Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade/Waiver Thread

[The Corey's]

Imagine defending the Celtics for tearing down a championship roster.

Understanding why and defending it are two totally different takes.

I understand it. I do not defend it.

Holiday and Porzingis were very far away from what they were during the championship season. Tearing down a championship team is very disingenuous in my opinion.

Edit: Except for Porzingis who just never plays.

They are worse now than before the trades. Even with a 100% never injured, fully healthy Tatum. Full stop, non debatable.

Imagine defending the Celtics for tearing down a championship roster.

Understanding why and defending it are two totally different takes.

I understand it. I do not defend it.

Celtics didn't tear down a championship roster. That team was one and done once Jrue became half the player he was vs he first year here.
KP was a player that couldn't be counted in the playoffs for both seasons he was here.

Tatum being out for the season accelerated the process of rebuilding. The team being way over the tax apron hurt the team even more, but Brad still got a 20, 4 and 4 player for an aging Jrue.

On top of all that, if Georges Niang doesn't play a single minute in the playoffs for Boston, he would give us more than we got from KP in the playoffs. KP was hurting the team by being out there.

The Celtics are worse now than the roster they had before they got KP and Jrue. Let that sink in.

Imagine defending the Celtics for tearing down a championship roster.

Understanding why and defending it are two totally different takes.

I understand it. I do not defend it.

Once Tatum went down it was no longer a championship roster. When Tatum gets back in '26 some of the roster was no longer going to be viable due to age and injuries. Holiday, Porzingus, Horford are just being recycled for a viable supporting cast for a championship window #2 in '26 and beyond. Stevens has successfully shuffled the deck once before. I'll happily defend how he has started this current roster shuffle.

This is a copout. A excuse. And a lie. They were tearing it down before the injury and everyone knows that.

[fallguy]

Even if Tatum hadn't gotten injured, we would have lost the Knicks series. Not a championship roster.

If Tatum was healthy right now, I'd still support the KP and Jrue trades. (I'd also be more interested in Simons playing for us next year).

[fallguy]

For those in the Simons is staying / Simons is going debate, the next milestone is does he get introduced at a presser with his own jersey? Orgs don't tend to intro guys like that if they're dead set on moving them.

[The Corey's]

Even if Tatum hadn't gotten injured, we would have lost the Knicks series. Not a championship roster.

If Tatum was healthy right now, I'd still support the KP and Jrue trades. (I'd also be more interested in Simons playing for us next year).

The roster wasn't the problem.

The coach was.

Some day everyone will agree with this but for now there are holdouts.

[fallguy]

Even if Tatum hadn't gotten injured, we would have lost the Knicks series. Not a championship roster.

If Tatum was healthy right now, I'd still support the KP and Jrue trades. (I'd also be more interested in Simons playing for us next year).

The roster wasn't the problem.

The coach was.

Some day everyone will agree with this but for now there are holdouts.

Roster had go-forward problems on top of the coach. Which many people have pointed out to you.

[The Corey's]

Even if Tatum hadn't gotten injured, we would have lost the Knicks series. Not a championship roster.

If Tatum was healthy right now, I'd still support the KP and Jrue trades. (I'd also be more interested in Simons playing for us next year).

The roster wasn't the problem.

The coach was.

Some day everyone will agree with this but for now there are holdouts.

Roster had go-forward problems on top of the coach. Which many people have pointed out to you.

They have?

I've yet to see anyone make a convincing case that the Celtics were not championship quality with or or without a different coach.

[fallguy]

The roster wasn't the problem.

The coach was.

Some day everyone will agree with this but for now there are holdouts.

Roster had go-forward problems on top of the coach. Which many people have pointed out to you.

They have?

I've yet to see anyone make a convincing case that the Celtics were not championship quality with or or without a different coach.

Jrue and KP in 26-27 would have been a huge mistake. You may disagree but it's pretty compelling. Especially given what keeping them would have meant from a roster-building and flexibility perspective.

[jfs1000d]

Imagine defending the Celtics for tearing down a championship roster.

Understanding why and defending it are two totally different takes.

I understand it. I do not defend it.

What other choice do they have? This is the correct choice, made even more neccessary by Tatum out next year.


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[The Corey's]

Roster had go-forward problems on top of the coach. Which many people have pointed out to you.

They have?

I've yet to see anyone make a convincing case that the Celtics were not championship quality with or or without a different coach.

Jrue and KP in 26-27 would have been a huge mistake. You may disagree but it's pretty compelling. Especially given what keeping them would have meant from a roster-building and flexibility perspective.

You got nothing for them and the pieces you received are not helping you win either and worse yet they will not help you bring in the talent when you're looking to compete in 2026 when Tatum returns.

They can't just go out and replace talent simply because they wish too. They don't have the pieces to make that work or the cap.

[The Corey's]

Imagine defending the Celtics for tearing down a championship roster.

Understanding why and defending it are two totally different takes.

I understand it. I do not defend it.

What other choice do they have? This is the correct choice, made even more neccessary by Tatum out next year.


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This debate only works if you acknowledge that even with Tatum, this team is no longer a championship roster.

And if you agree with that, how do you expect to build a roster with the Jays and White taking up nearly all the cap space?

They're ****. There's no way around it.

[redslastlaugh]

The thing is they had a two year window to blow out the budget and "go for it" so they added KP and Jrue and went for it.
But then they were so far over the budget, they had to pull back

It's great to have owners who will even go all in like that in the first place.

If they had a different coach, could they have done better in 2023 or 2025, yea possibly
but fundamentally, there was no way to keep the team together

would you rather they never acquire Jrue in the first place?
They could "keep it together" if they just kept the 14th pick, took Bub Carrington and kept Rob Williams and let Brogdon walk?

They went "ALL IN" and this is what caused all this inability to keep the team together

They have?

I've yet to see anyone make a convincing case that the Celtics were not championship quality with or or without a different coach.

[phincsfan]

Even if Tatum hadn't gotten injured, we would have lost the Knicks series. Not a championship roster.

If Tatum was healthy right now, I'd still support the KP and Jrue trades. (I'd also be more interested in Simons playing for us next year).

The roster wasn't the problem.

The coach was.

Some day everyone will agree with this but for now there are holdouts.

Bingo.

Stevens is expecting big things from Joe, but Joes a square peg in a round circle personality.

[djFan71]

Even if Tatum hadn't gotten injured, we would have lost the Knicks series. Not a championship roster.

If Tatum was healthy right now, I'd still support the KP and Jrue trades. (I'd also be more interested in Simons playing for us next year).

The roster wasn't the problem.

The coach was.

Some day everyone will agree with this but for now there are holdouts.

Health more than coach, imo. Jrue was off, JB was a little dinged up, KP barely played. That's 3 of your top 7. Fully healthy, we don't lose to NYK, or IND. OKC would have been a good matchup, but I think we would have prevailed.

Alas, we weren't healthy. But that's a roster thing.

[jfs1000d]

Imagine defending the Celtics for tearing down a championship roster.

Understanding why and defending it are two totally different takes.

I understand it. I do not defend it.

Holiday and Porzingis were very far away from what they were during the championship season. Tearing down a championship team is very disingenuous in my opinion.

Edit: Except for Porzingis who just never plays.

They are worse now than before the trades. Even with a 100% never injured, fully healthy Tatum. Full stop, non debatable.

Imagine defending the Celtics for tearing down a championship roster.

Understanding why and defending it are two totally different takes.

I understand it. I do not defend it.

Celtics didn't tear down a championship roster. That team was one and done once Jrue became half the player he was vs he first year here.
KP was a player that couldn't be counted in the playoffs for both seasons he was here.

Tatum being out for the season accelerated the process of rebuilding. The team being way over the tax apron hurt the team even more, but Brad still got a 20, 4 and 4 player for an aging Jrue.

On top of all that, if Georges Niang doesn't play a single minute in the playoffs for Boston, he would give us more than we got from KP in the playoffs. KP was hurting the team by being out there.

The Celtics are worse now than the roster they had before they got KP and Jrue. Let that sink in.

Imagine defending the Celtics for tearing down a championship roster.

Understanding why and defending it are two totally different takes.

I understand it. I do not defend it.

Once Tatum went down it was no longer a championship roster. When Tatum gets back in '26 some of the roster was no longer going to be viable due to age and injuries. Holiday, Porzingus, Horford are just being recycled for a viable supporting cast for a championship window #2 in '26 and beyond. Stevens has successfully shuffled the deck once before. I'll happily defend how he has started this current roster shuffle.

This is a copout. A excuse. And a lie. They were tearing it down before the injury and everyone knows that.

This is crazy talk. The second apron penalties are so ridiculous you can't go over once they start:

Freezing draft picks
Disallowing you to aggregate players in a trade
Make your salary 8x what you are paying the players. Essentially a windfall for other teams.
Prohibiting use if Taxpayer MLE.

You can't trade players over the second apron. It is nearly impossible.


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[Celts17Pride]

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[djFan71]

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Wow, Micic really didn't want to be there, lol. I'm sure he'll get money in Europe, but feels like he shouldn't have given up 75% of his salary.

[The Corey's]

The thing is they had a two year window to blow out the budget and "go for it" so they added KP and Jrue and went for it.
But then they were so far over the budget, they had to pull back

It's great to have owners who will even go all in like that in the first place.

If they had a different coach, could they have done better in 2023 or 2025, yea possibly
but fundamentally, there was no way to keep the team together

would you rather they never acquire Jrue in the first place?
They could "keep it together" if they just kept the 14th pick, took Bub Carrington and kept Rob Williams and let Brogdon walk?

They went "ALL IN" and this is what caused all this inability to keep the team together

They have?

I've yet to see anyone make a convincing case that the Celtics were not championship quality with or or without a different coach.

How did the Celtics get better for the future? That's the question. I'm all ears.

[fallguy]

They have?

I've yet to see anyone make a convincing case that the Celtics were not championship quality with or or without a different coach.

Jrue and KP in 26-27 would have been a huge mistake. You may disagree but it's pretty compelling. Especially given what keeping them would have meant from a roster-building and flexibility perspective.

You got nothing for them and the pieces you received are not helping you win either and worse yet they will not help you bring in the talent when you're looking to compete in 2026 when Tatum returns.

They can't just go out and replace talent simply because they wish too. They don't have the pieces to make that work or the cap.

They got what they could for them (unless you think they deliberately took less for them for some reason) and while I'm not a huge Simons fan, he's hardly nothing. They're adjusting to the new reality of team-building in the new CBA era. They now need to develop guys on the roster and look for the next Kornet or Hauser or PP. Amalgamate talent in trades. Etc.

You are free to ignore all this but please do explain your plan for the next two years. What did you want them to do?

[GreenBlooded]

Imagine defending the Celtics for tearing down a championship roster.

Understanding why and defending it are two totally different takes.

I understand it. I do not defend it.

Once Tatum went down it was no longer a championship roster. When Tatum gets back in '26 some of the roster was no longer going to be viable due to age and injuries. Holiday, Porzingus, Horford are just being recycled for a viable supporting cast for a championship window #2 in '26 and beyond. Stevens has successfully shuffled the deck once before. I'll happily defend how he has started this current roster shuffle.

This is a copout. A excuse. And a lie. They were tearing it down before the injury and everyone knows that.

You argue with the logic of an ex-wife.

[Celts17Pride]

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Wow, Micic really didn't want to be there, lol. I'm sure he'll get money in Europe, but feels like he shouldn't have given up 75% of his salary.

Also means it will be at least a few days before Lillard signs with another team. Lillard may even wait a year before he signs with anyone.