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Re: 2025-2026: Around the League 

Post#581 » by MasterGMer » Mon Jul 7, 2025 2:47 am

RookieStar wrote:I dunno where to put this so here it goes.... we have a 27 pick right? Perfect.

Ibwas watching the U19 Fiba... i came for GER reibe something but i stayed for steinbach.

We need to draft that dude. 6'9 barefoot supposedly. Paolos backup. Gonna go to the ncaa this season with Fultz alma mater


I think Steinback will end up a lot higher in the draft. He is considering NCAA route right now per report. Dude is a bigger and stronger version of Franz plus with rebounding ability. He averaged double digit in rebound in the U19 World Cup but ended up with 7 against Team USA today.

Lots of talent in this next year's draft. Mikel Brown from Lousiville. Plus AJ Dybansta, easily the top 2 pick. And more. Boozer brothers didn't even play for the U19 National team.

This next year's draft looks pretty good to me
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Re: 2025-2026: Around the League 

Post#582 » by RookieStar » Mon Jul 7, 2025 3:00 am

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RookieStar wrote:I dunno where to put this so here it goes.... we have a 27 pick right? Perfect.

Ibwas watching the U19 Fiba... i came for GER reibe something but i stayed for steinbach.

We need to draft that dude. 6'9 barefoot supposedly. Paolos backup. Gonna go to the ncaa this season with Fultz alma mater


I think Steinback will end up a lot higher in the draft. He is considering NCAA route right now per report. Dude is a bigger and stronger version of Franz plus with rebounding ability. He averaged double digit in rebound in the U19 World Cup but ended up with 7 against Team USA today.

Lots of talent in this next year's draft. Mikel Brown from Lousiville. Plus AJ Dybansta, easily the top 2 pick. And more. Boozer brothers didn't even play for the U19 National team.

This next year's draft looks pretty good to me


Steinbach and reibe are going washington and uconn resepctively this season. If they stay only 1 year.... those are lotto guys.

Steinbachs game looked to be a lot closer to Moe than Franz though..
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Re: 2025-2026: Around the League 

Post#583 » by Knightro » Mon Jul 7, 2025 2:34 pm

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Good trade for Miami. Not sure what it does for the Clippers?
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Re: 2025-2026: Around the League 

Post#584 » by Idiosyncratic » Mon Jul 7, 2025 3:16 pm

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Good trade for Miami. Not sure what it does for the Clippers?


Kind of like Collins there better than Powell. But Powell was good last year, I am surprised the Heat got him for nothing. Scoring only guards have zero value around the league right now, just the reality at this point. Don't think Powell rated super terrible on defense last year, but pretty bad most every other year. Doesn't really rebound or pass either. I still wouldn't mind him coming off my bench because he is really efficient, but score only guards really just are not valued. Still love the value for the Heat though (essentially free), don't get me wrong.

For the Clippers I think it balances their team better and maybe they could finish the offseason with Beal or Chris Paul. Paul and Harden winning a chip together in his final year would be pretty poetic, but I don't know if they will be good enough and I know it would make a lot of people mad :lol: I would root for them in the west though.
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Re: 2025-2026: Around the League 

Post#585 » by Knightro » Mon Jul 7, 2025 3:19 pm

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Good trade for Miami. Not sure what it does for the Clippers?


Kind of like Collins there better than Powell. But Powell was good last year, I am surprised the Heat got him for nothing. Scoring only guards have zero value around the league right now, just the reality at this point. Don't think Powell rated super terrible on defense last year, but pretty bad most every other year. Doesn't really rebound or pass either. I still wouldn't mind him coming off my bench because he is really efficient, but score only guards really just are not valued. Still love the value for the Heat though, don't get me wrong.

For the Clippers I think it balances their team better and maybe they could finish the offseason with Beal or Chris Paul. Paul and Harden winning a chip together in his final year would be pretty poetic, but I don't know if they will be good enough and I know it would make a lot of people mad :lol: I would root for them in the west though.


I think there's a scenario where the Clippers could sign Bradley Beal *and* Chris Paul.
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Re: 2025-2026: Around the League 

Post#586 » by RookieStar » Mon Jul 7, 2025 8:54 pm

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Good trade for Miami. Not sure what it does for the Clippers?


Does this make MIA tougher for us?
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Re: 2025-2026: Around the League 

Post#587 » by Knightro » Mon Jul 7, 2025 8:58 pm

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Good trade for Miami. Not sure what it does for the Clippers?


Does this make MIA tougher for us?


Of course it does.

They gave up two guys who probably weren't going to be in their rotation at all for a guy they can play 30 MPG. They're definitely better than they were.
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Re: 2025-2026: Around the League 

Post#588 » by RookieStar » Mon Jul 7, 2025 9:08 pm

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Good trade for Miami. Not sure what it does for the Clippers?


Does this make MIA tougher for us?


Of course it does.

They gave up two guys who probably weren't going to be in their rotation at all for a guy they can play 30 MPG. They're definitely better than they were.


Yeah.. scoring wise sure but does it address the problem on their end? Everyone knows its Franz/Paolo and now Bane... they need big wings to slow them down. Bam and Ware aren't enough.

Powell is only 6'4 right? I meant a problem like ATL when they got bigger guys to challenge us.
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Re: 2025-2026: Around the League 

Post#589 » by Knightro » Mon Jul 7, 2025 9:12 pm

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Does this make MIA tougher for us?


Of course it does.

They gave up two guys who probably weren't going to be in their rotation at all for a guy they can play 30 MPG. They're definitely better than they were.


Yeah.. scoring wise sure but does it address the problem on their end? Everyone knows its Franz/Paolo and now Bane... they need big wings to slow them down. Bam and Ware aren't enough.

Powell is only 6'4 right? I meant a problem like ATL when they got bigger guys to challenge us.


I'm not sure what you're even asking.

Powell scored 22 PPG on a .615 TS%. He's a very efficient and talented scorer.

Miami was 21st in ORTG.

They gave up two players who were not going to play for them.

Of course it makes them a better basketball team.
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Post#590 » by RookieStar » Mon Jul 7, 2025 9:42 pm

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Of course it does.

They gave up two guys who probably weren't going to be in their rotation at all for a guy they can play 30 MPG. They're definitely better than they were.


Yeah.. scoring wise sure but does it address the problem on their end? Everyone knows its Franz/Paolo and now Bane... they need big wings to slow them down. Bam and Ware aren't enough.

Powell is only 6'4 right? I meant a problem like ATL when they got bigger guys to challenge us.


I'm not sure what you're even asking.

Powell scored 22 PPG on a .615 TS%. He's a very efficient and talented scorer.

Miami was 21st in ORTG.

They gave up two players who were not going to play for them.

Of course it makes them a better basketball team.


Apologies. I should have worded my question better.

Does this make or equip MIA to at least challenge even the SE division? Considering us and ATL just reloaded with bigs and MIA's problem before was their height. They did not really address the problem of how to stop bigmen or big wings.
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Re: 2025-2026: Around the League 

Post#591 » by jezzerinho » Mon Jul 7, 2025 10:01 pm

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Yeah.. scoring wise sure but does it address the problem on their end? Everyone knows its Franz/Paolo and now Bane... they need big wings to slow them down. Bam and Ware aren't enough.

Powell is only 6'4 right? I meant a problem like ATL when they got bigger guys to challenge us.


I'm not sure what you're even asking.

Powell scored 22 PPG on a .615 TS%. He's a very efficient and talented scorer.

Miami was 21st in ORTG.

They gave up two players who were not going to play for them.

Of course it makes them a better basketball team.


Apologies. I should have worded my question better.

Does this make or equip MIA to at least challenge even the SE division? Considering us and ATL just reloaded with bigs and MIA's problem before was their height. They did not really address the problem of how to stop bigmen or big wings.


I'm constantly amazed by how Miami keep swinging these deals for good players.

But, and it's a significant but, an expiring like Powell has to gel asap. In this alphabet soup of moving player that Miami likes to roll with, I just wonder how they can develop cohesion and understanding and fit.

On paper,
Powell / Rozier
Herro / Mitchell
Wiggins / Jovic
Adebayo
Ware

Is a fairly talented top 8 rotation. But do they gel? Is the depth good enough? Dunno. Will a year extra development of Ware and Jovic address the concern you raised? Maybe. Maybe not.

I think Adebayo is approaching underrated at this point. A bit like with pre-trade Siakam, people stopped looking at what was right in front of their eyes and reasoned themselves into believing he wasn't all that.

That said, I think the constant roster churn strategy is v hit-or-miss. Likely 2 miss years for every 1 hit.
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Re: 2025-2026: Around the League 

Post#592 » by UCFJayBird » Mon Jul 7, 2025 10:20 pm

Miami basically just keeps kicking the rebuild can down the road. Powell for basically free is obviously a big win for them, but it doesn't do enough (IMO) to catapult them into the Top 4 of the East. I think they're basically a fringe playoff team again, though you can never discount Spoelstra and getting the most out of his teams.

I'm not too worried about Miami, just surprised they're still refusing to go into full rebuild. Not sure if that's because of Riley's age, Spoelstra not wanting to coach a rebuild, a combination, other factors, etc.
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Re: 2025-2026: Around the League 

Post#593 » by RookieStar » Mon Jul 7, 2025 11:21 pm

jezzerinho wrote:
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Knightro wrote:
I'm not sure what you're even asking.

Powell scored 22 PPG on a .615 TS%. He's a very efficient and talented scorer.

Miami was 21st in ORTG.

They gave up two players who were not going to play for them.

Of course it makes them a better basketball team.


Apologies. I should have worded my question better.

Does this make or equip MIA to at least challenge even the SE division? Considering us and ATL just reloaded with bigs and MIA's problem before was their height. They did not really address the problem of how to stop bigmen or big wings.


I'm constantly amazed by how Miami keep swinging these deals for good players.

But, and it's a significant but, an expiring like Powell has to gel asap. In this alphabet soup of moving player that Miami likes to roll with, I just wonder how they can develop cohesion and understanding and fit.

On paper,
Powell / Rozier
Herro / Mitchell
Wiggins / Jovic
Adebayo
Ware

Is a fairly talented top 8 rotation. But do they gel? Is the depth good enough? Dunno. Will a year extra development of Ware and Jovic address the concern you raised? Maybe. Maybe not.

I think Adebayo is approaching underrated at this point. A bit like with pre-trade Siakam, people stopped looking at what was right in front of their eyes and reasoned themselves into believing he wasn't all that.

That said, I think the constant roster churn strategy is v hit-or-miss. Likely 2 miss years for every 1 hit.


Powell for PG?

I kinda actually thought he plays best as an undersized SF during his POR years
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Re: 2025-2026: Around the League 

Post#594 » by MasterGMer » Tue Jul 8, 2025 12:14 am

I think and hope a big trade is coming up for Miami especially after they missed on Kevin Durant. (so close)
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Re: 2025-2026: Around the League 

Post#595 » by BadMofoPimp » Tue Jul 8, 2025 12:57 am

UCFJayBird wrote:Miami basically just keeps kicking the rebuild can down the road. Powell for basically free is obviously a big win for them, but it doesn't do enough (IMO) to catapult them into the Top 4 of the East. I think they're basically a fringe playoff team again, though you can never discount Spoelstra and getting the most out of his teams.

I'm not too worried about Miami, just surprised they're still refusing to go into full rebuild. Not sure if that's because of Riley's age, Spoelstra not wanting to coach a rebuild, a combination, other factors, etc.


I just don't think the Heat want to become the Kings or Wizards for the next decade praying each draft to win the lotto.
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Re: 2025-2026: Around the League 

Post#596 » by GelbeWand09 » Tue Jul 8, 2025 8:00 am

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UCFJayBird wrote:Miami basically just keeps kicking the rebuild can down the road. Powell for basically free is obviously a big win for them, but it doesn't do enough (IMO) to catapult them into the Top 4 of the East. I think they're basically a fringe playoff team again, though you can never discount Spoelstra and getting the most out of his teams.

I'm not too worried about Miami, just surprised they're still refusing to go into full rebuild. Not sure if that's because of Riley's age, Spoelstra not wanting to coach a rebuild, a combination, other factors, etc.


I just don't think the Heat want to become the Kings or Wizards for the next decade praying each draft to win the lotto.



I think that is pretty outdated. Kings are doing constantly win now moves for 5-6 years at least and doesn't tank. They just have a weird obsession of getting highly flawed players and doesn't get someone like Butler like Miami.
They even drafted 3 years in a row old rookies in the lottery because they thought they contribute faster
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Re: 2025-2026: Around the League 

Post#597 » by pepe1991 » Tue Jul 8, 2025 10:25 am

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BadMofoPimp wrote:
UCFJayBird wrote:Miami basically just keeps kicking the rebuild can down the road. Powell for basically free is obviously a big win for them, but it doesn't do enough (IMO) to catapult them into the Top 4 of the East. I think they're basically a fringe playoff team again, though you can never discount Spoelstra and getting the most out of his teams.

I'm not too worried about Miami, just surprised they're still refusing to go into full rebuild. Not sure if that's because of Riley's age, Spoelstra not wanting to coach a rebuild, a combination, other factors, etc.


I just don't think the Heat want to become the Kings or Wizards for the next decade praying each draft to win the lotto.



I think that is pretty outdated. Kings are doing constantly win now moves for 5-6 years at least and doesn't tank. They just have a weird obsession of getting highly flawed players and doesn't get someone like Butler like Miami.
They even drafted 3 years in a row old rookies in the lottery because they thought they contribute faster


Kings had streak of 16 trips to lottery in a row to pull up...Cousins.

Team like Kings needs complete overhaul. That requires GM who knows what he is doing and owner to get a f*** out of sport decisions. Good GM won't touch Kings with 10 foot stick because such person knows he can't work with idiot like Vivek turning everything in $hitsoop.

No matter how much we like to pretend that nba teams are advanced and modern, still half of a league is ran by complete morons.

Just look at off season of Hornets, Bulls, Kings, Raptors, Bucks, Pelicans , Blazers... Those teams couldn't do any worst even if they tried.

And for Kings... if you have Divac, and that Divac spent half of his life in Europe watching Dončić grow up, and he passes him for 6'9 center who can't defend (nor is all that great on offense because guy is definition of tunnel vision )... you get what you deserve.
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Re: 2025-2026: Around the League 

Post#598 » by drsd » Tue Jul 8, 2025 10:29 am

pepe1991 wrote:Just look at off season of Hornets, Bulls, Kings, Raptors, Bucks, Pelicans , Blazers... Those teams couldn't do any worst even if they tried.


Did you see that Portland gave back the two Boston 2rp's in the Simons trade? What a joke.
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Re: 2025-2026: Around the League 

Post#599 » by SloNick Russia » Tue Jul 8, 2025 3:43 pm

Miami has awsome EXP capital in Rozier and Powell now. Plus plenty of picks. My guess is that they will continue to sniff around if a big name player gets available in a trade, I think they would love to trade Herro before his extension time comes.

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Re: 2025-2026: Around the League 

Post#600 » by MasterGMer » Wed Jul 9, 2025 12:09 am

Joker just declined Denver's Extension offer. Something brewing out there?

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