Trades and Transactions 2025 IV

[GONYK]

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[HEZI]

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[sol537]

Ainge stinks so far

[3toheadmelo]

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He must be trying to tank at this point lol

[Knick4Real]

Ainge stinks! so far

Fixed it!

[JayTWill]

that's another example of mismanagement of assets, having to trade Grimes. right now, I would LOVE to have Grimes on this roster. he'd be great at the 2 next to Brunson because he can defend the POA, hit 3's w/ volume from all zones (not just the corners), and he's got more in his bag in terms of shot creation and playmaking

but he wasn't doing those things consistently with the knicks, or anyone else, until this past silly season.

knicks is where he got the most run and best sustained role.

never understood this argument in the context of this offseason's transactions.

Wasn't Grimes a good defender and shooter his 1st two seasons with the Knicks? I remember him being rated highly for his shooting, ability to attack closeouts and his ability to get over a screen on defense. I feel like all of that got thrown in the window in some fans minds when he got off to a slow start in his 3rd year.

Ignoring the inflated numbers he put up on a bad Sixer's team while playing no defense, Grimes had previously shown the capability of playing the role Mikal was given as a 3 and D player with limited on ball responsibilities. Trading 5 picks for that role seems to be a bit much no matter how good the player is. I don't even know if Mikal provided any more consistency in that role than Grimes did and I am one of Mikal's biggest defenders on this board.

[mpharris36]

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He must be trying to tank at this point lol

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they leaving no doubt about any chance of outperforming expectations.

[DaGawd]

being a jazz fan has to suck hard right now

[JayTWill]

I would have been ok with the move if it was the final piece to a championship contender but they made that move and then a week later they didn't have a healthy rotational center on the roster. They eventually traded for KAT months later but then they were left with no depth, limited financial flexibility and not many avenues to address the holes in the roster.

I have no problem with the player Mikal is. I think he was a great piece to add at his salary and age but it still doesn't justify the price paid imo. We are now competing against teams that are younger than the Knicks with more room for internal improvement and more assets to improve their roster while the Knicks are trying to find bargain pieces to fill major holes.

It's great they kept most of the core together but the core still has holes in it and they still ended up trading DDV and Randle and losing iHart in free agency with Mitch missing most of the year due to injury after the Mikal trade. Brunson, Hart, OG and Deuce were the only core pieces remaining that played most of the season and Brunson and OG may be the only irreplaceable pieces of that core.

As far as other options I prefer Mikal's fit over someone like DeAndre Hunter but if Hunter could have been acquired for Bogey and a couple firsts they could still have 3 firsts, a swap and some 2nds to attach to someone like Hart or Mitch's contract to make another upgrade to the roster. I would have even taken Grimes back for the limited cost the Mavs and Sixers paid for him. We could probably have both those guys for less than it cost to acquire Mikal.

Building a solid core is much harder than putting pieces around it. They gave themselves a 3-4 year window to compete for a championship. Call the season what you want but even without much depth, the team was 6 wins away from a championship. Now they are another year in, added some depth with Clarkson and Yabu plus whoever else they sign with the vet min spot left, another year of grown from the young guys. Playing revisionist history when the team is in a very good place is completely unnecessary and strange.

No one hated the Mikal trade more than me, but it's time to move on. We have a top team in the wide open east (sure, aided by injuries). We improved in the margins. And we brought in a new coach who might be a little more flexible with the lineup.

Personally - I still think the team need to break one of Hart, OG, or Mikal into two rotational pieces - a durable big and a replacement wing (ie OG for PJ Washington/Daniel Gafford). But it doesn't seem like that's in the cards this offseason. And I get it. They went all in, got to the confernce finals, and the conference is wide open next year. Now isn't the time to move off this core.

[HEZI]

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He must be trying to tank at this point lol

Could have done that and gotten better assets in return. He probably waited too long to move them because he was greedy and wanted more so now he couldn’t even get a 1st round pick and basically lost them all for nothing. They have been tanking for a few years now anyway so I don’t think anything really changes with the approach, it’s not like they were winning before

[sol537]

Top 6 worst NBA futures (the next 1-10 years)?

-> CHA
-> TOR
-> UTA
-> NOP
-> CHI
-> PHX

Anyone else come to mind? We used to be in that mix for like 2 decades straight... good times!

[mpharris36]

being a jazz fan has to suck hard right now

its gotta suck for sure but like Dallas they were furious and got graced by the basketball gods...all it takes for one lottery to fall your way.

And the 2026 class has some high end talent.

[stuporman]

Remember when everybody was thinking Ainge was a genius? Neither do I...he's been so bad the Jazz can't even tank properly.

[TheGreenArrow]

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Would love his addition if it’s possible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sol537]

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Would love his addition if it’s possible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We might hit a minutes crunch but 1-year vet min would be pretty low risk.

[Fat Kat]

Ainge has pissed so many people off. It makes it difficult for him to do deals.

[Jeff Van Gully]

that's another example of mismanagement of assets, having to trade Grimes. right now, I would LOVE to have Grimes on this roster. he'd be great at the 2 next to Brunson because he can defend the POA, hit 3's w/ volume from all zones (not just the corners), and he's got more in his bag in terms of shot creation and playmaking

but he wasn't doing those things consistently with the knicks, or anyone else, until this past silly season.

knicks is where he got the most run and best sustained role.

never understood this argument in the context of this offseason's transactions.

Wasn't Grimes a good defender and shooter his 1st two seasons with the Knicks? I remember him being rated highly for his shooting, ability to attack closeouts and his ability to get over a screen on defense. I feel like all of that got thrown in the window in some fans minds when he got off to a slow start in his 3rd year.

Ignoring the inflated numbers he put up on a bad Sixer's team while playing no defense, Grimes had previously shown the capability of playing the role Mikal was given as a 3 and D player with limited on ball responsibilities. Trading 5 picks for that role seems to be a bit much no matter how good the player is. I don't even know if Mikal provided any more consistency in that role than Grimes did and I am one of Mikal's biggest defenders on this board.

we wanted him to be a superstar in the role, but the idea was better than the execution. defense was always solid, which i think kept him starting and playing. we wanted to make a deep playoff run then and really needed the scoring, so i understood not waiting and making a trade for a bigger salary asset -- then another trade.

he's in a position now to get paid soon. love it for him. hope what we saw was not fool's gold. but when he could only do it when he did, it's hard to trust that. doesn't seem like the market has the confidence in him that some of us here do.

[Jalen Bluntson]

I guess the Knicks will clean up these Yabu/JC contracts and maybe wait for the buyout market to run its course before signing that last vet mini. Possibly waiting to see what rookie we sign closer to the start of the season. At least after summer league.

Not seeming like much else left to do outside of Mikal/Mitch decisions. Finalize Brown's coaching staff too.

Brunson/Kolek
Deuce/JC/Pac
Mikal/Hart
OG/Yabu
KAT/Mitch/Huk

That backup PG needs experience. Kolek will have a shot to prove himself at least.

[JayTWill]

but he wasn't doing those things consistently with the knicks, or anyone else, until this past silly season.

knicks is where he got the most run and best sustained role.

never understood this argument in the context of this offseason's transactions.

Wasn't Grimes a good defender and shooter his 1st two seasons with the Knicks? I remember him being rated highly for his shooting, ability to attack closeouts and his ability to get over a screen on defense. I feel like all of that got thrown in the window in some fans minds when he got off to a slow start in his 3rd year.

Ignoring the inflated numbers he put up on a bad Sixer's team while playing no defense, Grimes had previously shown the capability of playing the role Mikal was given as a 3 and D player with limited on ball responsibilities. Trading 5 picks for that role seems to be a bit much no matter how good the player is. I don't even know if Mikal provided any more consistency in that role than Grimes did and I am one of Mikal's biggest defenders on this board.

we wanted him to be a superstar in the role, but the idea was better than the execution. defense was always solid, which i think kept him starting and playing. we wanted to make a deep playoff run then and really needed the scoring, so i understood not waiting and making a trade for a bigger salary asset -- then another trade.

he's in a position now to get paid soon. love it for him. hope what we saw was not fool's gold. but when he could only do it when he did, it's hard to trust that. doesn't seem like the market has the confidence in him that some of us here do.

Personally what Grimes did on the Sixers or what Mikal did on the Nets doesn't mean much to me. They would not have that role on most teams trying to win. I feel like the Grimes conversation at times gets reduced down to what happened on the Knicks his last year and what happened on the Sixers when he looked really good his first two years in New York and looked really good again on a very good Mavs team in the role that was very similar to the one we got Mikal to play.

It's hard to justify paying 5 picks for that role no matter what imo and I don't see a 5 pick difference in what those 2 players brought to that role. Grimes struggled finding a role next to ball dominant players in Thibs offense. Mikal also struggled to find a role even with less ball dominant and better spacing players in Thibs offense. I can't imagine anyone would have suggested offering Grimes and 5 picks for Mikal when he was a superstar in his role in Phoenix.

[stuporman]

That vetmin will be used on some guy who will be lauded when they sign as another coup for Rose but all season long fans will hate because they suck and are taking time from (insert young player here)