Schroder's gone

[Snakebites]

I'm guessing given the wording of Seigel's tweet is that the 2026 Second round pick we're getting is protected into non existence.

Why did we give up a second rounder to generate a TPE? I'd like to think it's because we have a plan for that TPE, but if we did wouldn't it just be a three team trade?

Color me confused/unimpressed by the asset management here. I had fully come to terms with the fact that we likely weren't getting anything substantial for this, but why give up a second rounder to generate this TPE which there's a solid chance won't get used?

No biggie, I'm just confused.

We essentially paid to create the TPE to keep our future options open.

Yeah, I'm not upset about it. It just strikes me as uninspired. The Kings also retained their MLE- they got something out of it being a sign and trade too. So weird that we had to pay.

It's whatever. I didn't expect anything much out of this.

[NYPiston]

Wait, so we get the TPE after all at the cost of a 2nd? Sounds good to me but man alive is NBA trading and the cap rules way more confusing than any other sport.

[LaSheed]

Im with Snakebite. Right now you don't give up a 2nd for a tpe youre not going to use. Bad asset management.

If we use it. Good asset management.

[Phobo_Phile]

I feel pretty strongly like the Pistons could still very well use that TPE during this off-season and then at the deadline aggregate that player's salary with another to make a big splash.

I know a lot of people think teams don't usually use TPEs but that's because teams are usually in or close to the luxury tax. Pistons are in a unique position to add a player of significant salary and still not be anywhere near the tax.

This was the best case scenario imo.

[Strawder]

We've got a ton of 2d round picks. Giving up one for a trade exception is an outstanding financial move. Plus our 2d rounder next year isn't likely to be particularly high. Late 2d rounders are generally g league players at best.

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[Snakebites]

So we’re clear- I prefer this over taking on Malik Monk. And getting a player of genuine value in this trade was always a pipe dream.

[NYPiston]

Im with Snakebite. Right now you don't give up a 2nd for a tpe youre not going to use. Bad asset management.

If we use it. Good asset management.

2nds are throwaway assets unless it's a very high 2nd plus they got another one back didn't they? I don't see the issue. They now have more cap flexibility in a season they're looking to advance in the playoffs, I'd consider that a win for a guy who was leaving for free agency anyway.

[tmorgan]

I think this is big enough to take PJ Washington.

The question is, what will Dallas take for him, now or during the year? Probably highly depends on how competitive they end up being.

[GreekAlex]

I think this is big enough to take PJ Washington.

The question is, what will Dallas take for him, now or during the year? Probably highly depends on how competitive they end up being.

As you said, a lot will depend on how the season unfolds but I love that Langdon put us in a very flexible position.

A lot will depend on what Tobias is seeking in his next contract and if Dallas intends to re-sign Washington.

I’d love to steal him for Kilintman and the TPE.

I don’t foresee a lot of teams willing to pay a first round pick for a MLE type guy like Washington.

[Pharaoh]

Did we get a 2nd or give one?

Did we trade for Levert? Could he fit in the TPE?

Is Duncan official yet or could he fit in the TPE?

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[tmorgan]

Did we get a 2nd or give one?

Did we trade for Levert? Could he fit in the TPE?

Is Duncan official yet or could he fit in the TPE?

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TPE’s don’t mean anything if you’re under the cap already, which we currently are. Using it on those guys would be a waste.

[Pharaoh]

Did we get a 2nd or give one?

Did we trade for Levert? Could he fit in the TPE?

Is Duncan official yet or could he fit in the TPE?

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TPE’s don’t mean anything if you’re under the cap already, which we currently are. Using it on those guys would be a waste.

How are/were we under the cap?

Seems if we ordered our off-season in the right way we'd be operating as a team over the cap and if we traded for Levert and Duncan we'd still have our MLE

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[Snakebites]

Did we get a 2nd or give one?

Did we trade for Levert? Could he fit in the TPE?

Is Duncan official yet or could he fit in the TPE?

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TPE’s don’t mean anything if you’re under the cap already, which we currently are. Using it on those guys would be a waste.

How are/were we under the cap?

Seems if we ordered our off-season in the right way we'd be operating as a team over the cap and if we traded for Levert and Duncan we'd still have our MLE

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What he means is we are under the cap without the signings you suggest taking place. Those are signings we were able to do without a TPE, so there's no reason to use one here. A TPE is a mechanism that allows you to take on additional salary via trade despite being over the cap. That is its sole purpose.

[tmorgan]

Did we get a 2nd or give one?

Did we trade for Levert? Could he fit in the TPE?

Is Duncan official yet or could he fit in the TPE?

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TPE’s don’t mean anything if you’re under the cap already, which we currently are. Using it on those guys would be a waste.

How are/were we under the cap?

Seems if we ordered our off-season in the right way we'd be operating as a team over the cap and if we traded for Levert and Duncan we'd still have our MLE

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You can double check for sure, but I think Beasley unexpectedly getting unsigned, THJ going to Denver, and Schroder going to Sacramento has kept us under, even with Caris and DR on the squad. Or, at the very least, it would take both of the incoming players to put us over, so using it on one of them would be wasteful.

EDIT: yesh, Snake said it better. I was rushing to do something, my bad.

[Crymson]

For anyone who's curious, this is how the Pistons stayed over the cap:

1. Re-sign Reed and Schroder over their Bird rights to reach the cap.
2. Sign LeVert using the MLE
3. Sign-and-trade Schroder.

There might have been teensy bit of space between the salaries of Reed + Schroder and the cap; if that was the case, then the Robinson trade fit in between 1 and 2 and ate up the rest of it (by switching Fontecchio's smaller salary for Robinson's larger salary). But for Robinson joining the team, the Pistons may have paid Schroder a little more to make up that difference (again, if it existed). Or maybe they'd have used Lanier's salary. No idea.

Either way, the Pistons now have the BAE and the TPE to work with.

[LaSheed]

Wait we got a charlotte top 55 protected 2026 2nd. Oh okay?

[VicVinegar]

Wow, that's freaking awesome for only a 2nd! It says trade exceptions expire in one calendar year, so in theory could the Pistons use the exception on the 2026/2027 team? That much money might play a role in replacing Harris coming off the books with our next PF.

[tmorgan]

For anyone who's curious, this is how the Pistons stayed over the cap:

1. Re-sign Reed and Schroder over their Bird rights to reach the cap.
2. Sign LeVert using the MLE
3. Sign-and-trade Schroder.

There might have been teensy bit of space between the salaries of Reed + Schroder and the cap; if that was the case, then the Robinson trade fit in between 1 and 2 and ate up the rest of it (by switching Fontecchio's smaller salary for Robinson's larger salary). But for Robinson joining the team, the Pistons may have paid Schroder a little more to make up that difference (again, if it existed). Or maybe they'd have used Lanier's salary. No idea.

Either way, the Pistons now have the BAE and the TPE to work with.

I don’t think it’s hyperbole to state Weaver and his team wouldn’t have managed this.

[VicVinegar]

For anyone who's curious, this is how the Pistons stayed over the cap:

1. Re-sign Reed and Schroder over their Bird rights to reach the cap.
2. Sign LeVert using the MLE
3. Sign-and-trade Schroder.

There might have been teensy bit of space between the salaries of Reed + Schroder and the cap; if that was the case, then the Robinson trade fit in between 1 and 2 and ate up the rest of it (by switching Fontecchio's smaller salary for Robinson's larger salary). But for Robinson joining the team, the Pistons may have paid Schroder a little more to make up that difference (again, if it existed). Or maybe they'd have used Lanier's salary. No idea.

Either way, the Pistons now have the BAE and the TPE to work with.

Awesome, I was just thinking how the Reed signing might have originally been reported as A BAE and I was thinking wouldn't it have been smarter to just sign Reed normally? Great if we have the BAE too.

[Pharaoh]

For anyone who's curious, this is how the Pistons stayed over the cap:

1. Re-sign Reed and Schroder over their Bird rights to reach the cap.
2. Sign LeVert using the MLE
3. Sign-and-trade Schroder.

There might have been teensy bit of space between the salaries of Reed + Schroder and the cap; if that was the case, then the Robinson trade fit in between 1 and 2 and ate up the rest of it (by switching Fontecchio's smaller salary for Robinson's larger salary). But for Robinson joining the team, the Pistons may have paid Schroder a little more to make up that difference (again, if it existed). Or maybe they'd have used Lanier's salary. No idea.

Either way, the Pistons now have the BAE and the TPE to work with.

So we operated as an over the cap team, not under?

Is there a situation that would have allowed us to work the system so that we still have the MLE and not the TPE?

1 - trade Fontecchio for Duncan
2 - resign Reed and Schroeder
3 - S&T Schroeder to the Kings
4 - Acquire LeVert into TPE from Atlanta

Could that have worked? Assuming obviously LeVert starting salary is = to the TPE of course



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