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Further, with Moussa starting plus Kalkbrenner being a rookie, isn't it obvious the roster is overexposed to big minutes from Mason Plumlee? And aren't we past that? 2 **** years ago?
Has to be a middle ground between Mason Plumlee taking a wrecking ball to our season vs. trading 8 first round picks to fix the weakest frontcourt in the NBA.
It's almost like those fine moving forward as is use this extreme to cover their position.
Middle ground, please.
Has to be a middle ground between Mason Plumlee taking a wrecking ball to our season vs. trading 8 first round picks to fix the weakest frontcourt in the NBA.
It's almost like those fine moving forward as is use this extreme to cover their position.
Middle ground, please.
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Trading for a guy that’s only gonna get you 14/10 a game, when I can confidently guess that Plum and Moussa combined can get you that is wild. Kalk may surprise and get you 10 and 5 by himself if mentored correctly by Plum.
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Could we have signed Naz Reid away from MIN? How about Myles Turner, is there an overpowering reason he'd jump ship for the Hornets instead of suiting up next to Giannis? I said I wanted Yabusele here over and over, do you see me wringing my hands over him signing with a guaranteed playoff squad like NY? So which FA big signed by someone else screwed up the rest of their career passing us over? Capela? Ayton?
So, trading for a big, there's honestly two guys I'm willing to hand over our war chest of picks for, Jokic obviously and the miracle worker Gobert who's somehow backstopped deep playoff runs for multiple teams in the stronger conference. Short of that, please put yourselves in the shoes of the Nets and the Heat and explain why you'd be willing to part with Claxton and Bam for matching salaries particularly when they're attached to players like Green and Salaun whom you've spent a whole year outright calling them garbage. I'm waiting.
So, trading for a big, there's honestly two guys I'm willing to hand over our war chest of picks for, Jokic obviously and the miracle worker Gobert who's somehow backstopped deep playoff runs for multiple teams in the stronger conference. Short of that, please put yourselves in the shoes of the Nets and the Heat and explain why you'd be willing to part with Claxton and Bam for matching salaries particularly when they're attached to players like Green and Salaun whom you've spent a whole year outright calling them garbage. I'm waiting.
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Rebuild teams (Jazz, Nets) would value draft capital, not the attached outgoing salaries.
This is confusing to some? Tell me.
I'm waiting.
This is confusing to some? Tell me.
I'm waiting.
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We really should've gotten in on John Collins, he went for less than nothing
investigate Adam Silver
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HornetJail wrote:We really should've gotten in on John Collins, he went for less than nothing
Could mean we are consolidating for a different player.
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Hornets SI writer Roberts claims an “insider” sees the logic in the Hornets moves, believes some signed players will be attractive at the trade deadline. So here is another person who essentially says the Hornets are nothing but a reseller supporting the league, while endlessly waiting for that “someday, sometime, somewhere out there” moment it all FINALLY comes together. Excerpt:
Yeah, I can see Melo at age 53, watching the Hornets finally win the East but lose in the finals. “Damn you drag butts” he mutters.
https://www.si.com/nba/hornets/news/nba-insider-predicts-hornets-will-flip-collin-sexton-spencer-dinwiddie
Chau said that a one-year deal for Dinwiddie wouldn't be of note normally, but a young team overflowing with guards signing him does raise an eyebrow. "Tre Mann and Nick Smith Jr., who are both aspiring Dinwiddies already on the roster," he added.
But that doesn't make this a bad plan. In fact, Chau thinks it might be pretty brilliant. "What are the Hornets up to? Well, what any young team ought to be doing this time of year: accruing value through the draft, free agency, and trades," he said.
The insider added that Charlotte’s draft was all about getting players who know how to play basketball, an attempt to give structure to a team that employs "freelancing talents" like LaMelo and Brandon Miller. "The other transactions have seemed more about setting them up to cash out down the line," Chau stated.
"Players like Sexton and Dinwiddie probably won’t be long for this team. Both players will carry more value during the season, closer to the trade deadline, when some team on the cusp will talk itself into trading for one more ball handler for the playoff push," he concluded. "That’s where the Hornets will gorge. Charlotte has four incoming first-round picks from 2026 to 2029. It has 12 future second-round picks between now and 2032. The stockpile is getting nice and fat. And there’s plenty of time left for it to grow."
Yeah, I can see Melo at age 53, watching the Hornets finally win the East but lose in the finals. “Damn you drag butts” he mutters.
https://www.si.com/nba/hornets/news/nba-insider-predicts-hornets-will-flip-collin-sexton-spencer-dinwiddie
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HornetJail wrote:We really should've gotten in on John Collins, he went for less than nothing
That pisses me off. Would have loved having Collins here.
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Hello? I just said I'm not willing to part with draft capital ("war chest of picks") for anyone short of legit difference makers. I.e. Jokic and Gobert. Are these "difference makers" playing for the Jazz and Nets? Is this at all confusing? Jesus.
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Hello, Jeff has said they're not going all-in for anyone like that.
Doesn't mean that Jeff can just go half ass while we sit with our thumbs up our butts.
Middle ground, please.
Doesn't mean that Jeff can just go half ass while we sit with our thumbs up our butts.
Middle ground, please.
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Hornets SI mailbag from their contributing writer Owen O’Connor, answering what centers could even be remotely possible to still aquire via trade.
Nic Claxton, Jon Isaac, Robert Williams, Nikola Vucevic, and Jalen Smith are the bigs on the trade market that I believe could be a potential trade target for Charlotte.
When it comes to who gets moved, I do believe that Nick Smith Jr is more of a "when" and not "if". Getting left off the Summer League roster was already telling, but it seems likely that with the squad's abundance of depth at the guard position, NSJ is the odd man out.
Josh Green makes sense as a trade candidate, 24 years old, 3&D guy who has NBA Finals experience. His injury is definitely something teams are looking at, but I'd imagine his contract is being used to try and acquire a more expensive big man.
As for Okogie, the team still has about a week remaining before they have to decide on his guarantee. Gives the squad about another week to decide whether or not they want to move or hold onto him.
Acquiring a big man. Nikola Vucevic has been a name that's interested me lately, and the Hornets could acquire him using Miles Bridges or Josh Green/Pat Connaughton. Vucevic is making $21 million next year and is on an expiring deal, which could interest Jeff Peterson.
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A few trade ideas.
1. Green, Okogie, NSJ, 2nd rounder to Chicago for Nicola Vucevic.
- Charlotte clears up some of their roster imbalance, while also getting an upgrade at center on an expiring contract.
2. Grant Williams, Josh Green, Moussa Diabate, Dallas 2027 1st (top 2 protected), Miami 2027 1st (Lottery Protected, or unprotected next year) 2029 First (worst of Utah, Minnesota, Cleveland) and 3 2nds for Rudy Gobert.
- We clear up 3-1 trade. Minnesota gets below the first apron and adds some depth along with 6 draft picks.
1. Green, Okogie, NSJ, 2nd rounder to Chicago for Nicola Vucevic.
- Charlotte clears up some of their roster imbalance, while also getting an upgrade at center on an expiring contract.
2. Grant Williams, Josh Green, Moussa Diabate, Dallas 2027 1st (top 2 protected), Miami 2027 1st (Lottery Protected, or unprotected next year) 2029 First (worst of Utah, Minnesota, Cleveland) and 3 2nds for Rudy Gobert.
- We clear up 3-1 trade. Minnesota gets below the first apron and adds some depth along with 6 draft picks.
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Gobert is 33. I think any more than 2 picks is too much for him. And this is all assuming Minnesota would actually trade him at all.
Vuc... well, fine. I don't think he's a difference maker. Especially if we want someone who is good on defense. He's also old.
This is the issue with trading for a center. We just aren't going to get good value, either because the teams in question would want too much (Gobert), they're old (Gobert/Vuc) or they aren't much better than what we have (Claxton). This is still a rebuilding season whether we like it or not.
Vuc... well, fine. I don't think he's a difference maker. Especially if we want someone who is good on defense. He's also old.
This is the issue with trading for a center. We just aren't going to get good value, either because the teams in question would want too much (Gobert), they're old (Gobert/Vuc) or they aren't much better than what we have (Claxton). This is still a rebuilding season whether we like it or not.
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JDR720 wrote:Gobert is 33. I think any more than 2 picks is too much for him. And this is all assuming Minnesota would actually trade him at all.
Vuc... well, fine. I don't think he's a difference maker. Especially if we want someone who is good on defense. He's also old.
This is the issue with trading for a center. We just aren't going to get good value, either because the teams in question would want too much (Gobert), they're old (Gobert/Vuc) or they aren't much better than what we have (Claxton). This is still a rebuilding season whether we like it or not.
I like Claxton but honestly think Moussa and he do many of the same things and have the same limitations.
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JMAC3 wrote:A few trade ideas.
1. Green, Okogie, NSJ, 2nd rounder to Chicago for Nicola Vucevic.
- Charlotte clears up some of their roster imbalance, while also getting an upgrade at center on an expiring contract.
2. Grant Williams, Josh Green, Moussa Diabate, Dallas 2027 1st (top 2 protected), Miami 2027 1st (Lottery Protected, or unprotected next year) 2029 First (worst of Utah, Minnesota, Cleveland) and 3 2nds for Rudy Gobert.
- We clear up 3-1 trade. Minnesota gets below the first apron and adds some depth along with 6 draft picks.
I’ve resolved to loving the idea of Gobert here, but with Minny having used some exception already, I can’t get Trade Machine to find any scenario that works. I presume your plan DOES work, so I’m all in. Ship those firsts! His credentials and the fact he just turned 33 last month makes me think he’d be a great boost for this team defensively, a solid rebounder, lob threat and finisher on offense, and a super mentor for Kalk. Vucevic has range on his shot and still has a lot of game offensively, would be another good mentor for Kalk, but he turns 35 this year in October and isn’t much of a shot blocker.
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Having said all the stuff I’ve put on here ad nauseum, I’ve succumbed to the likelihood Jeffie is basically done. He will make some type of dump trade, likely including some second round picks to get rid of salary, and will cut a player(s) as needed to accommodate his other added players, but the return will be just more dead salary. He won’t get us a center since he already signed HIS center, the Plumber.
For the most part, what we see is about what we’ve got. It’s going to hurt us unless Kalkbrenner is the steal of the draft.
So looking forward to watching our rookies in Summer League, while seeing if Tiddy has made any real progress. Then hopefully the guys can generally make it through training camp without breaking bones or tearing stuff.
For the most part, what we see is about what we’ve got. It’s going to hurt us unless Kalkbrenner is the steal of the draft.
So looking forward to watching our rookies in Summer League, while seeing if Tiddy has made any real progress. Then hopefully the guys can generally make it through training camp without breaking bones or tearing stuff.
I continue to wait...and hope...for the return to Hornet's glory.
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JDR720 wrote:Gobert is 33. I think any more than 2 picks is too much for him. And this is all assuming Minnesota would actually trade him at all.
Vuc... well, fine. I don't think he's a difference maker. Especially if we want someone who is good on defense. He's also old.
This is the issue with trading for a center. We just aren't going to get good value, either because the teams in question would want too much (Gobert), they're old (Gobert/Vuc) or they aren't much better than what we have (Claxton). This is still a rebuilding season whether we like it or not.
Vucevic is an expiring contract, would be our best center this year easily. If you want to upgrade/consolidate for cheap that is the best option.
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Bassman wrote:Having said all the stuff I’ve put on here ad nauseum, I’ve succumbed to the likelihood Jeffie is basically done. He will make some type of dump trade, likely including some second round picks to get rid of salary, and will cut a player(s) as needed to accommodate his other added players, but the return will be just more dead salary. He won’t get us a center since he already signed HIS center, the Plumber.
For the most part, what we see is about what we’ve got. It’s going to hurt us unless Kalkbrenner is the steal of the draft.
So looking forward to watching our rookies in Summer League, while seeing if Tiddy has made any real progress. Then hopefully the guys can generally make it through training camp without breaking bones or tearing stuff.
I think you're right that Peterson is largely done. We really, really need both Salaun and Kalkbrenner to give us something this year. It's the only way the frontcourt won't be terrible. The opportunity is there for the taking.
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LofJ wrote:Bassman wrote:Having said all the stuff I’ve put on here ad nauseum, I’ve succumbed to the likelihood Jeffie is basically done. He will make some type of dump trade, likely including some second round picks to get rid of salary, and will cut a player(s) as needed to accommodate his other added players, but the return will be just more dead salary. He won’t get us a center since he already signed HIS center, the Plumber.
For the most part, what we see is about what we’ve got. It’s going to hurt us unless Kalkbrenner is the steal of the draft.
So looking forward to watching our rookies in Summer League, while seeing if Tiddy has made any real progress. Then hopefully the guys can generally make it through training camp without breaking bones or tearing stuff.
I think you're right that Peterson is largely done. We really, really need both Salaun and Kalkbrenner to give us something this year. It's the only way the frontcourt won't be terrible. The opportunity is there for the taking.
Gonna be much rougher if the grant injury timeline is more like Jan/feb vs Nov/dec
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NSJ, Jeffries, and Dallas or Miami 1st for Kessler?