Moderators: MickeyDavis, paulpressey25
Ron Swanson wrote:According to BBall-Reference, Harris did log 39% of his minutes at "point guard" 2-seasons ago. Seems like a reach if the plan is for him to be the break-glass-in-case-of-emergency guy there, but maybe that's the thought process. Just hilarious that we had to give him a player option.
skbucks1985 wrote:soxperry wrote:skbucks1985 wrote:
For the same reason the Bucks did to Dame, to save money which allows for additional roster maneuverability. Plus, him, Booker and Jalen Green is even more redundancy than last year with KD.
Its not like Dame at all. Dude is fully healthy. Im just responding to the question of proof for malcontent.. there it is.
But it is the same as Dame because they're prioritizing the saved money and additional roster flexibility above that player. In the Bucks case it was because Dame is injured and in the Suns case its plausible that its because of the redundancy with the current roster.
soxperry wrote:skbucks1985 wrote:soxperry wrote:
Its not like Dame at all. Dude is fully healthy. Im just responding to the question of proof for malcontent.. there it is.
But it is the same as Dame because they're prioritizing the saved money and additional roster flexibility above that player. In the Bucks case it was because Dame is injured and in the Suns case its plausible that its because of the redundancy with the current roster.
i just dont buy that.
Because of a quirk in the collective bargaining agreement, Beal, who has $110.8 million and two years remaining on his contract, must give back at least $13.8 million for the Suns to be allowed to stretch him. If he did, Phoenix would then have a dead cap hit of $19.4 million on its books in every season through 2029-30.
Beal, who turned 32 last month, averaged 17.0 points, 3.3 rebounds and 3.7 assists on 50/39/80 shooting splits last season. It may not be so easy for him to find $13.8 million on the open market.
One week removed from the start of NBA free agency, most of the league is without cap space or the necessary exceptions it would take to give Beal that much money on a two-year contract. Various organizations Beal could consider can’t give him that much, either. According to a league source, the list of teams Beal has thought about includes the LA Clippers, Golden State Warriors, Los Angeles Lakers and Milwaukee Bucks.
The Clippers just agreed to a trade that will send shooting guard Norman Powell to the Miami Heat and bring in high-flying power forward John Collins from the Utah Jazz. The deal opens a starting spot at Beal’s position, but because they used the $14.1 million midlevel exception to sign free-agent center Brook Lopez, they can offer Beal only what they have left of the MLE: a $5.3 million starting salary in 2025-26.
The Lakers could find a way to offer Beal the biannual exception, worth $5.1 million in starting salary.
The Bucks have already used up their exceptions and could offer only a minimum contract.
Meanwhile, the Warriors are stuck in a complicated situation with restricted free agent Jonathan Kuminga.
The Bucks pulled Ryan Rolins' qualifying offer, but they never renounced their early Bird rights on him. Thus, they were able to keep him on their salary book for $2.5 million while they signed him to a new deal using those rights.
The fact that they were able to do this is a strong indication that Vasilije Micić's impending buyout will be a very deep one, as he would have to agree to a haircut of at least $6 million on an $8.1 million deal for this year in order for the Bucks to fit their reported commitments under the salary cap, most notably a four-year, $107 million deal for Myles Turner. If Micić reduces his guaranteed money to $2.04 million or less, the Bucks can legally stretch both his contract and that of Damian Lillard; that seems to be the only way that Milwaukee's offseason commitments can work at the moment.
emunney wrote:Much of the motivation for the big waive/stretches are broadly the same, but differ in the details. Dame had a catastrophic injury; Beal has a catastrophic no-trade clause. It says a lot about their estimation of Beal as a player that they're willing to cut him even though he's totally healthy.
KnicksGod wrote:Middleton probably the most underrated player in NBA History
KendallMarshall wrote:Why are people worried about SF?
Turner
Giannis
Trent jr.
Green
Porter jr.
That's a fine starting five
Bernman wrote:Prez wrote:We don't need Beal, we need a legit SF. As much as I like that we have all our young-ish guards for next year (KPJ, AJ, GTJ, Rollins) and Turner is a serious front court upgrade, going into next season with Doc still having Kuzma/Prince available to him is frustrating. You just know the moron is gonna start one of them, possibly even both again. It seems absurd that we'd need to "Doc proof" our roster but it is what it is. At the very least, even if they can't find a trade partner for Kuzma, Prince never should've been re-signed let alone for 2 years.
Even more than positions, we need a more reliable #2 option, or at least another one if KPJ doesn't pan out. I realize it's a lot of sg's, and ideally we'd secure a sf, but got to work with what you have.
The SF is the swing with the picks at the deadline or after the season we need to make for the Turner direction to be complete. Until then we can use a stop gap SF, like Beal is the stopgap creator. Green can play some SF, as he's shown.
soxperry wrote:We can pay Beal the min which is about 3.6 for him.
I doubt he cares about an extra million or two at this point but im guessing LA vs Milwaukee is the much larger factor
KnicksGod wrote:Middleton probably the most underrated player in NBA History
engelmartin wrote:soxperry wrote:We can pay Beal the min which is about 3.6 for him.
I doubt he cares about an extra million or two at this point but im guessing LA vs Milwaukee is the much larger factor
Yeah it kind of seems like they traded Norm just to make a spot for him, too
emunney wrote:Much of the motivation for the big waive/stretches are broadly the same, but differ in the details. Dame had a catastrophic injury; Beal has a catastrophic no-trade clause. It says a lot about their estimation of Beal as a player that they're willing to cut him even though he's totally healthy.
They also weren't compelled to cut him by an immediate need for maneuverability -- we had an ability to improve the players we could put on the court *right now* if we cut Dame. The Suns, on the other hand, want the flexibility in the abstract, but also just don't want Beal around. They were going to dump him by any means necessary, and it just so happens that these were the only means available to them.
"Keep a very close eye on the Clippers not only adding Bradley Beal, once he is bought out by the Suns, but also bringing back Chris Paul for his final NBA season."
Ron Swanson wrote:Seems like it's pretty much down to the Clippers and us. Can both offer Beal the starting job and plenty of shots in a competitive situation to play for his next contract. If the Clippers can offer him more than we can then that pretty much seals it. Doesn't look like we have anything to offer but the vet minimum.
engelmartin wrote:emunney wrote:Much of the motivation for the big waive/stretches are broadly the same, but differ in the details. Dame had a catastrophic injury; Beal has a catastrophic no-trade clause. It says a lot about their estimation of Beal as a player that they're willing to cut him even though he's totally healthy.
Both guys had been on losing teams their entire careers and teams for some reason assumed that wouldn’t carry over to their new squads. At the end of the day, over a decade of losing is going to create some bad habits and unrealistic expectations.
raferfenix wrote:Brett Siegel doesn't think CP3 and Beal in LAC are necessarily mutually exclusive but I doubt that old man log jam becomes a thing:"Keep a very close eye on the Clippers not only adding Bradley Beal, once he is bought out by the Suns, but also bringing back Chris Paul for his final NBA season."
Paul sure seems like he wants to go back to the Clippers for his reunion tour and to be in the same city as his family.
Does he care so much about his swan song that he'd actually sign up for this edition of Ishbia's Suns?
Otherwise maybe Chris Paul to the Bucks isn't all the way dead if Beal's buyout ends up raining on his parade.
DingleJerry wrote:engelmartin wrote:emunney wrote:Much of the motivation for the big waive/stretches are broadly the same, but differ in the details. Dame had a catastrophic injury; Beal has a catastrophic no-trade clause. It says a lot about their estimation of Beal as a player that they're willing to cut him even though he's totally healthy.
Both guys had been on losing teams their entire careers and teams for some reason assumed that wouldn’t carry over to their new squads. At the end of the day, over a decade of losing is going to create some bad habits and unrealistic expectations.
That's just not really true for Lillard, oft repeated thing here that's not true. Not winning titles does not mean losing. Dame made the playoffs every year since his rookie until he got hurt and they tanked the last couple years before he left. They won over 50 a few times and made the WCF.