Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[CS707]

His agent seems like a nobody. JK is his biggest client as far as I can tell. It’s his payday as much as Kuminga’s.

My understanding is that NBA agent fees are capped at 4%. 4% of a $125 million contract would have been $5 million. The "agent" sounds like he's every bit the knucklehead that Kuminga is proving to be.

The only knucklehead behavior we've seen from JK is the contract he didn't sign last summer. When his team spoke out after he was, again, getting benched in December as the team was struggling, could be called the other thing we've seen. 2 things in 4 years.

Let's call him a one dimensional player, a bad passer, terrible off ball. Sure. Let's stay away from making assumptions about his motivation, financial situation, etc. if we get reporting that he is a knucklehead, missing flights, practices, etc, I'll be the first to call it out. This just reeks of boredom.

He went to the media about not being happy with his usage. Both Kerr and Steph spoke about it.

[Old_Blue]

JK AND a pick? The dude does NOT abide.

The market for Kuminga doesn't seem to agree with you. I don't know what's going on, but the guy is sliding faster and harder than Shedeur Sanders on draft day. At this point, it seems highly unlikely that Kuminga can be the main piece in any trade the Dubs make to acquire any talent.

[vvoland]

My understanding is that NBA agent fees are capped at 4%. 4% of a $125 million contract would have been $5 million. The "agent" sounds like he's every bit the knucklehead that Kuminga is proving to be.

The only knucklehead behavior we've seen from JK is the contract he didn't sign last summer. When his team spoke out after he was, again, getting benched in December as the team was struggling, could be called the other thing we've seen. 2 things in 4 years.

Let's call him a one dimensional player, a bad passer, terrible off ball. Sure. Let's stay away from making assumptions about his motivation, financial situation, etc. if we get reporting that he is a knucklehead, missing flights, practices, etc, I'll be the first to call it out. This just reeks of boredom.

He went to the media about not being happy with his usage. Both Kerr and Steph spoke about it.

That's the first thing I mentioned. He grumbled once in 4 years while being yo-yoed in favor of people like Anthony Lamb. Not exactly spreewell

[vvoland]

JK AND a pick? The dude does NOT abide.

The market for Kuminga doesn't seem to agree with you. I don't know what's going on, but the guy is sliding faster and harder than Shedeur Sanders on draft day. At this point, it seems highly unlikely that Kuminga can be the main piece in any trade the Dubs make to acquire any talent.

That's fine. Happy to pay JK Duncan Robinson money.

[azwfan]

The only knucklehead behavior we've seen from JK is the contract he didn't sign last summer. When his team spoke out after he was, again, getting benched in December as the team was struggling, could be called the other thing we've seen. 2 things in 4 years.

Let's call him a one dimensional player, a bad passer, terrible off ball. Sure. Let's stay away from making assumptions about his motivation, financial situation, etc. if we get reporting that he is a knucklehead, missing flights, practices, etc, I'll be the first to call it out. This just reeks of boredom.

He went to the media about not being happy with his usage. Both Kerr and Steph spoke about it.

That's the first thing I mentioned. He grumbled once in 4 years while being yo-yoed in favor of people like Anthony Lamb. Not exactly spreewell

Wait, thats the bad stuff he said? LOL.

[CS707]

The only knucklehead behavior we've seen from JK is the contract he didn't sign last summer. When his team spoke out after he was, again, getting benched in December as the team was struggling, could be called the other thing we've seen. 2 things in 4 years.

Let's call him a one dimensional player, a bad passer, terrible off ball. Sure. Let's stay away from making assumptions about his motivation, financial situation, etc. if we get reporting that he is a knucklehead, missing flights, practices, etc, I'll be the first to call it out. This just reeks of boredom.

He went to the media about not being happy with his usage. Both Kerr and Steph spoke about it.

That's the first thing I mentioned. He grumbled once in 4 years while being yo-yoed in favor of people like Anthony Lamb. Not exactly spreewell

Spending 4 years pushing back on what he’s being asked to do is fairly knuckle-headed. Hence the situation he’s in now.

[ChuckDurn]

I’m seeing a couple of speculations of Utah maybe being in play for Kuminga…..

They opened up a big trade exception in trading John Collins to the Clippers and only taking back relatively small salaries from Miami in the 3-way deal. I’m not sure, they may have all of Collins’ salary (over $26M) available to take Kuminga in via a sign-and-trade.

Utah also drafted Walter Clayton Jr., who there are strong rumors that the Warriors wanted to try to trade into the first round to get. Not sure if it would require 2 separate deals, or be consummated in one, but it’s not crazy to think of a total deal of Kuminga for Clayton Jr. + one of Utah’s 2027 first-round picks. (Utah has at least 2, and probably the Lakers’ as well…… can probably structure it in a way that the pick that would convey would be somewhere in the 11-20 range.)

Somebody would have to confirm - if the structure of the deal meant that we actually had to take Clayton in to Kyle Anderson’s trade exception, what does that limit us to (which apron)? How much money would we have to fill out the roster?

But on its face, that would meet the apparent goal of a promising young player and a first-round draft pick. And potentially more salary flexibility.

Thoughts?

[Schmooftie]

I believe they traded in Anderson and Love into their two exceptions instead of into any cap space. However now I think they are now about $10M or so under the first apron - so while they have the trade exception I don't think they can do the Kuminga for the salary he is likely seeking as it will put them over the first apron.

[Crazy-Canuck]

I’m seeing a couple of speculations of Utah maybe being in play for Kuminga…..

They opened up a big trade exception in trading John Collins to the Clippers and only taking back relatively small salaries from Miami in the 3-way deal. I’m not sure, they may have all of Collins’ salary (over $26M) available to take Kuminga in via a sign-and-trade.

Utah also drafted Walter Clayton Jr., who there are strong rumors that the Warriors wanted to try to trade into the first round to get. Not sure if it would require 2 separate deals, or be consummated in one, but it’s not crazy to think of a total deal of Kuminga for Clayton Jr. + one of Utah’s 2027 first-round picks. (Utah has at least 2, and probably the Lakers’ as well…… can probably structure it in a way that the pick that would convey would be somewhere in the 11-20 range.)

Somebody would have to confirm - if the structure of the deal meant that we actually had to take Clayton in to Kyle Anderson’s trade exception, what does that limit us to (which apron)? How much money would we have to fill out the roster?

But on its face, that would meet the apparent goal of a promising young player and a first-round draft pick. And potentially more salary flexibility.

Thoughts?

With the kings out, the Jazz would be bidding against themselves. No reason for them to pay that much considering the highest reported bid was the kings offer.

[EvanZ]

In a lot of ways he reminds me of another Jonathan.

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[Crazy-Canuck]

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This wreaks of Miami at the trade deadline. Wiggs or powell. Miami has been linked to every 1 way scorer on the market.

[statsman]

Ugh. While better than taking back pure garbage in a S&T, this still reeks. Having to retain a very low BBIQ player on $20+M/yr deal, even on a short contract, truly sucks.

[thunderdunk]

What if JK is included in a package for both Clayton and Kessler? Any thoughts on a deal that might be attractive to the Jazz?

[Onus]

What if JK is included in a package for both Clayton and Kessler? Any thoughts on a deal that might be attractive to the Jazz?

Yea like 3 1sts. 2 for Kessler which has been the asking price for years and another for Clayton which they just used 1 and traded up for.

[statsman]

What if JK is included in a package for both Clayton and Kessler? Any thoughts on a deal that might be attractive to the Jazz?

Yea like 3 1sts. 2 for Kessler which has been the asking price for years and another for Clayton which they just used 1 and traded up for.

Even if a JK S&T were to happen with the Jazz, no chance the Warriors would get both players without a lot of draft capital, as you mentioned. Maybe a Clayton/KLove deal would be more palatable to the Jazz. Not sure about picks for that.

[Onus]

What if JK is included in a package for both Clayton and Kessler? Any thoughts on a deal that might be attractive to the Jazz?

Yea like 3 1sts. 2 for Kessler which has been the asking price for years and another for Clayton which they just used 1 and traded up for.

Even if a JK S&T were to happen with the Jazz, no chance the Warriors would get both players without a lot of draft capital, as you mentioned. Maybe a Clayton/KLove deal would be more palatable to the Jazz. Not sure about picks for that.

Yea this is not happening. The jazz didn't trade up in the draft for Clayton to trade him for JK. That would be some 4d chess if they actually valued JK, which from the Lauri negotiations they don't. They traded up for Clayton from 21st to 18th so that they could select him since the rumor was that we had a trade lined up for 19.

[statsman]

Yea this is not happening. The jazz didn't trade up in the draft for Clayton to trade him for JK. That would be some 4d chess if they actually valued JK, which from the Lauri negations they don't. They traded up for Clayton from 21st to 18th so that they could select him since the rumor was that we had a trade lined up for 19.

Then the Warriors are screwed.

Time to bring up the appropriate images for beating a dead horse and broken records ...

[vvoland]

Yea this is not happening. The jazz didn't trade up in the draft for Clayton to trade him for JK. That would be some 4d chess if they actually valued JK, which from the Lauri negations they don't. They traded up for Clayton from 21st to 18th so that they could select him since the rumor was that we had a trade lined up for 19.

Then the Warriors are screwed.

Time to bring up the appropriate images for beating a dead horse and broken records ...

Because we aren't trading a 5th year forward for an undersized rookie guard?

This is so weird. We have a 1-2 year window and people want to trade an actual nba player, albeit a flawed one, for a rookie guard that's too small to play the 2 and would need to beat out podz for real minutes? This is coming from people that shat all over the idea of drafting young players 4 and 5 YEARS ago because it wasn't accelerating winning around steph. What in the actual fuukk?

[azwfan]

Ugh. While better than taking back pure garbage in a S&T, this still reeks. Having to retain a very low BBIQ player on $20+M/yr deal, even on a short contract, truly sucks.

Is $20m+ quoted somewhere or is that just what you guessing the number will be at (i am guessing the same fwiw).

MDJr should have a much better gauge on JK’s trade value around the league at a given price tag than any of us. Im bummed though that this would cement GSW out of Beal as an option, or even though it was a long shot to begin with. Was looking forward to catching to 4 or 5 games he would be healthy.

I would be cautiously optimistic that MDJr is confident he can get better than Sac trash plus 2x 2nds mid season - or else theres no other reason to do this.

[statsman]

Thousands upon thousands of words will not convinced me that Kuminga has a clue what he's doing on a basketball court. So much energy being spent on someone with no on-court vision and no ability to understand the full game. He's looking to the highlight reels, and that's it.

He can't be off the Warriors fast enough for my liking.

Have the last word. I am tired talking about this prima donna.