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Re: Chicago Bulls select Noa Essengue - #12 overall 

Post#641 » by DuckIII » Tue Jul 8, 2025 1:58 am

nomorezorro wrote:weirdly encouraged by how comfortable buzelis seems to be stepping into the Face Of The Franchise role already

i know it doesn't actually mean anything but in my head it's like...ok the spotlight/pressure isn't going to be a thing that holds him back. (plus i just think he's neat)


He's cocky and frankly a little arrogant. I suspect he probably does already think of it as his team. And of course those are perfectly fine traits in a professional athlete who can actually back it up. I think he will back it up. He's the only post-2000 Bulls prospect other than Derrick Rose who you look at and see "franchise player" as a realistic stop on the developmental curve. Now we've had highly talented guys (definitions vary, I realize) bust, like Tyrus Thomas and potentially Pat, and we've had guys become franchise players out of nowhere - Jimmy and to some extent Noah. But even with the more "talented" ones you were saying they could be really good, in theory, if everything goes right. That's not what I see with Matas. I see a guy who is on an arc that ends in franchise player, and that you can say it without it sounding nuts or an outrageous stretch. Still unlikely? Of course. That's true of everyone except the real generational freaks like LeBron or Wemby. But its entirely plausible. Like, its something a fan of another team would say.
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Re: Chicago Bulls select Noa Essengue - #12 overall 

Post#642 » by WookieOnRitalin » Tue Jul 8, 2025 2:00 am

Crazy to think that Noa and Matas are 6'10 with 35" verticals. Crazy to think that will be the front line for the next few years.
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Re: Chicago Bulls select Noa Essengue - #12 overall 

Post#643 » by DuckIII » Tue Jul 8, 2025 2:04 am

Almost Retired wrote:Matas is going to impress some folks this year. I think his development is ahead of schedule. Him and Noah are going be a terror in the league in a couple of years.


His development was already well ahead of my own predicted schedule for him last year. I had Matas projected as a 3 year prospect, most particularly due to his long ball. But his three and, really, his whole game was much further along by the end of the season than I expected it to be. I think he's a 2 year prospect now.

Noa, he's even less developed than Matas was. I definitely think he's 3 years away and I don't expect to be surprised this time like I was with Matas. But I agree, if you imagine them as fully successfully developed players, it could be a tremendous duo. I like the vision and planning of it. Will it work? Never know. But it makes sense on paper, which has not always been the case with AK.
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Re: Chicago Bulls select Noa Essengue - #12 overall 

Post#644 » by DuckIII » Tue Jul 8, 2025 2:06 am

WookieOnRitalin wrote:Crazy to think that Noa and Matas are 6'10 with 35" verticals. Crazy to think that will be the front line for the next few years.


Matas is actually a 38 max vert. Presumably why he got the Slam Dunk invite last year.
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Re: Chicago Bulls select Noa Essengue - #12 overall 

Post#645 » by DropStep » Tue Jul 8, 2025 2:15 am

The Essengue pick is an interesting departure for the Bulls, in that there is almost no chance he helps us "compete" or "win" or put people in seats in the near term. In fact, there's a decent chance this guy isn't seen much for a season-plus, and the average fan kind of forgets about him. This was a pick with a high ceiling in the long term, which is not a thing the Bulls have generally been accused of valuing properly in the past. AKME may be right or they may be wrong about what Essengue will end up being, but you can't say they are making picks trying to keep themselves from being fired next year. Maybe that's something that the extensions and the stability that comes with it do bring you, even if you don't like the people on the receiving end. So... we got that going for us?
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Re: Chicago Bulls select Noa Essengue - #12 overall 

Post#646 » by Chi town » Tue Jul 8, 2025 2:18 am

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nomorezorro wrote:weirdly encouraged by how comfortable buzelis seems to be stepping into the Face Of The Franchise role already

i know it doesn't actually mean anything but in my head it's like...ok the spotlight/pressure isn't going to be a thing that holds him back. (plus i just think he's neat)


He's cocky and frankly a little arrogant. I suspect he probably does already think of it as his team. And of course those are perfectly fine traits in a professional athlete who can actually back it up. I think he will back it up. He's the only post-2000 Bulls prospect other than Derrick Rose who you look at and see "franchise player" as a realistic stop on the developmental curve. Now we've had highly talented guys (definitions vary, I realize) bust, like Tyrus Thomas and potentially Pat, and we've had guys become franchise players out of nowhere - Jimmy and to some extent Noah. But even with the more "talented" ones you were saying they could be really good, in theory, if everything goes right. That's not what I see with Matas. I see a guy who is on an arc that ends in franchise player, and that you can say it without it sounding nuts or an outrageous stretch. Still unlikely? Of course. That's true of everyone except the real generational freaks like LeBron or Wemby. But its entirely plausible. Like, its something a fan of another team would say.


Exactly where I’m at.

Buz wants to be the best and he believes he can. He will start to do it on the court and it will go from believe I can to believe I will.

I’m here for it.

Hoping Noa has that same demeanor.
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Re: Chicago Bulls select Noa Essengue - #12 overall 

Post#647 » by Chi town » Tue Jul 8, 2025 2:20 am

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Almost Retired wrote:Matas is going to impress some folks this year. I think his development is ahead of schedule. Him and Noah are going be a terror in the league in a couple of years.


His development was already well ahead of my own predicted schedule for him last year. I had Matas projected as a 3 year prospect, most particularly due to his long ball. But his three and, really, his whole game was much further along by the end of the season than I expected it to be. I think he's a 2 year prospect now.

Noa, he's even less developed than Matas was. I definitely think he's 3 years away and I don't expect to be surprised this time like I was with Matas. But I agree, if you imagine them as fully successfully developed players, it could be a tremendous duo. I like the vision and planning of it. Will it work? Never know. But it makes sense on paper, which has not always been the case with AK.


How do you see Billy using them with Giddey?

I know they will both be flying up and down the court in transition and hawking on D.

What else?
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Re: Chicago Bulls select Noa Essengue - #12 overall 

Post#648 » by ThisGuyFawkes » Tue Jul 8, 2025 2:39 am

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Almost Retired wrote:Matas is going to impress some folks this year. I think his development is ahead of schedule. Him and Noah are going be a terror in the league in a couple of years.


His development was already well ahead of my own predicted schedule for him last year. I had Matas projected as a 3 year prospect, most particularly due to his long ball. But his three and, really, his whole game was much further along by the end of the season than I expected it to be. I think he's a 2 year prospect now.

Noa, he's even less developed than Matas was. I definitely think he's 3 years away and I don't expect to be surprised this time like I was with Matas. But I agree, if you imagine them as fully successfully developed players, it could be a tremendous duo. I like the vision and planning of it. Will it work? Never know. But it makes sense on paper, which has not always been the case with AK.


How do you see Billy using them with Giddey?

I know they will both be flying up and down the court in transition and hawking on D.

What else?


Cuts. The halfcourt is where they will have to make their mark. Essengue has been really good at finding sweet spots in the defense and then capitalizing with dunks or fouls drawn. Same with Matas.

If they can keep the defense on their toes, then that alleviates a lot on the perimeter for pick-and-rolls for guys like Giddey and White.

Obviously we're going to live and die by the fast break, but we know there will be half-court possessions throughout the game. We really need to rely on ball movement and cuts due to a lack of a true shot creator.
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Re: Chicago Bulls select Noa Essengue - #12 overall 

Post#649 » by DuckIII » Tue Jul 8, 2025 3:03 am

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Almost Retired wrote:Matas is going to impress some folks this year. I think his development is ahead of schedule. Him and Noah are going be a terror in the league in a couple of years.


His development was already well ahead of my own predicted schedule for him last year. I had Matas projected as a 3 year prospect, most particularly due to his long ball. But his three and, really, his whole game was much further along by the end of the season than I expected it to be. I think he's a 2 year prospect now.

Noa, he's even less developed than Matas was. I definitely think he's 3 years away and I don't expect to be surprised this time like I was with Matas. But I agree, if you imagine them as fully successfully developed players, it could be a tremendous duo. I like the vision and planning of it. Will it work? Never know. But it makes sense on paper, which has not always been the case with AK.


How do you see Billy using them with Giddey?

I know they will both be flying up and down the court in transition and hawking on D.

What else?


That's about it for Noa, for now. I would imagine in whatever time he gets this year, they'll hide him in the half court offense. Maybe run some back screens for him for lobs? Work on his corner 3? I don't see much.

Matas, to me, will be Giddey's #1 go-to guy in both the half court and full court. I envision Coby will get a lot of his shots off early hand-offs from Giddey or simply just bringing it up on his own. But when Giddey is operating, I expect Matas to be a major target on both kick-outs and cuts. I also think we'll see Matas post up mismatches more frequently, by design. Lastly, I think Matas will get more opportunities to operate on ball early in the clock. I expect his iso-game to take a step forward this year, again by design.

He should pass Vuc to be the third option.
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Re: Chicago Bulls select Noa Essengue - #12 overall 

Post#650 » by DuckIII » Tue Jul 8, 2025 3:06 am

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His development was already well ahead of my own predicted schedule for him last year. I had Matas projected as a 3 year prospect, most particularly due to his long ball. But his three and, really, his whole game was much further along by the end of the season than I expected it to be. I think he's a 2 year prospect now.

Noa, he's even less developed than Matas was. I definitely think he's 3 years away and I don't expect to be surprised this time like I was with Matas. But I agree, if you imagine them as fully successfully developed players, it could be a tremendous duo. I like the vision and planning of it. Will it work? Never know. But it makes sense on paper, which has not always been the case with AK.


How do you see Billy using them with Giddey?

I know they will both be flying up and down the court in transition and hawking on D.

What else?


Cuts. The halfcourt is where they will have to make their mark. Essengue has been really good at finding sweet spots in the defense and then capitalizing with dunks or fouls drawn. Same with Matas.

If they can keep the defense on their toes, then that alleviates a lot on the perimeter for pick-and-rolls for guys like Giddey and White.

Obviously we're going to live and die by the fast break, but we know there will be half-court possessions throughout the game. We really need to rely on ball movement and cuts due to a lack of a true shot creator.


Totally agree. Though Coby is a true shot creator. But he's our only one right now. Matas should start to spread his wings a little bit in that regard this year as well. A little bit.
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Re: Chicago Bulls select Noa Essengue - #12 overall 

Post#651 » by ScrantonBulls » Tue Jul 8, 2025 3:30 am

I'm more excited than I've been in years. I live that were finally adding some athleticism and upside. Athletic rim runners are exactly who you really next to Giddy. I need to temper my expectations a bit because he is so raw. But Giddy + Matas is an exciting duo to look forward to - assuming they keep improving. I would love to trade Coby for a raw, high upside type player if that becomes available. Roll the rice and hope they develop with Noa.
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Re: Chicago Bulls select Noa Essengue - #12 overall 

Post#652 » by GoBlue72391 » Tue Jul 8, 2025 3:40 am

WookieOnRitalin wrote:Crazy to think that Noa and Matas are 6'10 with 35" verticals. Crazy to think that will be the front line for the next few years.

Matas has got to have higher vert than 35, he's crazy bouncy and explosive.
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Re: Chicago Bulls select Noa Essengue - #12 overall 

Post#653 » by DuckIII » Tue Jul 8, 2025 3:41 am

ScrantonBulls wrote:I'm more excited than I've been in years. I live that were finally adding some athleticism and upside. Athletic rim runners are exactly who you really next to Giddy. I need to temper my expectations a bit because he is so raw. But Giddy + Matas is an exciting duo to look forward to - assuming they keep improving. I would love to trade Coby for a raw, high upside type player if that becomes available. Roll the rice and hope they develop with Noa.


I don't really know what this team's ceiling is. I don't think its super high based on assumed probabilities, but I'm not as worried about it as I was 1 year ago. What we are doing now is at least logical, strategically justifiable, projects to be entertaining to watch, and is centered in youth, athleticism and contractual flexibility. Plus at minimum we have all our own picks back. Low bar, but cleared nonetheless.

Given my dim view of AK, I am content with what we are doing now as a fan. Its not an utterly hopeless **** show of nonsensical buffoonery anymore. It might not be a path to contention, but at least its interesting, fun, and fluid enough that it can be adapted. I'm stoked for that.
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Re: Chicago Bulls select Noa Essengue - #12 overall 

Post#654 » by Chi town » Tue Jul 8, 2025 4:46 am

Another one.

https://youtu.be/O4-dtfNLwRM?si=x5Cew9DCpcjbpTyp

The more I hear from him the more I think he has the same mentality as Buz.
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Re: Chicago Bulls select Noa Essengue - #12 overall 

Post#655 » by kodo » Tue Jul 8, 2025 5:19 am

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WookieOnRitalin wrote:Crazy to think that Noa and Matas are 6'10 with 35" verticals. Crazy to think that will be the front line for the next few years.

Matas has got to have higher vert than 35, he's crazy bouncy and explosive.

He was measured at 38" which is insane for a guy his size. VJ Edgecombe is 38.5" and he's freakishly athletic and a lot smaller.
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Re: Chicago Bulls select Noa Essengue - #12 overall 

Post#656 » by BullChit » Tue Jul 8, 2025 6:41 am

Chi town wrote:Another one.

https://youtu.be/O4-dtfNLwRM?si=x5Cew9DCpcjbpTyp

The more I hear from him the more I think he has the same mentality as Buz.


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Re: Chicago Bulls select Noa Essengue - #12 overall 

Post#657 » by Ctownbulls » Tue Jul 8, 2025 10:47 am

Chi town wrote:Another one.

https://youtu.be/O4-dtfNLwRM?si=x5Cew9DCpcjbpTyp

The more I hear from him the more I think he has the same mentality as Buz.


Agreed, but can't deny that leaving his team during the championship is kind of a bitch move.

I want to believe he has that same "mentality" but it's hard for me to get over that right now.

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Re: Chicago Bulls select Noa Essengue - #12 overall 

Post#658 » by DASMACKDOWN » Tue Jul 8, 2025 11:58 am

I don't really have anything to add concerning Noa. I have never seen him play to give an opinion.

But I just like the fact that these guys are tall, long arms and athletic. You are automatically at an advantage.
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Re: Chicago Bulls select Noa Essengue - #12 overall 

Post#659 » by League Circles » Tue Jul 8, 2025 12:25 pm

Just watched him talk for the first time. His demeanor, physical characteristics and way of speaking actually remind me a bit of Pippen.
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Re: Chicago Bulls select Noa Essengue - #12 overall 

Post#660 » by Truebiscuit » Tue Jul 8, 2025 12:56 pm

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Thought he'd have a better vertical...


35.5 max vert. I think this video is along the lines of "jump to where the ball is" kinda thing. 35.5 is pretty good for a guy who is 6'10. Buzelis' is unusually high for a 6'8 guy and his max vert is 38. There's lots of video out there of Noa catching lobs that are frankly pretty impressive.

Regardless, his athletic upside is not in his vertical which is strong but not elite. The upside is in the strong vertical coupled with the length and - here's the key element - his lateral quickness and north/south speed which are legitimately unique for a player his size. If you look at his lateral drills and sprint speeds from the combine he's placing in the middle of the best guards in the draft. He blew Edgecombe's doors off in the sprint, for example.


Excellent points as always -- I was picking nits. I suppose if this kid had a 40" vert he'd have gone top 5.

Still, I was kind of shocked to see how his head was nowhere near the rim -- CAN NOT WAIT to see how he looks in Summer League!!
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