Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade/Waiver Thread

[fallguy]

Please?

They are building a pathetic treadmill joke

Glad people can still still try and talk up where we are going like it isn’t just another variation of the pathetic pile of 2021 ****.

But oh no!!! Look out!! We might get a 36 year old Dame with a ruptured Achilles

This ownership group is already a joke

My apologies.

Your assessment of the next 15 years is obviously thoughtful and insightful.

Just not drinking the kool aid

Tell us more about the title contender incoming from Boston

There's no Kool-aid drinking here and for the record you're not coming off as a sharp-eyed realist while the rest of us are blinded with green goggles. You just seem to be angry and emotional - and entirely out of proportion to what's happening.

The reality: We have a killer front office, a highly admired organizational culture, two top-20 players, and a host of draft picks. Is the new ownership group a bit of an unknown? Sure. But we'll wait to see how they proceed.

We're in a great position despite the bad luck of Tatum's injury and the need to reset our relationship to the apron this offseason.

[Hal14]

They’ll be lucky to sniff another title again for another 15 years

Please.

Please?

They are building a pathetic treadmill joke

Glad people can still still try and talk up where we are going like it isn’t just another variation of the pathetic pile of 2021 ****.

But oh no!!! Look out!! We might get a 36 year old Dame with a ruptured Achilles

This ownership group is already a joke

Dude there was just an article that came out today that says ownership has *not* made a mandate to Brad to trim payroll.

He's doing this on his own..because of the basketball penalties for 2nd apron teams, per the new CBA..and partly because of Tatum's injury.

Relax..we just won a title last season..we have more of them than any other team in the league..and we're putting ourselves in position to contend again, when Tatum is recovered from the torn achilles.

[Larry_Russell]

I'd feel bad doing it to Klay, but:

BOS: Gafford of PJ for Simons, Niang, BOS 27 1st*
DAL: Simons for Klay and Gaff or PJ
UTA: Klay, Niang, BOS 27 1st*

BOS 27 1st lotto protected, turns to multiple 2nds.

We get under the tax and add a long term frontcourt member. If it's Gafford, he's already signed. If PJ, you hope you come to a reasonable extension. Jazz can flip both Klay and Niang to contenders, most likely. Or buy them out.

Gafford, hardy and Naji marshall to boston

Hauser and simons to dallas

Klay and niang and a boston 2nd or two over to utah

[Larry_Russell]

Please.

Please?

They are building a pathetic treadmill joke

Glad people can still still try and talk up where we are going like it isn’t just another variation of the pathetic pile of 2021 ****.

But oh no!!! Look out!! We might get a 36 year old Dame with a ruptured Achilles

This ownership group is already a joke

Dude there was just an article that came out today that says ownership has *not* made a mandate to Brad to trim payroll.

He's doing this on his own..because of the basketball penalties for 2nd apron teams, per the new CBA..and partly because of Tatum's injury.

Relax..we just won a title last season..we have more of them than any other team in the league..and we're putting ourselves in position to contend again, when Tatum is recovered from the torn achilles.

If no mandate then the moves brad made this offseason are even more inexcusible.

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

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[Fierce1]

Simon says...

The trade is official.

Apparently something came up with Jrue's medical exam.

That's why there was a delay in making it official.

[Smart2Nesmith43]

Please.

Please?

They are building a pathetic treadmill joke

Glad people can still still try and talk up where we are going like it isn’t just another variation of the pathetic pile of 2021 ****.

But oh no!!! Look out!! We might get a 36 year old Dame with a ruptured Achilles

This ownership group is already a joke

Dude there was just an article that came out today that says ownership has *not* made a mandate to Brad to trim payroll.

He's doing this on his own..because of the basketball penalties for 2nd apron teams, per the new CBA..and partly because of Tatum's injury.

Relax..we just won a title last season..we have more of them than any other team in the league..and we're putting ourselves in position to contend again, when Tatum is recovered from the torn achilles.

Well if there is an article on the internet then it must be true. Meanwhile in the land of things that actually happened, Nets sent cash to the Celtics to complete the Porzingis trade today. Stevens could have pushed for some fake top-55 protected second rounder or a second round swap but he landed on cash considerations instead. Yes those are pretty insignificant assets but that's exactly the point, Brooklyn would not have held up a trade of this magnitude for something this small which means one thing: Boston is making moves to optimize the owners' bottom line not the team's asset base.

[jfs1000d]

So are they actually not going to duck the tax this year? Being 20M over is too much if the plan is to get under by the deadline

I don’t think that was ever the plan.
Getting under the second Apron was a huge lift, and ducking the tax next year is pretty much in the bag.
Its possible of course they keep cutting and try to move Simmons/ Niang/ Hauser.

Second apron was a must. Luxury tax? Would like to get under, but it isn't as big a deal.


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[Hal14]

Please?

They are building a pathetic treadmill joke

Glad people can still still try and talk up where we are going like it isn’t just another variation of the pathetic pile of 2021 ****.

But oh no!!! Look out!! We might get a 36 year old Dame with a ruptured Achilles

This ownership group is already a joke

Dude there was just an article that came out today that says ownership has *not* made a mandate to Brad to trim payroll.

He's doing this on his own..because of the basketball penalties for 2nd apron teams, per the new CBA..and partly because of Tatum's injury.

Relax..we just won a title last season..we have more of them than any other team in the league..and we're putting ourselves in position to contend again, when Tatum is recovered from the torn achilles.

Well if there is an article on the internet then it must be true. Meanwhile in the land of things that actually happened, Nets sent cash to the Celtics to complete the Porzingis trade today. Stevens could have pushed for some fake top-55 protected second rounder or a second round swap but he landed on cash considerations instead. Yes those are pretty insignificant assets but that's exactly the point, Brooklyn would not have held up a trade of this magnitude for something this small which means one thing: Boston is making moves to optimize the owners' bottom line not the team's asset base.

Right, because the KP trade is the first one in NBA history where cash considerations were moved from 1 team to another

Obviously Brad really wanted to make both of these moves (for basketball reasons and financial reasons) and there's about a million other things on his plate that he has to get done so why quibble over small potatoes? Who cares about whether we get a fake second or cash considerations? He's got bigger fish to fry.

He probably didn't want to push his luck and "over-negotiate" and risk the other team backing out of the deal altogether.

Brad has been known to make trades where it might seem on the surface like he's getting the short end of the stick or it might seem like he's overpaying. But he does it because a) he really wants to get that deal done and b) it creates an environment where other teams actually like doing deals with him, rather than the days of "trader danny" where Ainge had a reputation of screwing other teams over and not doing a deal unless he was crushing the other team in the deal. Brad is probably trying to repair that reputation the Celtics org got during the Ainge days..while at the same time doing trades where he maybe helps out another team a little bit, thinking that perhaps that team later on will return the favor..

[The Corey's]

Imagine defending the Celtics for tearing down a championship roster.

Understanding why and defending it are two totally different takes.

I understand it. I do not defend it.

[Fierce1]

To be fair, what the Cs got from KP and Jrue are positives.

Both KP and Jrue are damaged goods.

So it's already a win by the Celtics because they didn't have to attach picks to Jrue and KP, like some were expecting.

[redslastlaugh]

Queta seems like he could be as good as Gafford with more minutes and responsibilty

I dont see whats so nice about Gafford if hes making $18mil/per on that extension, hes fine but is he a top 20 starting center in the league?

I'd feel bad doing it to Klay, but:

BOS: Gafford of PJ for Simons, Niang, BOS 27 1st*
DAL: Simons for Klay and Gaff or PJ
UTA: Klay, Niang, BOS 27 1st*

BOS 27 1st lotto protected, turns to multiple 2nds.

We get under the tax and add a long term frontcourt member. If it's Gafford, he's already signed. If PJ, you hope you come to a reasonable extension. Jazz can flip both Klay and Niang to contenders, most likely. Or buy them out.

Gafford, hardy and Naji marshall to boston

Hauser and simons to dallas

Klay and niang and a boston 2nd or two over to utah

[Fierce1]

Simon says...

It's July 7 and I'm officially a Celtic.

[return2glory]

To be fair, what the Cs got from KP and Jrue are positives.

Both KP and Jrue are damaged goods.

So it's already a win by the Celtics because they didn't have to attach picks to Jrue and KP, like some were expecting.

I'm not sure why people don't see this. KP might have a really good season for the Hawks like he did with the Celtics. He will play his 50 games and be a no show in the playoffs. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, same on me. Brad got fooled the 2nd time and KP was gone. He had to be moved.

Jrue was getting a lot of money for being half the player he was in the championship season. His game dropped off in a big way.

Simons is being talked about here like he is JD Davison. Simons is going to show Celtic fans he can really play. Ya, Ya his defense isn't that good. But no one talked about how KP's rebounding wasn't good. KP's inability to hold his position in the post was terrible, not to mention he is one of the worst bigs in the league is setting screens.

[return2glory]

Queta seems like he could be as good as Gafford with more minutes and responsibilty

I dont see whats so nice about Gafford if hes making $18mil/per on that extension, hes fine but is he a top 20 starting center in the league?

I'd feel bad doing it to Klay, but:

BOS: Gafford of PJ for Simons, Niang, BOS 27 1st*
DAL: Simons for Klay and Gaff or PJ
UTA: Klay, Niang, BOS 27 1st*

BOS 27 1st lotto protected, turns to multiple 2nds.

We get under the tax and add a long term frontcourt member. If it's Gafford, he's already signed. If PJ, you hope you come to a reasonable extension. Jazz can flip both Klay and Niang to contenders, most likely. Or buy them out.

Gafford, hardy and Naji marshall to boston

Hauser and simons to dallas

Klay and niang and a boston 2nd or two over to utah

Yup, I don't get all the Gafford hype. He played for a terrible team. He was solid in the minutes he got. Queta and Amari will be just as good and in the ball park as Gafford.

[GreenBlooded]

Imagine defending the Celtics for tearing down a championship roster.

Understanding why and defending it are two totally different takes.

I understand it. I do not defend it.

Once Tatum went down it was no longer a championship roster. When Tatum gets back in '26 some of the roster was no longer going to be viable due to age and injuries. Holiday, Porzingus, Horford are just being recycled for a viable supporting cast for a championship window #2 in '26 and beyond. Stevens has successfully shuffled the deck once before. I'll happily defend how he has started this current roster shuffle.

[return2glory]

Imagine defending the Celtics for tearing down a championship roster.

Understanding why and defending it are two totally different takes.

I understand it. I do not defend it.

Celtics didn't tear down a championship roster. That team was one and done once Jrue became half the player he was vs he first year here.
KP was a player that couldn't be counted in the playoffs for both seasons he was here.

Tatum being out for the season accelerated the process of rebuilding. The team being way over the tax apron hurt the team even more, but Brad still got a 20, 4 and 4 player for an aging Jrue.

On top of all that, if Georges Niang doesn't play a single minute in the playoffs for Boston, he would give us more than we got from KP in the playoffs. KP was hurting the team by being out there.

[Celts17Pride]

Imagine defending the Celtics for tearing down a championship roster.

Understanding why and defending it are two totally different takes.

I understand it. I do not defend it.

Holiday and Porzingis were very far away from what they were during the championship season. Tearing down a championship team is very disingenuous in my opinion.

Edit: Except for Porzingis who just never plays.

[Celts17Pride]

Simon says...

It's July 7 and I'm officially a Celtic.

Let's see if he says that by Sep 1st.

[djFan71]

Queta seems like he could be as good as Gafford with more minutes and responsibilty

I dont see whats so nice about Gafford if hes making $18mil/per on that extension, hes fine but is he a top 20 starting center in the league?

I'd feel bad doing it to Klay, but:

BOS: Gafford of PJ for Simons, Niang, BOS 27 1st*
DAL: Simons for Klay and Gaff or PJ
UTA: Klay, Niang, BOS 27 1st*

BOS 27 1st lotto protected, turns to multiple 2nds.

We get under the tax and add a long term frontcourt member. If it's Gafford, he's already signed. If PJ, you hope you come to a reasonable extension. Jazz can flip both Klay and Niang to contenders, most likely. Or buy them out.

Gafford, hardy and Naji marshall to boston

Hauser and simons to dallas

Klay and niang and a boston 2nd or two over to utah

I'd prefer it be PJ, but Gafford is a top 30 center to me. Starter on a bad team / ideally bench on a good one. He's currently better than Queta, but I like the pair. Queta has potential to better, which is fine. Then you move Gafford to the bench and take advantage of Queta's cheap years. I think Gafford's extension is fair, but not a bargain or anything. Just above MLE $ for a starter is pretty good. If he's off the bench, it's not ideal but fine.

I'm not sure adding the Hauser for Hardy and Naji swap makes sense. Puts us back over the tax. Though, i do like Naji.