2025 Offseason Thread Vol.5

[MettaWorldPanda]

Should we send out Terry and a 2nd for Vuc to be our backup 5 and get us out of the tax?

Terry and 2 for Smart the few million in cap savings has been on my mind. Then we can just resign Thomas Bryant

Swapping out Rozier for something useful has to be the priority now. Looks like the Heat have a 2027 2nd to offer up.

Yup i don’t mind giving up the 2nd if it brings back something useful and gets that mush off the team. Rozier is a quiet team cancer. He can’t return next year at all cost

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Herro doesnt have the value many think he has.

And what value is that, my fellow Wigg... I mean, Heat fan?

I'm not even sold on Herro long term and would happily dump him for an upgrade if the possibility presents itself, but the strawmans and disparagement of the guy is getting silly. I've seen people claim that people on this board think he's a top 20 player in the league, and I ask, who? What post ever said that, I'd be the first one to say he's getting overrated.

It's not that he has a group of fans who overrate him and want to build the team around him, nobody ever says this. Even the posters who defend from the hate he gets don't talk about him like a franchise cornerstone. What it really is, is a group of posters that already divorced from the idea of him on the team years ago in their heads, and can't acknowledge he played pretty well last season. Combined with one in particular who makes everything a dick measuring contest to big up his favorite player who deserves a championship because... he's his favorite player? I don't even know. And yeah I'll keep bringing it up because others do too and I have nothing better to do and its the offseason.

I'm being the devil's advocate to defend Herro, and I still think he's barely a borderline top 50 player, with a ceiling as a 2nd option on a championship contender that will have to be hidden on defense, and doesn't deserve his max unless he morphs into the next Stephen Curry next season, which I do not expect. Any Herro fans on this board want to disagree with me and tell me I'm wrong there? Or conversely, anyone think that assessment is overrating him?

[Beenie]

Powell feels like the player that they were hoping to be getting in Rozier

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Can we stop with the agenda nonsense?

Bam is our best overall player at present. He's the linchpin to our offense and defense and, while he has his own limitations, appears to be expanding his offense to better suit our needs going forward. His passiveness is what holds him back from being a perennial All-NBA player - which should be his aim going forward. He has the talent and skills to be it, which is what frustrates fans at times.

Herro is, without question, our best bucket getter and offensive player. You don't average 24/5/5 in the NBA unless you are legit. He has made huge strides with his efficiency and playmaking, but has had issues when the going gets tougher in the postseason. This is due to physical limitations and a lack of other playmakers around him to give him relief. He needs to continue to work on his body to get stronger and become a better defender and improve his deficiencies on that end of the court.

Both are massive successes for their respective draft positions at #13 and #14 overall, and crowning achievements for our player development and coaching staff.

Despite this, we're talking about the NBA. Luka Doncic just got traded. No one is untouchable and for the right deal, either of these guys are on the block. That's the reality of playing in this league.

I like your post better than mine, but I'm too antagonistic, its why I could never be a mod. And I enjoy going to war with player fans, been doing it since the Shaq days (message board culture hadn't started to peak yet in the late 90's but I wonder what player fan wars we'd have had back then, probably Mash supporters upset he didn't get more touches?).

[SA37]

Miami needs a big. As I mentioned earlier, Vuc would be a great target. Robert Williams could be available, but he is chronically injured and just had an arthroscopic procedure on his knee.

Daniel Theis is a FA and should be a cheap option. Bismack Biyombo has lots of experience and would give Miami a banger on the inside.

[MiamiLoyal926]

I mean, if we just need a body, just throw Goldin into the fire before we start to add free agent has beens.if trading Rozier for a competent backup center on an expiring, then sign me up as that fills need and also is addition by subtraction of Rozier.

[carnageta]

Miami needs a big. As I mentioned earlier, Vuc would be a great target. Robert Williams could be available, but he is chronically injured and just had an arthroscopic procedure on his knee.

Daniel Theis is a FA and should be a cheap option. Bismack Biyombo has lots of experience and would give Miami a banger on the inside.

They're getting Giannis as their 3rd big. All good.

[DayofMourning]

Beal taking that gut punch for the 2nd year in a row.

[Beenie]

Can we stop with the agenda nonsense?

Bam is our best overall player at present. He's the linchpin to our offense and defense and, while he has his own limitations, appears to be expanding his offense to better suit our needs going forward. His passiveness is what holds him back from being a perennial All-NBA player - which should be his aim going forward. He has the talent and skills to be it, which is what frustrates fans at times.

Herro is, without question, our best bucket getter and offensive player. You don't average 24/5/5 in the NBA unless you are legit. He has made huge strides with his efficiency and playmaking, but has had issues when the going gets tougher in the postseason. This is due to physical limitations and a lack of other playmakers around him to give him relief. He needs to continue to work on his body to get stronger and become a better defender and improve his deficiencies on that end of the court.

Both are massive successes for their respective draft positions at #13 and #14 overall, and crowning achievements for our player development and coaching staff.

Despite this, we're talking about the NBA. Luka Doncic just got traded. No one is untouchable and for the right deal, either of these guys are on the block. That's the reality of playing in this league.

I like your post better than mine, but I'm too antagonistic, its why I could never be a mod. And I enjoy going to war with player fans, been doing it since the Shaq days (message board culture hadn't started to peak yet in the late 90's but I wonder what player fan wars we'd have had back then, probably Mash supporters upset he didn't get more touches?).

In the early days, Seikaly was pretty polarizing.

Years later, Eddie Jones similarly created fan tension.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Herro doesnt have the value many think he has.

And what value is that, my fellow Wigg... I mean, Heat fan?

I'm not even sold on Herro long term and would happily dump him for an upgrade if the possibility presents itself, but the strawmans and disparagement of the guy is getting silly. I've seen people claim that people on this board think he's a top 20 player in the league, and I ask, who? What post ever said that, I'd be the first one to say he's getting overrated.

It's not that he has a group of fans who overrate him and want to build the team around him, nobody ever says this. Even the posters who defend from the hate he gets don't talk about him like a franchise cornerstone. What it really is, is a group of posters that already divorced from the idea of him on the team years ago in their heads, and can't acknowledge he played pretty well last season. Combined with one in particular who makes everything a dick measuring contest to big up his favorite player who deserves a championship because... he's his favorite player? I don't even know. And yeah I'll keep bringing it up because others do too and I have nothing better to do and its the offseason.

I'm being the devil's advocate to defend Herro, and I still think he's barely a borderline top 50 player, with a ceiling as a 2nd option on a championship contender that will have to be hidden on defense, and doesn't deserve his max unless he morphs into the next Stephen Curry next season, which I do not expect. Any Herro fans on this board want to disagree with me and tell me I'm wrong there? Or conversely, anyone think that assessment is overrating him?

There is more than just realgm for people to discuss basketball. I dont get the personal attacks that seem to be rampant here. But anyways...

Go on to x, Twitter, reddit, etc.. there are comments there about herro being a top 20 talent. Just because you might not believe he's a top 50 player, doesn't mean others don't think he is.

I have never said he'd a bad player, but after watching a little more game film, he's the worst type of archtype to build ones team around. Absolute worst. If the goal is to contend, which seems to be what the bulk of heat fans want, I don't understand the cult following herro has. No team has ever won with this type of player (archtype, role, salary, etc..) But people expect herro to be a trailblazer? I think the odds are on my side with this one. It kinda reminds me of when monta Ellis was traded. The front office was boooed at games. They traded their one way bucket getter for a fundamental big in Bogut.

Back to value, after the bane trade, people suggested herro had similar value. And some thought he had more.

Personally, with his impending extension and archtype, I'm not sure he'd get you more than a player and a first from a contender. And maybe not even that. Treadmills or bottom dwellers might offer more, but that kinda makes my point.

[SoFlaKingReal]

Herro doesnt have the value many think he has.

And what value is that, my fellow Wigg... I mean, Heat fan?

I'm not even sold on Herro long term and would happily dump him for an upgrade if the possibility presents itself, but the strawmans and disparagement of the guy is getting silly. I've seen people claim that people on this board think he's a top 20 player in the league, and I ask, who? What post ever said that, I'd be the first one to say he's getting overrated.

It's not that he has a group of fans who overrate him and want to build the team around him, nobody ever says this. Even the posters who defend from the hate he gets don't talk about him like a franchise cornerstone. What it really is, is a group of posters that already divorced from the idea of him on the team years ago in their heads, and can't acknowledge he played pretty well last season. Combined with one in particular who makes everything a dick measuring contest to big up his favorite player who deserves a championship because... he's his favorite player? I don't even know. And yeah I'll keep bringing it up because others do too and I have nothing better to do and its the offseason.

I'm being the devil's advocate to defend Herro, and I still think he's barely a borderline top 50 player, with a ceiling as a 2nd option on a championship contender that will have to be hidden on defense, and doesn't deserve his max unless he morphs into the next Stephen Curry next season, which I do not expect. Any Herro fans on this board want to disagree with me and tell me I'm wrong there? Or conversely, anyone think that assessment is overrating him?

There is more than just realgm for people to discuss basketball. I dont get the personal attacks that seem to be rampant here. But anyways...

Go on to x, Twitter, reddit, etc.. there are comments there about herro being a top 20 talent. Just because you might not believe he's a top 50 player, doesn't mean others don't think he is.

I have never said he'd a bad player, but after watching a little more game film, he's the worst type of archtype to build ones team around. Absolute worst. If the goal is to contend, which seems to be what the bulk of heat fans want, I don't understand the cult following herro has. No team has ever won with this type of player (archtype, role, salary, etc..) But people expect herro to be a trailblazer? I think the odds are on my side with this one. It kinda reminds me of when monta Ellis was traded. The front office was boooed at games. They traded their one way bucket getter for a fundamental big in Bogut.

Back to value, after the bane trade, people suggested herro had similar value. And some thought he had more.

Personally, with his impending extension and archtype, I'm not sure he'd get you more than a player and a first from a contender. And maybe not even that. Treadmills or bottom dwellers might offer more, but that kinda makes my point.

Ya, we did expect Herro to be a Trailblazer.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Herro doesnt have the value many think he has.

And what value is that, my fellow Wigg... I mean, Heat fan?

I'm not even sold on Herro long term and would happily dump him for an upgrade if the possibility presents itself, but the strawmans and disparagement of the guy is getting silly. I've seen people claim that people on this board think he's a top 20 player in the league, and I ask, who? What post ever said that, I'd be the first one to say he's getting overrated.

It's not that he has a group of fans who overrate him and want to build the team around him, nobody ever says this. Even the posters who defend from the hate he gets don't talk about him like a franchise cornerstone. What it really is, is a group of posters that already divorced from the idea of him on the team years ago in their heads, and can't acknowledge he played pretty well last season. Combined with one in particular who makes everything a dick measuring contest to big up his favorite player who deserves a championship because... he's his favorite player? I don't even know. And yeah I'll keep bringing it up because others do too and I have nothing better to do and its the offseason.

I'm being the devil's advocate to defend Herro, and I still think he's barely a borderline top 50 player, with a ceiling as a 2nd option on a championship contender that will have to be hidden on defense, and doesn't deserve his max unless he morphs into the next Stephen Curry next season, which I do not expect. Any Herro fans on this board want to disagree with me and tell me I'm wrong there? Or conversely, anyone think that assessment is overrating him?

There is more than just realgm for people to discuss basketball. I dont get the personal attacks that seem to be rampant here. But anyways...

Go on to x, Twitter, reddit, etc.. there are comments there about herro being a top 20 talent. Just because you might not believe he's a top 50 player, doesn't mean others don't think he is.

I have never said he'd a bad player, but after watching a little more game film, he's the worst type of archtype to build ones team around. Absolute worst. If the goal is to contend, which seems to be what the bulk of heat fans want, I don't understand the cult following herro has. No team has ever won with this type of player (archtype, role, salary, etc..) But people expect herro to be a trailblazer? I think the odds are on my side with this one. It kinda reminds me of when monta Ellis was traded. The front office was boooed at games. They traded their one way bucket getter for a fundamental big in Bogut.

Back to value, after the bane trade, people suggested herro had similar value. And some thought he had more.

Personally, with his impending extension and archtype, I'm not sure he'd get you more than a player and a first from a contender. And maybe not even that. Treadmills or bottom dwellers might offer more, but that kinda makes my point.

I'm sure he gets overrated in other places, but I only post on realgm because I avoid those other places like the plague, and prefer the discussion here. So I don't see the point in bringing their talking points over here.

The main reason I started posting here in the first place was the terrible takes on players like Kobe and AI back in the day, that's what makes realgm great, people usually back their positions with more than hype. And I can see how Herro can be a guy who gets that sort of hype without substance love, but it isn't here on this board, and I'd think most of us on here are discussing with each other, not what the average twitter or reddit fan thinks.

And yeah, I'm going to address people's biases when they accuse others of having a bias, like towards Herro or against their favorite player. It feels weird to watch your team for years, and then after one trade someone suddenly pops up and starts telling you how this or that player is flawed and needs to go, while handwaving away the massive issues their favorite player who just got dropped on your squad has, who has completely failed to fit in, is aging, is money on the books for 2026, and has a ceiling even lower than Herro's as a player in this league right now.

Also to Beenie good call on Seikaly and Eddie Jones, I loved EJ and think it was just a matter of right place, wrong time, Zo's kidney disrupted everything and if we had EJ instead of Mashburn all those years, with Timmy still good enough to be the offensive engine, I think it'd have gone way differently.

[Vertical Limit]

Herro doesnt have the value many think he has.

And what value is that, my fellow Wigg... I mean, Heat fan?

I'm not even sold on Herro long term and would happily dump him for an upgrade if the possibility presents itself, but the strawmans and disparagement of the guy is getting silly. I've seen people claim that people on this board think he's a top 20 player in the league, and I ask, who? What post ever said that, I'd be the first one to say he's getting overrated.

It's not that he has a group of fans who overrate him and want to build the team around him, nobody ever says this. Even the posters who defend from the hate he gets don't talk about him like a franchise cornerstone. What it really is, is a group of posters that already divorced from the idea of him on the team years ago in their heads, and can't acknowledge he played pretty well last season. Combined with one in particular who makes everything a dick measuring contest to big up his favorite player who deserves a championship because... he's his favorite player? I don't even know. And yeah I'll keep bringing it up because others do too and I have nothing better to do and its the offseason.

I'm being the devil's advocate to defend Herro, and I still think he's barely a borderline top 50 player, with a ceiling as a 2nd option on a championship contender that will have to be hidden on defense, and doesn't deserve his max unless he morphs into the next Stephen Curry next season, which I do not expect. Any Herro fans on this board want to disagree with me and tell me I'm wrong there? Or conversely, anyone think that assessment is overrating him?

There is more than just realgm for people to discuss basketball. I dont get the personal attacks that seem to be rampant here. But anyways...

Go on to x, Twitter, reddit, etc.. there are comments there about herro being a top 20 talent. Just because you might not believe he's a top 50 player, doesn't mean others don't think he is.

I have never said he'd a bad player, but after watching a little more game film, he's the worst type of archtype to build ones team around. Absolute worst. If the goal is to contend, which seems to be what the bulk of heat fans want, I don't understand the cult following herro has. No team has ever won with this type of player (archtype, role, salary, etc..) But people expect herro to be a trailblazer? I think the odds are on my side with this one. It kinda reminds me of when monta Ellis was traded. The front office was boooed at games. They traded their one way bucket getter for a fundamental big in Bogut.

Back to value, after the bane trade, people suggested herro had similar value. And some thought he had more.

Personally, with his impending extension and archtype, I'm not sure he'd get you more than a player and a first from a contender. And maybe not even that. Treadmills or bottom dwellers might offer more, but that kinda makes my point.

The cult following starts up top. The delusion from the top sold Herro to the cult that he is some Devin Booker, Klay thompson on steroids type of player.

In reality he is the heat version of Brian Hartline. A white hero, that you force fed the ball to, but no where near as talented as any guard in the all nba teams.

Hartline leaves the dolphins, the fans go in an uproar because we just let go of a 1000 yard receiver, tannehlls favorite target!! and he does nothing for the other team. His position on the team was, there was no other player better. So who else will Tannehill throw the ball to. And force pass attempts to.

Even though he was severely limited, always got caught from behind, couldnt separate worth a ****, low athleticism with “deceptive” speed

Ive said it during the playoffs, Herro wouldnt be a starter in 14 of the 16 playoff teams, he wouldnt even start over Josh Hart.

First season we force the ball to him and we go what 37-45.. and that came with a flukey 10 game win streak at the very end so we could have been a lot worse.. and the cavs proved we were a lot worse.. and ty jerome, darius garland both embarassed herro.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Remember just yesterday when i typed up the depth chart saying how badly we needed a vet scorer behind Herro. We certainly got what we needed. Now just need to get Rozier off this roster for Vucevic or Smart.

[marson]

Anyone who takes X (Twitter) seriously probably has a comprehension problem. RealGM used to be one of the best platforms for true basketball aficionados, but its quality has been declining ever since player fans started flooding in.

This really began during the Big 3 era, with the LeBron vs. D-Wade fan wars. After LeBron left, the board improved for a while, but starting around 2020/2021, the overall quality has been on a steady decline again.

The Big 3 era was fun though, every game thread will sometimes reach up to 100 pages, that's crazy.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

And what value is that, my fellow Wigg... I mean, Heat fan?

I'm not even sold on Herro long term and would happily dump him for an upgrade if the possibility presents itself, but the strawmans and disparagement of the guy is getting silly. I've seen people claim that people on this board think he's a top 20 player in the league, and I ask, who? What post ever said that, I'd be the first one to say he's getting overrated.

It's not that he has a group of fans who overrate him and want to build the team around him, nobody ever says this. Even the posters who defend from the hate he gets don't talk about him like a franchise cornerstone. What it really is, is a group of posters that already divorced from the idea of him on the team years ago in their heads, and can't acknowledge he played pretty well last season. Combined with one in particular who makes everything a dick measuring contest to big up his favorite player who deserves a championship because... he's his favorite player? I don't even know. And yeah I'll keep bringing it up because others do too and I have nothing better to do and its the offseason.

I'm being the devil's advocate to defend Herro, and I still think he's barely a borderline top 50 player, with a ceiling as a 2nd option on a championship contender that will have to be hidden on defense, and doesn't deserve his max unless he morphs into the next Stephen Curry next season, which I do not expect. Any Herro fans on this board want to disagree with me and tell me I'm wrong there? Or conversely, anyone think that assessment is overrating him?

There is more than just realgm for people to discuss basketball. I dont get the personal attacks that seem to be rampant here. But anyways...

Go on to x, Twitter, reddit, etc.. there are comments there about herro being a top 20 talent. Just because you might not believe he's a top 50 player, doesn't mean others don't think he is.

I have never said he'd a bad player, but after watching a little more game film, he's the worst type of archtype to build ones team around. Absolute worst. If the goal is to contend, which seems to be what the bulk of heat fans want, I don't understand the cult following herro has. No team has ever won with this type of player (archtype, role, salary, etc..) But people expect herro to be a trailblazer? I think the odds are on my side with this one. It kinda reminds me of when monta Ellis was traded. The front office was boooed at games. They traded their one way bucket getter for a fundamental big in Bogut.

Back to value, after the bane trade, people suggested herro had similar value. And some thought he had more.

Personally, with his impending extension and archtype, I'm not sure he'd get you more than a player and a first from a contender. And maybe not even that. Treadmills or bottom dwellers might offer more, but that kinda makes my point.

The cult following starts up top. The delusion from the top sold Herro to the cult that he is some Devin Booker, Klay thompson on steroids type of player.

In reality he is the heat version of Brian Hartline. A white hero, that you force fed the ball to, but no where near as talented as any guard in the all nba teams.

Hartline leaves the dolphins, the fans go in an uproar because we just let go of a 1000 yard receiver, tannehlls favorite target!! and he does nothing for the other team. His position on the team was, there was no other player better. So who else will Tannehill throw the ball to. And force pass attempts to.

Even though he was severely limited, always got caught from behind, couldnt separate worth a ****, low athleticism with “deceptive” speed

Ive said it during the playoffs, Herro wouldnt be a starter in 14 of the 16 playoff teams, he wouldnt even start over Josh Hart.

First season we force the ball to him and we go what 37-45.. and that came with a flukey 10 game win streak at the very end so we could have been a lot worse.. and the cavs proved we were a lot worse.. and ty jerome, darius garland both embarassed herro.

He’s a scorer who can’t score in the playoffs, he sucks.

Goodnight.

[Vertical Limit]

Anyone here thinks we win 37 games if you replace Herro with 2009 Dwyane Wade, when he was surrounded with absolute scrubs, none of his tito jacksons was nearly as talented as Bam, or even Wiggins. Hell duncan robinson wouldve been better than most of the 2009 roster.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[Tim_Hardawayy]

Anyone here thinks we win 37 games if you replace Herro with 2009 Dwyane Wade, when he was surrounded with absolute scrubs, none of his tito jacksons was nearly as talented as Bam, or even Wiggins. Hell duncan robinson wouldve been better than most of the 2009 roster.

Anyone here think Herro = 2009 Dwyane Wade? Or even close to any version of Wade for that matter?

I'm serious, if you want to argue strawmen from twitter or reddit, why not go to twitter and reddit and argue with them there? Who the **** are you people even arguing with? Its like because there are idiots elsewhere, the only option is to overreact here and call Herro a worthless scrub who people only like because he's white. Its possible for a more nuanced take.

[Wiltside]

Anyone here thinks we win 37 games if you replace Herro with 2009 Dwyane Wade, when he was surrounded with absolute scrubs, none of his tito jacksons was nearly as talented as Bam, or even Wiggins. Hell duncan robinson wouldve been better than most of the 2009 roster.

I mean, you're expecting Herro to be Dwyane Wade...that's your first issue here.

Wade is one of the greatest players of all-time. Herro is a nice player, but he's nowhere near that level.