2025 Offseason Thread Vol.5

[Wiltside]

I do think Herro, and Bam for that matter, can be part of a Championship team as the 2nd or 3rd best players.

But we need a true 1A for that to be the case. Gets Herro off ball more where his elite shot making can do the talking, without as much pressure as an ISO scorer/creator. Gets Bam into a role he loves, which is do it all without the pressure of needing to carry the offensive load.

Not sure who that player is, but we need to find them.

[CWebb2491]

Trade Terry and 2nd rounder for Vucevic from Bulls

Gives the Heat more cap room, keeps us with MAX cap space for 2026

Sign Dame to rehab, we have a competitive roster who we can keep if we decide to or have max cap space and more picks to trade.


Ware Vucevic
Bam Jovic KJ
Wiggins JJJ Highsmith Fontechio
Herro Powell Larson
Mitchell Kaspaaras (Smith 2 way) Dame

I like this roster if we can pull it off.

Vuc Jovic, Powell off the bench would be major fire power.

Let’s see how far Larson progressed as well as JJJ. If they play better than expected (2 more assets)

[RexBoyWonder]

So I'm conflicted on this move -

In terms of value - It's obviously a home run. Awesome value - we got a very good scorer (might be a little overated ATM but he's still very good) for 2 players we had no use for. So on paper a great move.

In terms of fit - Very strange fit, Neither Powel or Herro can play PG or SF. So not sure how much they play together, but not playing them together really limits the effectiveness of the move

in terms of organizational direction - Not sure what the hell we're doing. Adding an expiring 32YO to a very young team in order to get a little better in regular season - but not good enough to win a playoff series. The type of move you tend to live to regret 2 years down the line when you notice you wasted 2 years as a fringe playoff team and have no draft capital or assets to show for it.

[Daffy]

Can we stop with the agenda nonsense?

Bam is our best overall player at present. He's the linchpin to our offense and defense and, while he has his own limitations, appears to be expanding his offense to better suit our needs going forward. His passiveness is what holds him back from being a perennial All-NBA player - which should be his aim going forward. He has the talent and skills to be it, which is what frustrates fans at times.

Herro is, without question, our best bucket getter and offensive player. You don't average 24/5/5 in the NBA unless you are legit. He has made huge strides with his efficiency and playmaking, but has had issues when the going gets tougher in the postseason. This is due to physical limitations and a lack of other playmakers around him to give him relief. He needs to continue to work on his body to get stronger and become a better defender and improve his deficiencies on that end of the court.

Both are massive successes for their respective draft positions at #13 and #14 overall, and crowning achievements for our player development and coaching staff.

Despite this, we're talking about the NBA. Luka Doncic just got traded. No one is untouchable and for the right deal, either of these guys are on the block. That's the reality of playing in this league.

I'm glad you said this. This constant discourse of trade Herro, trade Herro, trade Herro every time you open this forum is honestly getting tiresome and killing/overtaking any discourse in these threads. Its literally the same **** everyday. Rent free. If you defend Herro you're a fan boy and stan and automatically means don't like Bam. Then there's the other side who wants to trade Bam because he isnt elite at offense.

Food for thought. If the the fans on this forum who wants Herro traded can see how "bad" he is especially with a looming extension, then why the **** would another team accept him in a package for their best players? You can't have it both ways.

We got a 32 year old Norman Powell who the clippers tried to move for positive value and teams said no and now fans here are saying trade Herro because Powell is the replacement.

For all his flaws he can be a piece on a contending team with the right star. He's an offensive weapon. Hes not a number 1. Put a true #1 in front him and he takes another leap. If the right package comes along for trading him you make that move, but literally begging to trade him every minute for anyone with legs and arms just seems low IQ. I'll never forget the proposed package from fans on this same forum saying to trade Herro for Royce O'Neal and Spencer Dinwidie 2 years ago.

Bam on the other hand is an elite defender with a growing offensive game. Bam also isnt a #1 on offense and will never be. He may never be a consistent #2 either. Put the right offensive pieces around Bam and it makes his job easier and allows him to Flourish as a 2b or a 3 while continuing to play elite defense and bring some playmaking.

[Daffy]

We were under the tax already and Wiggins is a decent player that fills a position of need and can fill it well if given the proper chance and role… with that said, Heat brass really going all in on wiping the books for next summer. Seems awfully obsessive to have all this cap space next summer when there are no major free agents… why!? If we do move Wiggins for more expiring contracts… my nose will begin tingling as something smells awfully reminiscent of 2009 heading into 2010.

I really think they know something about next free agency already.

[Daffy]

I do think Herro, and Bam for that matter, can be part of a Championship team as the 2nd or 3rd best players.

But we need a true 1A for that to be the case. Gets Herro off ball more where his elite shot making can do the talking, without as much pressure as an ISO scorer/creator. Gets Bam into a role he loves, which is do it all without the pressure of needing to carry the offensive load.

Not sure who that player is, but we need to find them.

And Luka was his Name-O!!!!

[Wiltside]

I do think Herro, and Bam for that matter, can be part of a Championship team as the 2nd or 3rd best players.

But we need a true 1A for that to be the case. Gets Herro off ball more where his elite shot making can do the talking, without as much pressure as an ISO scorer/creator. Gets Bam into a role he loves, which is do it all without the pressure of needing to carry the offensive load.

Not sure who that player is, but we need to find them.

And Luka was his Name-O!!!!

Gogi gotta get in the Front Office and be part of the pitch if Luka hits Free Agency. It’s a must.

[heater4life]

So I'm conflicted on this move -

In terms of value - It's obviously a home run. Awesome value - we got a very good scorer (might be a little overated ATM but he's still very good) for 2 players we had no use for. So on paper a great move.

In terms of fit - Very strange fit, Neither Powel or Herro can play PG or SF. So not sure how much they play together, but not playing them together really limits the effectiveness of the move

in terms of organizational direction - Not sure what the hell we're doing. Adding an expiring 32YO to a very young team in order to get a little better in regular season - but not good enough to win a playoff series. The type of move you tend to live to regret 2 years down the line when you notice you wasted 2 years as a fringe playoff team and have no draft capital or assets to show for it.

I don’t think the fit is odd at all. This team seriously lacks consistent scoring. Herro is the only player that can generate is own offense. Bam gets his, but isn’t a bucket getter. Powell gives us the offense we’re lacking, is on an expiring deal, and was exchange for essentially non contributors.

This also keeps pressure off of Wiggins and the young guys from trying to do more than they have to. Great fit imo.

[VaDe255]

Spoiler:

There is more than just realgm for people to discuss basketball. I dont get the personal attacks that seem to be rampant here. But anyways...

Go on to x, Twitter, reddit, etc.. there are comments there about herro being a top 20 talent. Just because you might not believe he's a top 50 player, doesn't mean others don't think he is.

I have never said he'd a bad player, but after watching a little more game film, he's the worst type of archtype to build ones team around. Absolute worst. If the goal is to contend, which seems to be what the bulk of heat fans want, I don't understand the cult following herro has. No team has ever won with this type of player (archtype, role, salary, etc..) But people expect herro to be a trailblazer? I think the odds are on my side with this one. It kinda reminds me of when monta Ellis was traded. The front office was boooed at games. They traded their one way bucket getter for a fundamental big in Bogut.

Back to value, after the bane trade, people suggested herro had similar value. And some thought he had more.

Personally, with his impending extension and archtype, I'm not sure he'd get you more than a player and a first from a contender. And maybe not even that. Treadmills or bottom dwellers might offer more, but that kinda makes my point.

I’ve been combing NBA depth charts relentlessly and i just don’t see a Tyler Herro trade they makes sense for us or the other team without selling really low. He’s worth more here right now. Maybe swapping out for Vassell and pick? Like you mentioned the team that also trades for him has to really like him with extension looming. Just too many factors working against a deal. We are kinda just stuck with him hoping he continues to get better because he’s too good just to let go for a low ball offer. We can win with Herro under the right build.

The only reason I advocate for trading Herro is because I think Miami would be wise to get ahead of what could become an acrimonious standoff with regards to his extension. Miami's FO obv has a much better feel for where things stand with Herro and what they'd be comfortable giving him v what Herro's camp thinks he's worth. Even if Herro doesn't demand the max, I don't see him taking less than $40M/season, and I just don't think he's worth anywhere near that kind of money.

But I agree there just isn't an obvious deal that makes sense.

I don’t know why I still keep reading stuff like this. His max is 26% this is not the 30% max or the 35% supermax.

If the top 15–20 guys get the supermax (15 guys make All-NBA every year) and almost all players in the 20–50 range are on a 26–30% max, then it’s completely normal for a guy like Herro who is well within the top 50 and still has upside to get the 26% max.

TLDR:
i) Herro will ask for the max. He’s a 25y old All Star and from his perspective, there’s no reason to ask for less.
ii) The Heat are going to give him the max with no questions

The Heat have no incentive to haggle over 3–6% of the cap with one of their best players, lowballing him would likely damage the relationship and trade value for minimal benefit.

I don’t understand how this is even a debate.

The only way Herro doesn’t sign the max with the Heat is if they are out on him (they’re not), or he declines it to chase the supermax later.

[3ballbomber]

There is more than just realgm for people to discuss basketball. I dont get the personal attacks that seem to be rampant here. But anyways...

Go on to x, Twitter, reddit, etc.. there are comments there about herro being a top 20 talent. Just because you might not believe he's a top 50 player, doesn't mean others don't think he is.

I have never said he'd a bad player, but after watching a little more game film, he's the worst type of archtype to build ones team around. Absolute worst. If the goal is to contend, which seems to be what the bulk of heat fans want, I don't understand the cult following herro has. No team has ever won with this type of player (archtype, role, salary, etc..) But people expect herro to be a trailblazer? I think the odds are on my side with this one. It kinda reminds me of when monta Ellis was traded. The front office was boooed at games. They traded their one way bucket getter for a fundamental big in Bogut.

Back to value, after the bane trade, people suggested herro had similar value. And some thought he had more.

Personally, with his impending extension and archtype, I'm not sure he'd get you more than a player and a first from a contender. And maybe not even that. Treadmills or bottom dwellers might offer more, but that kinda makes my point.

I’ve been combing NBA depth charts relentlessly and i just don’t see a Tyler Herro trade they makes sense for us or the other team without selling really low. He’s worth more here right now. Maybe swapping out for Vassell and pick? Like you mentioned the team that also trades for him has to really like him with extension looming. Just too many factors working against a deal. We are kinda just stuck with him hoping he continues to get better because he’s too good just to let go for a low ball offer. We can win with Herro under the right build.

Yeah, we're stuck with Herro for now, but I'd be open to trading him if the price is right, but at the moment, there aren’t any viable targets available.

I still think he has one more leap in him. He really needs to study Steph Curry’s defensive game, I've been banging the drum for years, he needs to improve his defensive IQ.

Heat fan first before any player. If we can improve significantly to be legit future contender im all for trading Herro. The fact we drafted him, developed him, took leaps under us, survived through all trades, put his head down anyway & become an all-star & 3pt champ you don’t just let a player like that go, especially for just mere low assets just because you don’t want to pay him what he’ll demand. That’s not the way we work.

I agree & I’ve stated it already i believe another leap is coming. I just hope part of the level up is defensive improvements.

[Beenie]

I do think Herro, and Bam for that matter, can be part of a Championship team as the 2nd or 3rd best players.

But we need a true 1A for that to be the case. Gets Herro off ball more where his elite shot making can do the talking, without as much pressure as an ISO scorer/creator. Gets Bam into a role he loves, which is do it all without the pressure of needing to carry the offensive load.

Not sure who that player is, but we need to find them.

Had Mia gotten Dame, Mitchell, Kyrie, etc etc etc over the years, the pecking order would have Bam as the team’s #3

Everyone was excited for these type of scenarios because we all know when we are being honest and not pushing an agenda that logically the ordering of Bam as the #3 gives Mia their best chance at winning a title with him on their roster

[dolphinatik]

Love the pickup. Powell is solid. I hope we doing try to play him with Herro though. We need another Center
Davion/Terry
Herro/Powell
Jovic/Wiggins
Bam/Highsmith
Ware/Goldin

Subs: JJJ, Larsson, Keshad

Second team has bad fits and Goldin is questionable. Need a second team upgrade at the 4 and 5 and 1 unless Terry can break out of his slump. Heat might be his best chance at another payday if he is smart about it. We are overloaded at the 2 and 3. Need another 2 for 1 trade this offseason.

[3ballbomber]

Anyone who takes X (Twitter) seriously probably has a comprehension problem. RealGM used to be one of the best platforms for true basketball aficionados, but its quality has been declining ever since player fans started flooding in.

This really began during the Big 3 era, with the LeBron vs. D-Wade fan wars. After LeBron left, the board improved for a while, but starting around 2020/2021, the overall quality has been on a steady decline again.

The Big 3 era was fun though, every game thread will sometimes reach up to 100 pages, that's crazy.

Word man. I LOVED D-Wade. As you know named my son after him but never went around glazing him, defending him/defensive over him, posting about him incessantly, relentlessly like a love struck girl. It’s classless sh*t & wouldn’t want to inflict that to posters daily. I’m a Heat fan & that comes first over everything else. Fake fans/fanboys will continue to get checked.

[3ballbomber]

Speaking of Wade. Imagine having a 3rd/4th yr Wade w/ this iteration of the team We’re heading to the finals! He is the exact player we currently need.

[SA37]

I think the Heat will have a younger, more energetic vibe next season, and overall they'll be a better version of last year's team.

I'm predicting a 5th or 6th seed finish.

-No more locker room drama, that underrated issue really affected last season.
-Norman Powell is now our oldest player at 32, and he's still a bucket. Could even start at SG.
-Bam finally gets a full offseason to rest and build chemistry with Ware.
-Year 2 of Bam at PF and Herro full-time PG running the show. Expect Spo to add more stuff to the playbook.

And that’s with Wiggins and Rozier already on the roster, we still have room to make moves, get younger and improve.

Herro at the PG spot could work if we had more of a point forward type. Similar to the dynamic we had with Butler. Maybe JJJ is able to grow into that role but a ball handling wing who can create and dish would seem to be the optimal archtype with two shooting guards in the backcourt with Herro as the quasi point guard. When Simon looked over to Spo and said you finally got your PG when we drafted KJ gets me to thinking these guys are not 100 sold with Herro in the PG role but playing him there out of necessity.

Can't green font the photo, so...

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[SA37]

I know some think adding someone like Marcus Smart is useless but to me adding a burly ball handler like him who can play defense next to Herro could work wonders for the lineup structure. When Dru Smith was going on that run you could see the structure of a good backcourt forming cause Dru was playing savage defense in the backcourt shadowing Herro. Powell doesn’t seem to be a true defensive guy either but he’s also a much needed bucket. Get Smart and have Mitchell off the bench to shadow those guys while KJ is brought along slowly. Maybe even Dru Smith becomes a nice surprise in a pinch allowing us to rest Smart throughout the year.

I'm on board with acquiring Smart, but I'm not sure the Wiz are looking to move him. The big question with Smart is how much he has left in the tank after 2 injury-riddled seasons. The other bad thing is Smart is a pretty inconsistent shooter and not much of a playmaker. I expect Miami will pursue him when he becomes a FA, though.

[SA37]

I do think Herro, and Bam for that matter, can be part of a Championship team as the 2nd or 3rd best players.

But we need a true 1A for that to be the case. Gets Herro off ball more where his elite shot making can do the talking, without as much pressure as an ISO scorer/creator. Gets Bam into a role he loves, which is do it all without the pressure of needing to carry the offensive load.

Not sure who that player is, but we need to find them.

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

And our "best" player was the 3rd best big in the series, so what are we really arguing about?

You’re arguing 1 series where 2 guys were served on a silver platter all series after our perimeter defenders got blown by while ours had to create everything for himself, I’m talking entire careers worth of evidence.

Silver platter....Bam and Ware were both top 10 in dunks I think, are they out there dominating the post? We worked with what we had..period. Y'all always have these ridiculous expectations that no one else is held to.

Right and Bam has been near the bottom of the league in assisted buckets so imagine if he actually had a good playmaker to work with, he’d probably lead the league in dunks.

Ridiculous expectations that we have for no one else other than Herro?!?!?! I simply want the dude to hold up his play when the playoffs come around and to not be targeted so much defensively that other teams are literally telling the media that’s their plan. That’s ridiculous expectations no one else has? You mean how I get **** on her all the time for Bam not being the best defender in the world, averaging 13+ rebounds, 6+ assists, and 30 points a game while also being the main screening/DHO hub on the team?! You want to talk about ridiculous expectations……

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Herro doesnt have the value many think he has.

And what value is that, my fellow Wigg... I mean, Heat fan?

I'm not even sold on Herro long term and would happily dump him for an upgrade if the possibility presents itself, but the strawmans and disparagement of the guy is getting silly. I've seen people claim that people on this board think he's a top 20 player in the league, and I ask, who? What post ever said that, I'd be the first one to say he's getting overrated.

It's not that he has a group of fans who overrate him and want to build the team around him, nobody ever says this. Even the posters who defend from the hate he gets don't talk about him like a franchise cornerstone. What it really is, is a group of posters that already divorced from the idea of him on the team years ago in their heads, and can't acknowledge he played pretty well last season. Combined with one in particular who makes everything a dick measuring contest to big up his favorite player who deserves a championship because... he's his favorite player? I don't even know. And yeah I'll keep bringing it up because others do too and I have nothing better to do and its the offseason.

I'm being the devil's advocate to defend Herro, and I still think he's barely a borderline top 50 player, with a ceiling as a 2nd option on a championship contender that will have to be hidden on defense, and doesn't deserve his max unless he morphs into the next Stephen Curry next season, which I do not expect. Any Herro fans on this board want to disagree with me and tell me I'm wrong there? Or conversely, anyone think that assessment is overrating him?

See admins, this post let’s you know how toxic a certain poster is that it’s created unnecessary negativity towards players & posters. Cant have a damn proper discussion w/ out the ’dick measuring’. But ya’ll entertain the culprit for board activity. He lowers his toxicity volume once he feels the board has had enough of him & plays the victim. Only to spew the same toxic crap again. Rinse, repeat.

You literally got banned from PSD for racist comments, you better thank god the site is shut down now or I’d try to find a way to track it all down and expose you for your morale high ground BS you try to spew on here.

No one’s measuring dicks, you all just get upset when people tell you the truth about Herro or the front office. You have the fan favorite because he’s flashy and I guess reminds people of Vanilla Ice or something and then the man a section of Heat fans revere as a god so it will be controversial to call out their shortcomings. I mean you’re on here trying justify him being the best player, let’s put them on the market and see the return lol. It will be massively lopsided but I’m 100% down to trade both.

[greg4012]

And our "best" player was the 3rd best big in the series, so what are we really arguing about?

You’re arguing 1 series where 2 guys were served on a silver platter all series after our perimeter defenders got blown by while ours had to create everything for himself, I’m talking entire careers worth of evidence.

Silver platter....Bam and Ware were both top 10 in dunks I think, are they out there dominating the post? We worked with what we had..period. Y'all always have these ridiculous expectations that no one else is held to.

To go along with the lowest APG leader and lowest APG backcourt totals of any starting backcourt in the NBA. That dunks reference isn't doing what you think it's doing.