Terrence Shannon Jr

[Sealab2024]

Ceiling: Richard Jefferson
Floor: Gerald Wilkins
Likely: Gerald Wallace

[babyjax13]

Ceiling: Richard Jefferson
Floor: Gerald Wilkins
Likely: Gerald Wallace

Wallace is by far the most impactful of those three players.

[Colbinii]

Ceiling: Richard Jefferson
Floor: Gerald Wilkins
Likely: Gerald Wallace

Wallace is by far the most impactful of those three players.

Yeah Gerald Wallace at his peak is easily the best here.

[lastb1ckman]

Gerald Wallace at the same age averaged 18, 5, & 2.6 in the nba. He kept up similar production the next 3 seasons, and made 1 allstar game, was all defense first team, 3rd in DPOY voting, and top 10 in most improved player voting. If Shannon peaks at this level, that's a top end result. Its probably his absolute ceiling tbh.

[Klomp]

Ceiling: Richard Jefferson
Floor: Gerald Wilkins
Likely: Gerald Wallace

Wallace is by far the most impactful of those three players.

Yeah Gerald Wallace at his peak is easily the best here.

I suppose Wallace's all-around game is why people are saying Wallace is better than Jefferson? But it's interesting putting their statistics side by side. Wallace's peak was clearly 2009-10, when he was 27. 18 points and 10 rebounds, all-defense 1st team and an all-star for the 44-win Bobcats.

But I'm not sure Wallace's peak is better than Jefferson's peak. Jefferson's peak just came much earlier. RJ averaged 22 ppg twice. He was part of a "big three" for most of his seven seasons that made two Finals appearances plus three trips to the East semifinals. The last year in those 7 seasons came when Jefferson was 27, the same as when Wallace finally had his peak year and first real playoff experience.

Maybe the consideration should be whether a prospect's ceiling is referring to the other player's peak season or sustained success?

[babyjax13]

Wallace is by far the most impactful of those three players.

Yeah Gerald Wallace at his peak is easily the best here.

I suppose Wallace's all-around game is why people are saying Wallace is better than Jefferson? But it's interesting putting their statistics side by side. Wallace's peak was clearly 2009-10, when he was 27. 18 points and 10 rebounds, all-defense 1st team and an all-star for the 44-win Bobcats.

But I'm not sure Wallace's peak is better than Jefferson's peak. Jefferson's peak just came much earlier. RJ averaged 22 ppg twice. He was part of a "big three" for most of his seven seasons that made two Finals appearances plus three trips to the East semifinals. The last year in those 7 seasons came when Jefferson was 27, the same as when Wallace finally had his peak year and first real playoff experience.

Maybe the consideration should be whether a prospect's ceiling is referring to the other player's peak season or sustained success?

Jefferson had a 4 year stretch as a +1.5 to +3.9BPM player. Excluding his last two seasons, every other season of his career was from -1.4 to +0.3.

Wallace had a 7 year stretch as a +1.0 to +4.0BPM player.

Not the end-all-be-all, but I think Wallace's prime was both better and longer than Jefferson. That said, if Minnesota drafted a player as good as either, they are going to win a championship at some point (health permitting) given what the rest of their core looks like.

[Klomp]

Yeah Gerald Wallace at his peak is easily the best here.

I suppose Wallace's all-around game is why people are saying Wallace is better than Jefferson? But it's interesting putting their statistics side by side. Wallace's peak was clearly 2009-10, when he was 27. 18 points and 10 rebounds, all-defense 1st team and an all-star for the 44-win Bobcats.

But I'm not sure Wallace's peak is better than Jefferson's peak. Jefferson's peak just came much earlier. RJ averaged 22 ppg twice. He was part of a "big three" for most of his seven seasons that made two Finals appearances plus three trips to the East semifinals. The last year in those 7 seasons came when Jefferson was 27, the same as when Wallace finally had his peak year and first real playoff experience.

Maybe the consideration should be whether a prospect's ceiling is referring to the other player's peak season or sustained success?

Jefferson had a 4 year stretch as a +1.5 to +3.9BPM player. Excluding his last two seasons, every other season of his career was from -1.4 to +0.3.

Wallace had a 7 year stretch as a +1.0 to +4.0BPM player.

Not the end-all-be-all, but I think Wallace's prime was both better and longer than Jefferson. That said, if Minnesota drafted a player as good as either, they are going to win a championship at some point (health permitting) given what the rest of their core looks like.

Interesting, good info

[Sealab2024]

Wallace is by far the most impactful of those three players.

Yeah Gerald Wallace at his peak is easily the best here.

I suppose Wallace's all-around game is why people are saying Wallace is better than Jefferson? But it's interesting putting their statistics side by side. Wallace's peak was clearly 2009-10, when he was 27. 18 points and 10 rebounds, all-defense 1st team and an all-star for the 44-win Bobcats.

But I'm not sure Wallace's peak is better than Jefferson's peak. Jefferson's peak just came much earlier. RJ averaged 22 ppg twice. He was part of a "big three" for most of his seven seasons that made two Finals appearances plus three trips to the East semifinals. The last year in those 7 seasons came when Jefferson was 27, the same as when Wallace finally had his peak year and first real playoff experience.

Maybe the consideration should be whether a prospect's ceiling is referring to the other player's peak season or sustained success?

Yeah, In general I see RJ as a better player since he had to fit into high end playoff teams while Wallace kind of languished on a lot of bad teams which probably inflated his stats, though he certainly wasn't a bad player. We can certainly have that argument but perhaps if I stated it as

Ceiling: reliable 3rd guy on a playoff team

Likely: talented scorer who can defend and if made a primary option could put up numbers but is probably best as a role player in a starting lineup.

Floor: athletic scorer who can put up some impressive but empty stats.

That would make more sense. It can be tough to pull names of small forwards with great downhill ability but average shooters out of a hat. I probably deflated Geralds value a bit while inflating RJ's.

[Klomp]

Really pleased with how well he did in Year 1, and interested to see how he looks in Vegas ahead of Year 2 beginning later this week

Watch on YouTube

[Klomp]

For the last few days, I've been thinking about the fact that Anthony Edwards, Jaden McDaniels, and TJ Shannon were in the same high school class.

Read on Twitter

“Just come and dominate. I don’t think I’m doing a good job of dominating right now, but I’mma be better.” -TJ Shannon to Michael Grady after the team's second game about his mentality coming into summer league

[Klomp]

Read on Twitter

- was a stud in college two seasons ago
- 1st round pick
- started season out of the rotation for one of the best benches in the league
- dominated in the g league when he went for a few games
- earned his way into Finch’s 8-man rotation as a rookie, even in the conference finals
- dominating summer league as one of the most physically imposing players out there

Terrence Shannon Jr. is 25 years old. But if he were 20, we’d be talking about that as the resume of a future all star. And I’m not quite sure how to square that..

[EvanZ]

Believe it or not he was 20.

[Upperclass]

He's not good. He's an energy wing without much scoring or defensive talent

[Klomp]

He's not good. He's an energy wing without much scoring or defensive talent

Oh ok

[Klomp]

What's the last player that came into the league as late as him that turned into a star? I'm just curious, he might be 1 of 1 if he did turn into something special. Of the top of my head, rookies his age are usually undrafted guys, and amongst that group one of the best in recent years is Duncan Robinson. I think he was also 24 his rookie season and he was ROUGH his first season. But the heat developed him into one of the best shooters in the entire league and he got a pretty big bag. Shannon has much more to start with, so the Timberwolves have a lot to work with here.

I absolutely understand why this opinion is commonplace, but it doesn't necessarily mean it's the right one. Players develop at different rates. And I would argue that players enter the NBA prematurely all the time.

Let's look at some of the wings from his high school class
Okoro - No. 5 in 2020
Green - No. 18 in 2020
Hampton - No. 24 in 2020

All three one and dones, so people just assume he's worse than all of them because he stayed in school longer. I'd argue he's at worst on par with all three of them as pros. And yes, I'm probably projecting because he has such a limited sample size, but you could argue that sample has popped more than anyone else here.

[Bucks4005]

For an example of a late bloomer in college, couldn’t you say Malcolm Brogdon? Clearly always had NBA talent despite coming in later in his college career and being a later pick, but still clearly showed NBA traits right away and in college, just fell more so due to his age?

[tmorgan]

Draft gurus outsmart themselves looking at age all the time. I get it, almost all truly premium prospects are showing out young, but once you get past those guys, there’s still a bias towards younger players that would have to develop pretty well to be where a guy three years older already is!

If you think about the current economic environment in the NBA, this gets even more foolish. All of the teams flirting with the aprons while trying to contend need serviceable, cheap minutes from their bench. The odds of getting that from a 22-year-old on a rookie deal seem significantly higher than a project 19-year-old with a supposedly higher ceiling.