Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[Onus]

JK's camp has been trying to strong-arm the Warriors into a S&T deal that nets JK well over $25M/yr. I don't see that happening, if the rumored "offers" to the Warriors are true.

So, unless MDJ can produce a miracle, JK's last savior is Lacob. Nobody want the QO to be signed, but I think there are still fair odds of that happening.

I really don't see the qo as a reasonable solution for JK. 3/45 vs 1/8 then maybe another prove it deal on the mle 2/28 so 3/36 vs 3/45 and ask for the 2+1 with a player option. Just doesn't make any financial sense for him. He's already **** off 5/150 will he really be willing to throw away another potential 9M?

If he really wants to bet on himself, he should go for a short 3-year contract for as much as he can get (just in case of injury or quite possibly never getting a big contract). I would think GS has a contract it feels ok giving him that he probably won't like but the possible only other option would be to take the QO and hope GS trades him somewhere he wants to go so they can have his Bird rights.

No bird rights if he’s on a qo. It really is a terrible option for him.

[Crazy-Canuck]

I think kuminga and his team are delusional enough to take that qo and becoming an unrestricted fa next offseason.

[Old_Blue]

I think kuminga and his team are delusional enough to take that qo and becoming an unrestricted fa next offseason.

There's a whole $hitload of delusional going on in Kuminga's camp. For me, what is most galling about his behavior is this...Kuminga was born in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. He lived there until he was 13. The country has an average annual income of $449 and is routinely ranked among the five poorest countries on Earth. How in the f@ck was a five year offer that was reported to have ranged between $125 and $150 million not enough money for Kuminga? Seriously, WTF is going on there?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_the_Democratic_Republic_of_the_Congo

[Mambomuziki]

The way I see it is JK doesn't want to play for the GSW. The FO are trying to get S&T value for him where it doesn't exist. Although he says he wants $30m the money on the table is $18-25m specifically from the Kings. The New CBA is just messy especially for RFA. I also think a number has been agreed for him to come back and both sides have a deadline to act if nothing better comes up.

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[statsman]

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[Old_Blue]

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Now you're talking. I love everything about this kid's game. A straight swap of Kuminga for Clayton? Yes please.

[Crazy-Canuck]

I think kuminga and his team are delusional enough to take that qo and becoming an unrestricted fa next offseason.

There's a whole $hitload of delusional going on in Kuminga's camp. For me, what is most galling about his behavior is this...Kuminga was born in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. He lived there until he was 13. The country has an average annual income of $449 and is routinely ranked among the five poorest countries on Earth. How in the f@ck was a five year offer that was reported to have ranged between $125 and $150 million not enough money for Kuminga? Seriously, WTF is going on there?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_the_Democratic_Republic_of_the_Congo

I tend to agree, I think he's got a bad circle. The are telling him to be a kobe.

There were rumors early on about his attitude in summer league that he was to good to play.

He was expected to use the last off season to work on shooting and his handles, yet his team just kept pumping out work out videos of him being Kobe.

Now this whole contract issue.

Jk seems like a good kid, but the people whispering in his ear are probably orchestrating Nigerian prince scams in the off season.

[statsman]

Now you're talking. I love everything about this kid's game. A straight swap of Kuminga for Clayton? Yes please.

Why would the Jazz do that? I'm guessing the Jazz would want one or two future 1sts from the Warriors. Kuminga for Clayton/KLove so the Jazz can move salary.

[Old_Blue]

Now you're talking. I love everything about this kid's game. A straight swap of Kuminga for Clayton? Yes please.

Why would the Jazz do that? I'm guessing the Jazz would want one or two future 1sts from the Warriors. Kuminga for Clayton/KLove so the Jazz can move salary.

I'd part with the 2026 first rounder for Clayton. That said, doing so would probably screw up the Dubs' chances of trading for Giannis later on in the season.

[statsman]

Now you're talking. I love everything about this kid's game. A straight swap of Kuminga for Clayton? Yes please.

Why would the Jazz do that? I'm guessing the Jazz would want one or two future 1sts from the Warriors. Kuminga for Clayton/KLove so the Jazz can move salary.

I'd part with the 2026 first rounder for Clayton. That said, doing so would probably screw up the Dubs' chances of trading for Giannis later on in the season.

Well, if they aren't retaining Kuminga (traded to the Jazz, hypothetically), they likely won't have the salary they need to acquire Giannis.

[Old_Blue]

Why would the Jazz do that? I'm guessing the Jazz would want one or two future 1sts from the Warriors. Kuminga for Clayton/KLove so the Jazz can move salary.

I'd part with the 2026 first rounder for Clayton. That said, doing so would probably screw up the Dubs' chances of trading for Giannis later on in the season.

Well, if they aren't retaining Kuminga (traded to the Jazz, hypothetically), they likely won't have the salary they need to acquire Giannis.

Why wouldn't the Dubs be able to trade Butler for Giannis?

[vvoland]

Trading a future first and jk for Clayton? Jesus H. Christ. Why?!?! I understand everyone has their draft crush but giving up assets for a rookie that, in a normal situation, wouldn't really contribute to winning and here would need to beat out podz, moody, and buddy to see minutes.

Not only that but we're trading one of few only big and athletic players for another undersized guard. Why?!?!?!

And we wanted to trade up into the 1st so badly that we had to use jk and just couldn't figure out a way to move a future pick + 41 to do it?

[whatisacenter]

This thread is hilarious!

[Old_Blue]

Trading a future first and jk for Clayton? Jesus H. Christ. Why?!?! I understand everyone has their draft crush but giving up assets for a rookie that, in a normal situation, wouldn't really contribute to winning and here would need to beat out podz, moody, and buddy to see minutes.

Not only that but we're trading one of few only big and athletic players for another undersized guard. Why?!?!?!

Normally, I would agree with you. When I see Clayton though, I see a guy who could pick up the torch once Curry calls it quits. With all due respect to Podz, he's not that guy. Neither is Moody. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Clayton turns out to be Reed effing Sheppard. But, I don't think so.

[CS707]

I think kuminga and his team are delusional enough to take that qo and becoming an unrestricted fa next offseason.

There's a whole $hitload of delusional going on in Kuminga's camp. For me, what is most galling about his behavior is this...Kuminga was born in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. He lived there until he was 13. The country has an average annual income of $449 and is routinely ranked among the five poorest countries on Earth. How in the f@ck was a five year offer that was reported to have ranged between $125 and $150 million not enough money for Kuminga? Seriously, WTF is going on there?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_the_Democratic_Republic_of_the_Congo

I tend to agree, I think he's got a bad circle. The are telling him to be a kobe.

There were rumors early on about his attitude in summer league that he was to good to play.

He was expected to use the last off season to work on shooting and his handles, yet his team just kept pumping out work out videos of him being Kobe.

Now this whole contract issue.

Jk seems like a good kid, but the people whispering in his ear are probably orchestrating Nigerian prince scams in the off season.

His agent seems like a nobody. JK is his biggest client as far as I can tell. It’s his payday as much as Kuminga’s.

[vvoland]

Trading a future first and jk for Clayton? Jesus H. Christ. Why?!?! I understand everyone has their draft crush but giving up assets for a rookie that, in a normal situation, wouldn't really contribute to winning and here would need to beat out podz, moody, and buddy to see minutes.

Not only that but we're trading one of few only big and athletic players for another undersized guard. Why?!?!?!

Normally, I would agree with you. When I see Clayton though, I see a guy who could pick up the torch once Curry calls it quits. With all due respect to Podz, he's not that guy. Neither is Moody. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Clayton turns out to be Reed effing Sheppard. But, I don't think so.

Reed effing Sheppard might be more ready to contribute this season than Clayton. Like I said, we all have our draft crushes but for a team trying to maximize their chances to win, there's no argument that a player entering his 5th season, in this system, will contribute more than a small rookie guard.

JK AND a pick? The dude does NOT abide.

Pretty sure podz would have been enough on draft night (not that I would have done that for the same reason I wouldn't trade JK for a pick). Or the 1-20 in 2030. Or even the unprotected next season + 41. I doubt we wanted the pick all that much considering we didn't dangle any of that.

[Old_Blue]

His agent seems like a nobody. JK is his biggest client as far as I can tell. It’s his payday as much as Kuminga’s.

My understanding is that NBA agent fees are capped at 4%. 4% of a $125 million contract would have been $5 million. The "agent" sounds like he's every bit the knucklehead that Kuminga is proving to be.

[CS707]

His agent seems like a nobody. JK is his biggest client as far as I can tell. It’s his payday as much as Kuminga’s.

My understanding is that NBA agent fees are capped at 4%. 4% of a $125 million contract would have been $5 million. The "agent" sounds like he's every bit the knucklehead that Kuminga is proving to be.

The commission could be secondary to the prestige of a huge contract that puts him on the map as a big time agent. I’m just speculating as to where the bad career advice would be coming from though. You hear a lot about his “camp” but it’s a little unclear who that is. Usually there is a family member but as far as I can tell his parents aren’t involved and his older brother seems pretty busy with his own career. He’s got a couple of younger brothers that are prep players though so somebody has to be managing it all.

[vvoland]

His agent seems like a nobody. JK is his biggest client as far as I can tell. It’s his payday as much as Kuminga’s.

My understanding is that NBA agent fees are capped at 4%. 4% of a $125 million contract would have been $5 million. The "agent" sounds like he's every bit the knucklehead that Kuminga is proving to be.

The only knucklehead behavior we've seen from JK is the contract he didn't sign last summer. When his team spoke out after he was, again, getting benched in December as the team was struggling, could be called the other thing we've seen. 2 things in 4 years.

Let's call him a one dimensional player, a bad passer, terrible off ball. Sure. Let's stay away from making assumptions about his motivation, financial situation, etc. if we get reporting that he is a knucklehead, missing flights, practices, etc, I'll be the first to call it out. This just reeks of boredom.