the Utah Jazz. You don’t apply the same player development strategies for title contenders and retooling teams. Jesus man, get a grip.

OKC disagrees with you

How many years did OKC tank for? You’re comparing apples and oranges.

[Iron Mantis]

They’re not “just rotting on the bench”. They’re learning the game from the bench and in practice working with the coaching staff. You think that they’re stuffed into their lockers all day. They’re working on their games.

The overwhelming consensus among coaches and players is there's no substitute for playing in real NBA games as the most crucial part to player development; there has to be a balance.

"Learning from the bench" for years is a cop out for a coach who doesn't have the skills or patience to develop young players.

You need to account for the fact that we’re a veteran team looking to win a title. We weren’t the Utah Jazz. You don’t apply the same player development strategies for title contenders and retooling teams. Jesus man, get a grip.

He says "get a grip", meanwhile Thibs is in the unemployment line because the entire FO and players share my view on this matter

Your obsession with Thibs has left you completely detached from reality.

There's a balance to developing young guys and remaining competitive.....Thibs is unwilling/incapable of finding that balance. So he got fired.

You can make all the fanciful excuses you want.. He got fired for failing in this area, among many others.

Did you know Thibs got canned? Let me remind you, Thibs got fired. It case you missed it, Thibs got fired. Oh, by the way...Thibs got fired.

[Adelheid]

In the NBA, when a team exceeds the second apron, they face significant restrictions on trades, including not being able to aggregate salaries (combine multiple players' salaries to match a larger salary in a trade) and not being able to use past trade exceptions. Additionally, they cannot send cash out in trades, trade first-round picks seven years in the future, or use the mid-level exception.

this situation is almost death sentence for any team vying for contention; you simply cant be in this situation...that is why, player development and maximizing the usage of the of the 15-20 man roster is important; you cant fill the squad with expensive pieces and you cant rely on veteran minimum guys solely for fillings because other teams are going for them as well. You have to spot talent in all aspects, from rookies up to old and cheap players, and you cant afford to be choosy and wasteful with the guys that you play and Thibs is guilty of that offense.