Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[Onus]

Realistically we have a 1 year window, which is why I'd trade our 26 1st and hell maybe even our 28 1st just to make sure we make the deal happen for Ellis and Herb Jones to be included. Double down on defense like the Thunder did. Moody/JK/TJD + 2 1sts for Ellis/Jones/Carter/Cardwell. All excellent defenders with all defense potential. Just try to turn the other team over by blitzing the other team. Let Curry and JB carry the offense

Curry/Podz
Ellis/Melton/Carter/Richard
JB/Herb
Dray/Gui/Toohey
Horford/Post/Cardwell

I can get behind a big move like this. Instead of the Carter/Jones/Ellis package, I'd target trey murphy

Sure just know you'd probably have to add another 1st if not more for Murphy.

[vvoland]

Realistically we have a 1 year window, which is why I'd trade our 26 1st and hell maybe even our 28 1st just to make sure we make the deal happen for Ellis and Herb Jones to be included. Double down on defense like the Thunder did. Moody/JK/TJD + 2 1sts for Ellis/Jones/Carter/Cardwell. All excellent defenders with all defense potential. Just try to turn the other team over by blitzing the other team. Let Curry and JB carry the offense

Curry/Podz
Ellis/Melton/Carter/Richard
JB/Herb
Dray/Gui/Toohey
Horford/Post/Cardwell

I can get behind a big move like this. Instead of the Carter/Jones/Ellis package, I'd target trey murphy

Sure just know you'd probably have to add another 1st if not more for Murphy.

Really hard to tell with the Dumars FO what they would want for Trey. Probably should have just done a pick, a swap, and moody + filler for Cam. No way BKN prefers MPJ and 1 pick, albeit in '32 when it should be a great pick, for our own '28, the '27 swap, and Moody.

Who are some other big shooters that make under 30M? Maybe we make a run at Turner, at the deadline, if/when MIL sucks and begins to blow it up?Assuming giannis doesn't force a move here, that is. I wanted Trent and Prince for the vet min but those were both players that webnt somewhere that had a clear advantage over what we could offer in terms of familiarity, role, and/or money. Maybe we can get PJ from Dallas? Really stretching the definition of shooter, but PJ is probably good enough to be called one. Amir Coffey shot 40% last season, as did royce o'neal. As did Rui and Niang. I'd take a real shot at Coffey, from that list.

Big shooters are so hard to find.

[HiRez]

Realistically we have a 1 year window, which is why I'd trade our 26 1st and hell maybe even our 28 1st just to make sure we make the deal happen for Ellis and Herb Jones to be included. Double down on defense like the Thunder did. Moody/JK/TJD + 2 1sts for Ellis/Jones/Carter/Cardwell. All excellent defenders with all defense potential. Just try to turn the other team over by blitzing the other team. Let Curry and JB carry the offense

Curry/Podz
Ellis/Melton/Carter/Richard
JB/Herb
Dray/Gui/Toohey
Horford/Post/Cardwell

I can get behind a big move like this. Instead of the Carter/Jones/Ellis package, I'd target trey murphy

Sure just know you'd probably have to add another 1st if not more for Murphy.

I'd do it in a second. The chances of us drafting a player better than Murphy are really small (same with Avdija and others). Of course everything has limits, like I'm not giving up 4 first round picks for him, but we're wasting our picks holding them while they could be put to use right now before Steph is gone — and then we either end up with good young players who we build the next generation around, or we re-trade them for other players or more picks.

There's not really anything being lost there. It's like if you have some money and you buy stocks with it. Technically your money is semi-locked-up and there is a risk you might end up worse off. But more often than not you're going to be better off later when you either sell the stock at a profit, or move it to other investments — the initial investments (the picks in this analogy) aren't actually lost, they've just been converted to other assets, which can be re-converted in the future if needed. And while you're waiting to see what the future holds, your money is "working for you" instead of doing nothing.

[EvanZ]

Murphy probably takes 2 firsts and Podz.

[vvoland]

Murphy probably takes 2 firsts and Podz.

I'd drive podz and those future picks to the aiport, today. He only makes 27, so we wouldn't even have to ship out everyone, either moody + JK on 20/yr + podz OR moody, buddy, podz, tjd, & the picks. JK + Trey + Jimmy would, suddenly, make us HUGE. While Steph, Trey, and Post would make us dangerous from deep. Like 30+ feet, deep.

Steph
Trey
Jimmy
Dray
Horford

6. JK
7. Post
8. backup pg/POA?
9. Beal on the vet min (sure to get 25+ mins as the backup 2)
10. Gui (why not?)
11. Coffey or Boucher - Lots of minutes behind Jimmy/Dray/Al
12. Richard or Toohey (aussie probably gets stashed unless he breaks out in vegas)
13. Vegas Summer League MVP on a two-way
14. Lillard or some high risk/high reward level bet for the 14th spot


Or it's that same starting 5 with:

6. Podz
7. Moody
8. Post
9. Hield
10 - 14. the same as above with Gui or TJD instead of the SL MVP.

I assume Beal won't come here if podz and moody are in his way. If not, we have a real shot to get him.

[jg77]

Murphy probably takes 2 firsts and Podz.

Unfortunately the Warriors view Podz as an untouchable. I doubt they'd trade him even if it was for an upgrade.

I wouldn't be surprised if we got Beal and he has to come off the bench for Podz lol.

[Twinkie defense]

Podz is not untouchable but he's a very valuable asset, especially for apron teams like the Warriors, because he's a guy who can start, is on an upswing, and - importantly - makes only $3.7 mil (and is under long-term team control).

Not many guys you can get Podz-level production from at $3.7 mil.

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[Onus]

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Wow JK really messed up ... no suitors over the mle. Is he really coming back for 3/45, which would be funny since Caris Levert signed for 2/29 and called him ass. At least he can still say he'd get more than Caris!!

[vvoland]

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Wow JK really messed up ... no suitors over the mle. Is he really coming back for 3/45, which would be funny since Caris Levert signed for 2/29 and called him ass. At least he can still say he'd get more than Caris!!

I'd take that in a heartbeat.

Not sure that going to Sacto would be the best call for JK. Not taking the 5/150 last summer really f-ed him but can you imagine how toxic this board would be if that extension was just kicking in next season?

[AirP.]

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Wow JK really messed up ... no suitors over the mle. Is he really coming back for 3/45, which would be funny since Caris Levert signed for 2/29 and called him ass. At least he can still say he'd get more than Caris!!

I'd take that in a heartbeat.

Not sure that going to Sacto would be the best call for JK. Not taking the 5/150 last summer really f-ed him but can you imagine how toxic this board would be if that extension was just kicking in next season?

Butler wouldn't have been traded for and GS would have made it a priority to start building around Kuminga. He really screwed up by not taking that contract which would have made him a priority in GS, instead GS moved on. It's not like this kind of thing hasn't happened before.

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[vvoland]

Wow JK really messed up ... no suitors over the mle. Is he really coming back for 3/45, which would be funny since Caris Levert signed for 2/29 and called him ass. At least he can still say he'd get more than Caris!!

I'd take that in a heartbeat.

Not sure that going to Sacto would be the best call for JK. Not taking the 5/150 last summer really f-ed him but can you imagine how toxic this board would be if that extension was just kicking in next season?

Butler wouldn't have been traded for and GS would have made it a priority to start building around Kuminga. He really screwed up by not taking that contract which would have made him a priority in GS, instead GS moved on. It's not like this kind of thing hasn't happened before.

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We dodged a major bullet but JK's agent should lose his license (only half kidding).

[statsman]

Wow JK really messed up ... no suitors over the mle. Is he really coming back for 3/45, which would be funny since Caris Levert signed for 2/29 and called him ass. At least he can still say he'd get more than Caris!!

JK's camp has been trying to strong-arm the Warriors into a S&T deal that nets JK well over $25M/yr. I don't see that happening, if the rumored "offers" to the Warriors are true.

So, unless MDJ can produce a miracle, JK's last savior is Lacob. Nobody want the QO to be signed, but I think there are still fair odds of that happening.

[vvoland]

Wow JK really messed up ... no suitors over the mle. Is he really coming back for 3/45, which would be funny since Caris Levert signed for 2/29 and called him ass. At least he can still say he'd get more than Caris!!

JK's camp has been trying to strong-arm the Warriors into a S&T deal that nets JK well over $25M/yr. I don't see that happening, if the rumored "offers" to the Warriors are true.

So, unless MDJ can produce a miracle, JK's last savior is Lacob. Nobody want the QO to be signed, but I think there are still fair odds of that happening.

If we're going to bring him back at 15, it might make sense to offer 3/60 as a gesture of goodwill. Not just that, but gives us more salary to match a big contract coming back.

[Onus]

Wow JK really messed up ... no suitors over the mle. Is he really coming back for 3/45, which would be funny since Caris Levert signed for 2/29 and called him ass. At least he can still say he'd get more than Caris!!

JK's camp has been trying to strong-arm the Warriors into a S&T deal that nets JK well over $25M/yr. I don't see that happening, if the rumored "offers" to the Warriors are true.

So, unless MDJ can produce a miracle, JK's last savior is Lacob. Nobody want the QO to be signed, but I think there are still fair odds of that happening.

I really don't see the qo as a reasonable solution for JK. 3/45 vs 1/8 then maybe another prove it deal on the mle 2/28 so 3/36 vs 3/45 and ask for the 2+1 with a player option. Just doesn't make any financial sense for him. He's already **** off 5/150 will he really be willing to throw away another potential 9M?

[AirP.]

I'd take that in a heartbeat.

Not sure that going to Sacto would be the best call for JK. Not taking the 5/150 last summer really f-ed him but can you imagine how toxic this board would be if that extension was just kicking in next season?

Butler wouldn't have been traded for and GS would have made it a priority to start building around Kuminga. He really screwed up by not taking that contract which would have made him a priority in GS, instead GS moved on. It's not like this kind of thing hasn't happened before.

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We dodged a major bullet but JK's agent should lose his license (only half kidding).

Noel tried suing his agent Rich Paul, and the case got dismissed.

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[vvoland]

Butler wouldn't have been traded for and GS would have made it a priority to start building around Kuminga. He really screwed up by not taking that contract which would have made him a priority in GS, instead GS moved on. It's not like this kind of thing hasn't happened before.

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We dodged a major bullet but JK's agent should lose his license (only half kidding).

Noel tried suing his agent Rich Paul, and the case got dismissed.

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I wouldn't go that far but, if I was JK, i would look for better representation.

[bay2hk]

Wow JK really messed up ... no suitors over the mle. Is he really coming back for 3/45, which would be funny since Caris Levert signed for 2/29 and called him ass. At least he can still say he'd get more than Caris!!

JK's camp has been trying to strong-arm the Warriors into a S&T deal that nets JK well over $25M/yr. I don't see that happening, if the rumored "offers" to the Warriors are true.

So, unless MDJ can produce a miracle, JK's last savior is Lacob. Nobody want the QO to be signed, but I think there are still fair odds of that happening.

If we're going to bring him back at 15, it might make sense to offer 3/60 as a gesture of goodwill. Not just that, but gives us more salary to match a big contract coming back.

Warriors are not going to bid against themselves. We are staying under the first apron no matter what so it’s either the QO or $15m per year (which is slightly higher than the NTMLE).

[AirP.]

Wow JK really messed up ... no suitors over the mle. Is he really coming back for 3/45, which would be funny since Caris Levert signed for 2/29 and called him ass. At least he can still say he'd get more than Caris!!

JK's camp has been trying to strong-arm the Warriors into a S&T deal that nets JK well over $25M/yr. I don't see that happening, if the rumored "offers" to the Warriors are true.

So, unless MDJ can produce a miracle, JK's last savior is Lacob. Nobody want the QO to be signed, but I think there are still fair odds of that happening.

I really don't see the qo as a reasonable solution for JK. 3/45 vs 1/8 then maybe another prove it deal on the mle 2/28 so 3/36 vs 3/45 and ask for the 2+1 with a player option. Just doesn't make any financial sense for him. He's already **** off 5/150 will he really be willing to throw away another potential 9M?

If he really wants to bet on himself, he should go for a short 3-year contract for as much as he can get (just in case of injury or quite possibly never getting a big contract). I would think GS has a contract it feels ok giving him that he probably won't like but the possible only other option would be to take the QO and hope GS trades him somewhere he wants to go so they can have his Bird rights.

[xdrta+]

Warriors are not going to bid against themselves. We are staying under the first apron no matter what so it’s either the QO or $15m per year (which is slightly higher than the NTMLE).

I don't see that happening. IMO, they'll play the season as a 1st Apron team. 1st Apron restrictions aren't that severe. They'll have no problem staying under the 2nd Apron.