Retro Player of the Year 2009-10 — Lebron James

[lessthanjake]

LeBron's breathtaking 3-game collapse vs. Kobe's bottom 3 games against the same team (GmScore average)
15.0 vs 13.4

LeBron's breathtaking 3-game collapse vs. Kobe's entire 6-game first round
15.0 vs 12.9

LeBron vs Kobe avg games scores for each round:
29.5 vs 12.9
22.0 vs 21.9
---- 28.8
---- 18.7
25.4 vs 20.4 avg.


Lebron vs Kobe BPM:
RS:
11.8 (1st) vs 4.1 (15th)
top10ish vs top700ish? all time
PS:
11.5 (2nd) vs. 7.0 (7th)

similar story in other stats

So LeBron has a waaaaaay superior RS, but Kobe makes up that _gigantic_ gap and more by playing worse in the playoffs where he should have been out in the first round based on his play as a first option

Game Score is a very rough measure—it’s basically just PER at a game level. Looking at Game Score is really not a replacement for actually watching the games. Kobe was not good in the first round, but he was definitely not as bad as LeBron was in the last three games against the Celtics. Same with Kobe’s worst three games against the Celtics (though Kobe’s Game 7 was definitely on par in terms of awfulness IMO).

One important thing to think about in this regard is just how awful the Cavaliers’ offense was in those three games. Their rORTG was worse than -12 in those games (and was better in the minutes with LeBron off than when LeBron was on). That is horrible. And it’s really not enough to just say LeBron’s teammates were bad. Even the 2011 Cavaliers—without LeBron and like half their 2010 rotation, and with tons of injuries throughout the year—had a -5.1 rORTG. We are talking about a level of awful offense that is genuinely rare. And when that happens while the team’s best player and offensive engine *also* has bad individual stats, it’s clear that it was an awful performance by that player. Not that anyone really needs any of this evidence if they actually watched this series—something that I have a difficult time believing most people trying to whitewash this actually did. I think it’s very difficult to look at Kobe having a bad shooting night and think it was as bad as LeBron being so awful that it just broke his team’s offense. Maybe some of that is that Kobe’s teammates were better (which I do think they were), but a lot of it really is that LeBron was bad in a way that was more negatively impactful than Kobe. Some of that is likely that the triangle is more team-focused and therefore more able to function okay while the team’s biggest scorer is not doing well. Maybe if the offense had been more centered around Kobe, he would’ve torpedoed his team in those games as much as LeBron did. It’s possible! But he didn’t. Perhaps aside from Game 7 of the Finals, there’s just no parallel between the effect of Kobe’s worst few games of the Celtics series and the absolute offensive contagion that LeBron’s collapse had on his team. And, again, I really think anyone disputing this did not watch these games.

[One_and_Done]

VOTING POST

POY

1. Kobe Bryant - 1st Team All-NBA. 1st Team All-Defense. Finals MVP. Kobe kind of cruised through the RS and the first round against OKC before totally stepping up in the final three rounds of the PS and led the Lakers to another title. Kobe offered some good and very resilient scoring with solid playmaking and defense. Averaged 27.0/5.4/5.0 on +0.2 rTS in the RS then 29.2/6.0/5.5 on +3.3 rTS in the PS.

2. Dwyane Wade - 1st Team All-NBA. 2nd Team All-Defense. Wade had a dominant PS showing against the Celtics, dominating a really good playoff defense. Quite simply, he looks like he has a case as the best player in the NBA and I don't have an issue with someone putting him at #1. Averaged 26.6/4.8/6.5 on +1.9 rTS in the RS then 33.2/5.6/6.8 on +11.6 rTS in the PS.

3. Lebron James - 1st Team All-NBA. 1st Team All-Defense. MVP. Lebron had another fantastic floor-raising RS just a bit behind 2009 and going into the 2nd round of the playoffs, he looked like a definite frontrunner. He would really have to underperform badly to lose it from here on out... and he proceeded to do just that playing absolutely horribly down the stretch of the Celtics series while losing three consecutive games. It was so bad that commentators were talking about how passive, scared, distracted etc. Lebron looked and rumours started swirling as to why. His box score averages looked decent because of Game 1 and Game 3 but it really was a terrible performance. His averages in the last three games were 21.3/11.3/8.3 on -6.6 rTS with 6.3 topg. Those who weren't watching the series or just look at the total numbers can put Lebron #1 but I can't. Not when his subpar play heavily contributed to his team losing in the PS and as a series favorite no less. Averaged 29.7/7.3/8.6 on +6.1 rTS in the RS then 29.1/9.3/7.6 on +7.7 rTS in the PS.

4. Dwight Howard - 1st Team All-NBA. 1st Team All-Defense. DPOY. Led the Magic to the best SRS in the league and then into the ECF where they lost to the Celtics. Dwight was again an all-star caliber big on offense while being the league's best defender. He could be argued higher on the list but I don't think his PS stands out in any major way. Averaged 18.3/13.2/1.8 on +8.7 rTS in the RS then 18.1/11.4/1.4 on +7.4 rTS in the PS.

5. Steve Nash - 2nd Team All-NBA. Led the #1 offense in Phoenix yet again with a completely different group of guys than from 2005-2007 and with a different coach. Just a terrific floor general whose game definitely translates into the PS. Averaged 16.5/3.3/11.0 on +7.2 rTS in the RS then 17.8/3.3/10.1 on +10.4 rTS in the PS.

OPOY

1. Kobe Bryant - Amazing scorer and solid playmaker.

2. Dwyane Wade - Amazing scoring efficiency in the PS. Good playmaker.

3. Lebron James - Great scorer and playmaker. Prone to meltdowns as seen vs. the Celtics.

DPOY

1. Dwight Howard - DPOY. Most impactful defender in the league at this point.

2. Kevin Garnett - Though older, still so good at covering ground on defense. Celtics' defense went up a notch in the PS and KG was a big part of it.

3. Tim Duncan - Still anchors a good -3.1 rDRtg defense. Great paint protector.

Wait how is nash not even top opoy on your list here yet hes top 5 overall? His ranking top 5 overall has to be on the back of his very impactful offense, right? Hes hardly a 2 way guy lol

inconvenient truth...we're too good! -Phil Blackson

Nash was pretty comfortably the best offensive player in the NBA this year.

[ceoofkobefans]

LeBron's breathtaking 3-game collapse vs. Kobe's bottom 3 games against the same team (GmScore average)
15.0 vs 13.4

LeBron's breathtaking 3-game collapse vs. Kobe's entire 6-game first round
15.0 vs 12.9

LeBron vs Kobe avg games scores for each round:
29.5 vs 12.9
22.0 vs 21.9
---- 28.8
---- 18.7
25.4 vs 20.4 avg.


Lebron vs Kobe BPM:
RS:
11.8 (1st) vs 4.1 (15th)
top10ish vs top700ish? all time
PS:
11.5 (2nd) vs. 7.0 (7th)

similar story in other stats

So LeBron has a waaaaaay superior RS, but Kobe makes up that _gigantic_ gap and more by playing worse in the playoffs where he should have been out in the first round based on his play as a first option

Game Score is a very rough measure—it’s basically just PER at a game level. Looking at Game Score is really not a replacement for actually watching the games. Kobe was not good in the first round, but he was definitely not as bad as LeBron was in the last three games against the Celtics. Same with Kobe’s worst three games against the Celtics (though Kobe’s Game 7 was definitely on par in terms of awfulness IMO).

One important thing to think about in this regard is just how awful the Cavaliers’ offense was in those three games. Their rORTG was worse than -12 in those games (and was better in the minutes with LeBron off than when LeBron was on). That is horrible. And it’s really not enough to just say LeBron’s teammates were bad. Even the 2011 Cavaliers—without LeBron and like half their 2010 rotation, and with tons of injuries throughout the year—had a -5.1 rORTG. We are talking about a level of awful offense that is genuinely rare. And when that happens while the team’s best player and offensive engine *also* has bad individual stats, it’s clear that it was an awful performance by that player. Not that anyone really needs any of this evidence if they actually watched this series—something that I have a difficult time believing most people trying to whitewash this actually did. I think it’s very difficult to look at Kobe having a bad shooting night and think it was as bad as LeBron being so awful that it just broke his team’s offense. Maybe some of that is that Kobe’s teammates were better (which I do think they were), but a lot of it really is that LeBron was bad in a way that was more negatively impactful than Kobe. Some of that is likely that the triangle is more team-focused and therefore more able to function okay while the team’s biggest scorer is not doing well. Maybe if the offense had been more centered around Kobe, he would’ve torpedoed his team in those games as much as LeBron did. It’s possible! But he didn’t. Perhaps aside from Game 7 of the Finals, there’s just no parallel between the effect of Kobe’s worst few games of the Celtics series and the absolute offensive contagion that LeBron’s collapse had on his team. And, again, I really think anyone disputing this did not watch these games.

Another thing that’s being over looked is that Kobe had to have his knee drained I wanna say it was at the end of the thunder series or after it he was playing injured during that series and dealt with injuries the entire playoffs

[ceoofkobefans]

LeBron's breathtaking 3-game collapse vs. Kobe's bottom 3 games against the same team (GmScore average)
15.0 vs 13.4

LeBron's breathtaking 3-game collapse vs. Kobe's entire 6-game first round
15.0 vs 12.9

LeBron vs Kobe avg games scores for each round:
29.5 vs 12.9
22.0 vs 21.9
---- 28.8
---- 18.7
25.4 vs 20.4 avg.


Lebron vs Kobe BPM:
RS:
11.8 (1st) vs 4.1 (15th)
top10ish vs top700ish? all time
PS:
11.5 (2nd) vs. 7.0 (7th)

similar story in other stats

So LeBron has a waaaaaay superior RS, but Kobe makes up that _gigantic_ gap and more by playing worse in the playoffs where he should have been out in the first round based on his play as a first option

Game Score is a very rough measure—it’s basically just PER at a game level. Looking at Game Score is really not a replacement for actually watching the games. Kobe was not good in the first round, but he was definitely not as bad as LeBron was in the last three games against the Celtics. Same with Kobe’s worst three games against the Celtics (though Kobe’s Game 7 was definitely on par in terms of awfulness IMO).

One important thing to think about in this regard is just how awful the Cavaliers’ offense was in those three games. Their rORTG was worse than -12 in those games (and was better in the minutes with LeBron off than when LeBron was on). That is horrible. And it’s really not enough to just say LeBron’s teammates were bad. Even the 2011 Cavaliers—without LeBron and like half their 2010 rotation, and with tons of injuries throughout the year—had a -5.1 rORTG. We are talking about a level of awful offense that is genuinely rare. And when that happens while the team’s best player and offensive engine *also* has bad individual stats, it’s clear that it was an awful performance by that player. Not that anyone really needs any of this evidence if they actually watched this series—something that I have a difficult time believing most people trying to whitewash this actually did. I think it’s very difficult to look at Kobe having a bad shooting night and think it was as bad as LeBron being so awful that it just broke his team’s offense. Maybe some of that is that Kobe’s teammates were better (which I do think they were), but a lot of it really is that LeBron was bad in a way that was more negatively impactful than Kobe. Some of that is likely that the triangle is more team-focused and therefore more able to function okay while the team’s biggest scorer is not doing well. Maybe if the offense had been more centered around Kobe, he would’ve torpedoed his team in those games as much as LeBron did. It’s possible! But he didn’t. Perhaps aside from Game 7 of the Finals, there’s just no parallel between the effect of Kobe’s worst few games of the Celtics series and the absolute offensive contagion that LeBron’s collapse had on his team. And, again, I really think anyone disputing this did not watch these games.

Another thing that’s being over looked is that Kobe had to have his knee drained I wanna say it was at the end of the thunder series or after it he was playing injured during that series and dealt with injuries the entire playoffs

[tone wone]

One important thing to think about in this regard is just how awful the Cavaliers’ offense was in those three games. Their rORTG was worse than -12 in those games (and was better in the minutes with LeBron off than when LeBron was on). That is horrible. And it’s really not enough to just say LeBron’s teammates were bad. Even the 2011 Cavaliers—without LeBron and like half their 2010 rotation, and with tons of injuries throughout the year—had a -5.1 rORTG. We are talking about a level of awful offense that is genuinely rare. And when that happens while the team’s best player and offensive engine *also* has bad individual stats, it’s clear that it was an awful performance by that player. Not that anyone really needs any of this evidence if they actually watched this series—something that I have a difficult time believing most people trying to whitewash this actually did. I think it’s very difficult to look at Kobe having a bad shooting night and think it was as bad as LeBron being so awful that it just broke his team’s offense. Maybe some of that is that Kobe’s teammates were better (which I do think they were), but a lot of it really is that LeBron was bad in a way that was more negatively impactful than Kobe. Some of that is likely that the triangle is more team-focused and therefore more able to function okay while the team’s biggest scorer is not doing well. Maybe if the offense had been more centered around Kobe, he would’ve torpedoed his team in those games as much as LeBron did. It’s possible! But he didn’t. Perhaps aside from Game 7 of the Finals, there’s just no parallel between the effect of Kobe’s worst few games of the Celtics series and the absolute offensive contagion that LeBron’s collapse had on his team. And, again, I really think anyone disputing this did not watch these games.

LeBron’s sin in that series wasn't poor shooting, it was the turnovers. He actually had more turnovers than made fgs in games 4-6. But Kobe was operating with a much higher margin for error in his series against Boston.

His 3 worst shooting games (games 2, 3 & 7) LA went 2-1. The two wins...a 10-29, 4ast Game 2 and a 6-24, 2ast Game 7. How did LA manage to win these games with Bryant playing so meekly offensively? Because they held Boston to 101.6 ortg in Game 2 and 94.6 ortg in game 7. Both well below Bostons 107.7 regular season mark. As a matter of fact, while Boston had their best offensive series of the playoffs against CLE (108.4) they had their worst against LA (101.2).

Again the convo about LeBron’s offense against Boston compared to Kobe misses the point. Cleveland lost because they couldn't stop Boston, LA won because they could.

And the backdoor heilo mention means nothing when one team has Pau Gasol & Lamar Odom as their 2nd and 3rd options and the other had Mo Williams & a 37yr old Shaq as theirs. Obviously, Kobe shooting terribly is gonna be less damaging with his roster in a series where LA's defense has Boston completely bottled up.

[Cavsfansince84]

Game Score is a very rough measure—it’s basically just PER at a game level. Looking at Game Score is really not a replacement for actually watching the games. Kobe was not good in the first round, but he was definitely not as bad as LeBron was in the last three games against the Celtics. Same with Kobe’s worst three games against the Celtics (though Kobe’s Game 7 was definitely on par in terms of awfulness IMO).

One important thing to think about in this regard is just how awful the Cavaliers’ offense was in those three games. Their rORTG was worse than -12 in those games (and was better in the minutes with LeBron off than when LeBron was on). That is horrible. And it’s really not enough to just say LeBron’s teammates were bad. Even the 2011 Cavaliers—without LeBron and like half their 2010 rotation, and with tons of injuries throughout the year—had a -5.1 rORTG. We are talking about a level of awful offense that is genuinely rare. And when that happens while the team’s best player and offensive engine *also* has bad individual stats, it’s clear that it was an awful performance by that player. Not that anyone really needs any of this evidence if they actually watched this series—something that I have a difficult time believing most people trying to whitewash this actually did. I think it’s very difficult to look at Kobe having a bad shooting night and think it was as bad as LeBron being so awful that it just broke his team’s offense. Maybe some of that is that Kobe’s teammates were better (which I do think they were), but a lot of it really is that LeBron was bad in a way that was more negatively impactful than Kobe. Some of that is likely that the triangle is more team-focused and therefore more able to function okay while the team’s biggest scorer is not doing well. Maybe if the offense had been more centered around Kobe, he would’ve torpedoed his team in those games as much as LeBron did. It’s possible! But he didn’t. Perhaps aside from Game 7 of the Finals, there’s just no parallel between the effect of Kobe’s worst few games of the Celtics series and the absolute offensive contagion that LeBron’s collapse had on his team. And, again, I really think anyone disputing this did not watch these games.

idk, I think it's easy to read a lot of things into 3 games. I think some people may be whitewashing it as you claim but at the same time using things like ORtg to compare them to a full season of a team(2011 Cavs) when those 3 games were played against a great defense is borderline insane(though I'm not claiming you did that). What really sunk the Cavs in those games was having no answer for Rondo(he was the Celtics best player in this series and also racked up a lot of steals) and turnovers. Despite playing at a slow pace the Cavs still managed to avg 20.3 turnovers in the final 3 games which is a huge number and obviously LeBron is guilty for a lot of those but 27 in game 6 is one of the highest numbers you'll see in an NBA game. So that to me is where the series was lost and why things like ORtg were so bad. It wasn't just LeBron's shooting(also factoring in his elbow) since he also held Pierce to maybe the worst series of his prime. It was mainly Rondo and the turnovers that did us in. Having said that, LeBron wasn't great and deserves criticism but I'm not sure it was winnable if LeBron just shoots better. Rondo was the x factor for that series.

[IlikeSHAIguys]

1 - Lebron James
2 - Dwyane Wade
3 - Steve Nash
4 - Kobe Bryant
5 - Tim Duncan

Feel people voting against Lebron are doing it because of feelings? Lebron's stats are better and he's a alot better on defense and he's a alot better at passing but Kobe is better because we're going to look at a few games. Not a series but a few games? Say i didn't watch enough or whatever and I guess at the time people were trying to say Kobe was the Best guy and he knew how to get it done but Lebron has 7 assists vs 4 and 3 point higher true shooting on 2 less points and Kobe looks awful in game 7 and I remember there was lots of talk about Pau Gasol being the finals MVP so I can't really buy all that. Lebron is the guy who sees a team go from 60 to 20 and people who went into film show his assists underselling him and him being great at defense. Like okay you can say you saw this stuff live and this means you know more but like that doesn't really prove anything? It's not like this is the 90s anyway. If I've watched this then I feel like pretty much everyone here has lol. Like people just make up stuff for Kobe I guess. Duncan had more MVPs and championship carry jobs but Kobe peaked higher. Kobe had Phil Jackson and Shaq and Pau Gasol but Duncan had better coaching and teams? Kobe goes out in the first round but okay he's the best player because stats. Lebron has better stats but Kobe's better because his team wins. I feel like people just will say whatever for Kobe because the whole closest to MJ thing and like I guess we saw earlier people also get crazy defensive about MJ too.

Like come on guys. Lebron is better. It's okay to admit that lol. Kobe's mamba is cool but no one here really is explaining to me what Kobe is doing other than stats that we should treat him like he's Bill Russell.

Wade actually has way better stats than Lebron facing Boston and he's better than Kobe in the regular season.

Nash also has better stats. Feel like he just had less help and winning 4 games in a row vs Duncan is awesome.

Even people voting for him say Kobe had a down RS but if you win you win I guess. I'll be honest the whole wow Kobe had a 55 win team thing probably just moved me up on him. There's got to be some balance between saying he's Lebron James and saying he's just a passenger who got carried by Pau. Lakers going pretty good before Pau even got there makes me feel Kobe has to get some credit for winning even if his stats kind of sucked in the finals.

Duncan beats Dirk and is one of the best defenders and scores almost 20. There's KG but is he even their best player at 15/2/7?

Defensive Player of the Year

1 - Kevin Garnett
2 - Tim Duncan
3 - Lebron James

Offensive Player of the Year

1 - Lebron James
2 - Steve Nash
3 - Dwyane Wade

[IlikeSHAIguys]

LeBron's breathtaking 3-game collapse vs. Kobe's bottom 3 games against the same team (GmScore average)
15.0 vs 13.4

LeBron's breathtaking 3-game collapse vs. Kobe's entire 6-game first round
15.0 vs 12.9

LeBron vs Kobe avg games scores for each round:
29.5 vs 12.9
22.0 vs 21.9
---- 28.8
---- 18.7
25.4 vs 20.4 avg.


Lebron vs Kobe BPM:
RS:
11.8 (1st) vs 4.1 (15th)
top10ish vs top700ish? all time
PS:
11.5 (2nd) vs. 7.0 (7th)

similar story in other stats

So LeBron has a waaaaaay superior RS, but Kobe makes up that _gigantic_ gap and more by playing worse in the playoffs where he should have been out in the first round based on his play as a first option

Game Score is a very rough measure—it’s basically just PER at a game level. Looking at Game Score is really not a replacement for actually watching the games. Kobe was not good in the first round, but he was definitely not as bad as LeBron was in the last three games against the Celtics. Same with Kobe’s worst three games against the Celtics (though Kobe’s Game 7 was definitely on par in terms of awfulness IMO).

One important thing to think about in this regard is just how awful the Cavaliers’ offense was in those three games. Their rORTG was worse than -12 in those games (and was better in the minutes with LeBron off than when LeBron was on). That is horrible. And it’s really not enough to just say LeBron’s teammates were bad. Even the 2011 Cavaliers—without LeBron and like half their 2010 rotation, and with tons of injuries throughout the year—had a -5.1 rORTG. We are talking about a level of awful offense that is genuinely rare. And when that happens while the team’s best player and offensive engine *also* has bad individual stats, it’s clear that it was an awful performance by that player. Not that anyone really needs any of this evidence if they actually watched this series—something that I have a difficult time believing most people trying to whitewash this actually did. I think it’s very difficult to look at Kobe having a bad shooting night and think it was as bad as LeBron being so awful that it just broke his team’s offense. Maybe some of that is that Kobe’s teammates were better (which I do think they were), but a lot of it really is that LeBron was bad in a way that was more negatively impactful than Kobe. Some of that is likely that the triangle is more team-focused and therefore more able to function okay while the team’s biggest scorer is not doing well. Maybe if the offense had been more centered around Kobe, he would’ve torpedoed his team in those games as much as LeBron did. It’s possible! But he didn’t. Perhaps aside from Game 7 of the Finals, there’s just no parallel between the effect of Kobe’s worst few games of the Celtics series and the absolute offensive contagion that LeBron’s collapse had on his team. And, again, I really think anyone disputing this did not watch these games.

Can we please stop this big eyetest swinging contest?

[parapooper]

LeBron's breathtaking 3-game collapse vs. Kobe's bottom 3 games against the same team (GmScore average)
15.0 vs 13.4

LeBron's breathtaking 3-game collapse vs. Kobe's entire 6-game first round
15.0 vs 12.9

LeBron vs Kobe avg games scores for each round:
29.5 vs 12.9
22.0 vs 21.9
---- 28.8
---- 18.7
25.4 vs 20.4 avg.


Lebron vs Kobe BPM:
RS:
11.8 (1st) vs 4.1 (15th)
top10ish vs top700ish? all time
PS:
11.5 (2nd) vs. 7.0 (7th)

similar story in other stats

So LeBron has a waaaaaay superior RS, but Kobe makes up that _gigantic_ gap and more by playing worse in the playoffs where he should have been out in the first round based on his play as a first option

Game Score is a very rough measure—it’s basically just PER at a game level. Looking at Game Score is really not a replacement for actually watching the games. Kobe was not good in the first round, but he was definitely not as bad as LeBron was in the last three games against the Celtics. Same with Kobe’s worst three games against the Celtics (though Kobe’s Game 7 was definitely on par in terms of awfulness IMO).

One important thing to think about in this regard is just how awful the Cavaliers’ offense was in those three games. Their rORTG was worse than -12 in those games (and was better in the minutes with LeBron off than when LeBron was on). That is horrible. And it’s really not enough to just say LeBron’s teammates were bad. Even the 2011 Cavaliers—without LeBron and like half their 2010 rotation, and with tons of injuries throughout the year—had a -5.1 rORTG. We are talking about a level of awful offense that is genuinely rare. And when that happens while the team’s best player and offensive engine *also* has bad individual stats, it’s clear that it was an awful performance by that player. Not that anyone really needs any of this evidence if they actually watched this series—something that I have a difficult time believing most people trying to whitewash this actually did. I think it’s very difficult to look at Kobe having a bad shooting night and think it was as bad as LeBron being so awful that it just broke his team’s offense. Maybe some of that is that Kobe’s teammates were better (which I do think they were), but a lot of it really is that LeBron was bad in a way that was more negatively impactful than Kobe. Some of that is likely that the triangle is more team-focused and therefore more able to function okay while the team’s biggest scorer is not doing well. Maybe if the offense had been more centered around Kobe, he would’ve torpedoed his team in those games as much as LeBron did. It’s possible! But he didn’t. Perhaps aside from Game 7 of the Finals, there’s just no parallel between the effect of Kobe’s worst few games of the Celtics series and the absolute offensive contagion that LeBron’s collapse had on his team. And, again, I really think anyone disputing this did not watch these games.

Game score actually favors players who shoot lots on meh efficiency and are meh on defense - like Kobe.
And still Kobe's game score over 3 of 4 series was worse than Lebron's vs Boston (17.4 vs 22.0) and barely better than LeBrons 3 breathtakingly bad games (15.0)

Is Kobe being trash for almost the entire 6-game first round better than Lebron being trash on only one half of the court for 3 games (=1.5 games) against Boston?
Even if someone agreed to that, how does such a minuscule, hiiighly debatable advantage make up for the undebatably gigantic advantage Lebron had when healthy in the RS?
The gap in 2010 RS VORP between Lebron and Kobe was much bigger than Kobe's gap to 2010 Celine Dion.

And nobody cares what the eye test of some anonymous guy on the internet says.

[lessthanjake]

Game Score is a very rough measure—it’s basically just PER at a game level. Looking at Game Score is really not a replacement for actually watching the games. Kobe was not good in the first round, but he was definitely not as bad as LeBron was in the last three games against the Celtics. Same with Kobe’s worst three games against the Celtics (though Kobe’s Game 7 was definitely on par in terms of awfulness IMO).

One important thing to think about in this regard is just how awful the Cavaliers’ offense was in those three games. Their rORTG was worse than -12 in those games (and was better in the minutes with LeBron off than when LeBron was on). That is horrible. And it’s really not enough to just say LeBron’s teammates were bad. Even the 2011 Cavaliers—without LeBron and like half their 2010 rotation, and with tons of injuries throughout the year—had a -5.1 rORTG. We are talking about a level of awful offense that is genuinely rare. And when that happens while the team’s best player and offensive engine *also* has bad individual stats, it’s clear that it was an awful performance by that player. Not that anyone really needs any of this evidence if they actually watched this series—something that I have a difficult time believing most people trying to whitewash this actually did. I think it’s very difficult to look at Kobe having a bad shooting night and think it was as bad as LeBron being so awful that it just broke his team’s offense. Maybe some of that is that Kobe’s teammates were better (which I do think they were), but a lot of it really is that LeBron was bad in a way that was more negatively impactful than Kobe. Some of that is likely that the triangle is more team-focused and therefore more able to function okay while the team’s biggest scorer is not doing well. Maybe if the offense had been more centered around Kobe, he would’ve torpedoed his team in those games as much as LeBron did. It’s possible! But he didn’t. Perhaps aside from Game 7 of the Finals, there’s just no parallel between the effect of Kobe’s worst few games of the Celtics series and the absolute offensive contagion that LeBron’s collapse had on his team. And, again, I really think anyone disputing this did not watch these games.

idk, I think it's easy to read a lot of things into 3 games. I think some people may be whitewashing it as you claim but at the same time using things like ORtg to compare them to a full season of a team(2011 Cavs) when those 3 games were played against a great defense is borderline insane(though I'm not claiming you did that).

To be clear, the rORTG I referred to for the games against the Celtics was relative to the Celtics defense, not relative to the league as a whole. So it is accounting for the Celtics being a great defense. If I’d calculated rORTG compared to league average it would’ve been more like -16 or so.

What really sunk the Cavs in those games was having no answer for Rondo(he was the Celtics best player in this series and also racked up a lot of steals) and turnovers. Despite playing at a slow pace the Cavs still managed to avg 20.3 turnovers in the final 3 games which is a huge number and obviously LeBron is guilty for a lot of those but 27 in game 6 is one of the highest numbers you'll see in an NBA game. So that to me is where the series was lost and why things like ORtg were so bad. It wasn't just LeBron's shooting(also factoring in his elbow) since he also held Pierce to maybe the worst series of his prime. It was mainly Rondo and the turnovers that did us in. Having said that, LeBron wasn't great and deserves criticism but I'm not sure it was winnable if LeBron just shoots better. Rondo was the x factor for that series.

I think there’s a chance it was winnable if LeBron simply shot better, given that Games 4 & 6 were at least sort of close, but I agree that the turnovers were massively important. But, as you note, LeBron was guilty for a lot of them, and I wouldn’t be talking about those games in the same way without him having turned the ball over so much. That was a big part of the equation here.

[One_and_Done]

LeBron's breathtaking 3-game collapse vs. Kobe's bottom 3 games against the same team (GmScore average)
15.0 vs 13.4

LeBron's breathtaking 3-game collapse vs. Kobe's entire 6-game first round
15.0 vs 12.9

LeBron vs Kobe avg games scores for each round:
29.5 vs 12.9
22.0 vs 21.9
---- 28.8
---- 18.7
25.4 vs 20.4 avg.


Lebron vs Kobe BPM:
RS:
11.8 (1st) vs 4.1 (15th)
top10ish vs top700ish? all time
PS:
11.5 (2nd) vs. 7.0 (7th)

similar story in other stats

So LeBron has a waaaaaay superior RS, but Kobe makes up that _gigantic_ gap and more by playing worse in the playoffs where he should have been out in the first round based on his play as a first option

Game Score is a very rough measure—it’s basically just PER at a game level. Looking at Game Score is really not a replacement for actually watching the games. Kobe was not good in the first round, but he was definitely not as bad as LeBron was in the last three games against the Celtics. Same with Kobe’s worst three games against the Celtics (though Kobe’s Game 7 was definitely on par in terms of awfulness IMO).

One important thing to think about in this regard is just how awful the Cavaliers’ offense was in those three games. Their rORTG was worse than -12 in those games (and was better in the minutes with LeBron off than when LeBron was on). That is horrible. And it’s really not enough to just say LeBron’s teammates were bad. Even the 2011 Cavaliers—without LeBron and like half their 2010 rotation, and with tons of injuries throughout the year—had a -5.1 rORTG. We are talking about a level of awful offense that is genuinely rare. And when that happens while the team’s best player and offensive engine *also* has bad individual stats, it’s clear that it was an awful performance by that player. Not that anyone really needs any of this evidence if they actually watched this series—something that I have a difficult time believing most people trying to whitewash this actually did. I think it’s very difficult to look at Kobe having a bad shooting night and think it was as bad as LeBron being so awful that it just broke his team’s offense. Maybe some of that is that Kobe’s teammates were better (which I do think they were), but a lot of it really is that LeBron was bad in a way that was more negatively impactful than Kobe. Some of that is likely that the triangle is more team-focused and therefore more able to function okay while the team’s biggest scorer is not doing well. Maybe if the offense had been more centered around Kobe, he would’ve torpedoed his team in those games as much as LeBron did. It’s possible! But he didn’t. Perhaps aside from Game 7 of the Finals, there’s just no parallel between the effect of Kobe’s worst few games of the Celtics series and the absolute offensive contagion that LeBron’s collapse had on his team. And, again, I really think anyone disputing this did not watch these games.

Another thing that’s being over looked is that Kobe had to have his knee drained I wanna say it was at the end of the thunder series or after it he was playing injured during that series and dealt with injuries the entire playoffs

That's really not relevant. Whether a player was bad due to injury or other reasons, all that matters is they played worse.

[lessthanjake]

LeBron's breathtaking 3-game collapse vs. Kobe's bottom 3 games against the same team (GmScore average)
15.0 vs 13.4

LeBron's breathtaking 3-game collapse vs. Kobe's entire 6-game first round
15.0 vs 12.9

LeBron vs Kobe avg games scores for each round:
29.5 vs 12.9
22.0 vs 21.9
---- 28.8
---- 18.7
25.4 vs 20.4 avg.


Lebron vs Kobe BPM:
RS:
11.8 (1st) vs 4.1 (15th)
top10ish vs top700ish? all time
PS:
11.5 (2nd) vs. 7.0 (7th)

similar story in other stats

So LeBron has a waaaaaay superior RS, but Kobe makes up that _gigantic_ gap and more by playing worse in the playoffs where he should have been out in the first round based on his play as a first option

Game Score is a very rough measure—it’s basically just PER at a game level. Looking at Game Score is really not a replacement for actually watching the games. Kobe was not good in the first round, but he was definitely not as bad as LeBron was in the last three games against the Celtics. Same with Kobe’s worst three games against the Celtics (though Kobe’s Game 7 was definitely on par in terms of awfulness IMO).

One important thing to think about in this regard is just how awful the Cavaliers’ offense was in those three games. Their rORTG was worse than -12 in those games (and was better in the minutes with LeBron off than when LeBron was on). That is horrible. And it’s really not enough to just say LeBron’s teammates were bad. Even the 2011 Cavaliers—without LeBron and like half their 2010 rotation, and with tons of injuries throughout the year—had a -5.1 rORTG. We are talking about a level of awful offense that is genuinely rare. And when that happens while the team’s best player and offensive engine *also* has bad individual stats, it’s clear that it was an awful performance by that player. Not that anyone really needs any of this evidence if they actually watched this series—something that I have a difficult time believing most people trying to whitewash this actually did. I think it’s very difficult to look at Kobe having a bad shooting night and think it was as bad as LeBron being so awful that it just broke his team’s offense. Maybe some of that is that Kobe’s teammates were better (which I do think they were), but a lot of it really is that LeBron was bad in a way that was more negatively impactful than Kobe. Some of that is likely that the triangle is more team-focused and therefore more able to function okay while the team’s biggest scorer is not doing well. Maybe if the offense had been more centered around Kobe, he would’ve torpedoed his team in those games as much as LeBron did. It’s possible! But he didn’t. Perhaps aside from Game 7 of the Finals, there’s just no parallel between the effect of Kobe’s worst few games of the Celtics series and the absolute offensive contagion that LeBron’s collapse had on his team. And, again, I really think anyone disputing this did not watch these games.

Game score actually favors players who shoot lots on meh efficiency and are meh on defense - like Kobe.
And still Kobe's game score over 3 of 4 series was worse than Lebron's vs Boston (17.4 vs 22.0) and barely better than LeBrons 3 breathtakingly bad games (15.0)

You don’t have any significant basis for saying that Game Score “favors players who shoot lots on meh efficiency.” And I could also easily say that PER/Game-Score undersells how bad turning the ball over a lot is (which I think is actually almost certainly true since it doesn’t attempt to account for its effect on the other end of the court). And, in any event, Game Score is basically just PER, which just isn’t a great stat in general. It’s not very persuasive, and hand-waving about what direction you think it probably is wrong in is silly. If we don’t think it’s a good stat, then it’s just not all that useful. And I think we both know what the consensus was about this amongst people who actually watched the games at the time. Appealing to Game Score isn’t going to change or override that.

Is Kobe being trash for almost the entire 6-game first round better than Lebron being trash on only one half of the court for 3 games (=1.5 games) against Boston?
Even if someone agreed to that, how does such a minuscule, hiiighly debatable advantage make up for the undebatably gigantic advantage Lebron had when healthy in the RS?
The gap in 2010 RS VORP between Lebron and Kobe was much bigger than Kobe's gap to 2010 Celine Dion.

And nobody cares what the eye test of some anonymous guy on the internet says.

Again, Kobe was not good in the first round, but he was not as bad as LeBron was in the last three games against the Celtics. You’re also just ignoring the fact that Kobe actually played really well in the playoffs against two good teams. LeBron did not have a good series against any good team. That matters a lot! Even if you decide to think that Kobe only had the opportunity to do so because he had a better team, that hypothetical masks the actual reality that Kobe did that and LeBron didn’t. This is a big deal for POY purposes.

And yeah, I agree LeBron was notably better than Kobe in the regular season. That’s a significant factor here and the only reason there’s even a discussion worth having here. But ultimately Kobe led his team to the title and LeBron went out ignominiously in the second round. That’s a really significant factor of POY purposes! I think we all agree that LeBron was a better player at this point, but POY for most people isn’t just “Who was the best player in a vacuum?” Achievements that year matter, and obviously Kobe blows LeBron out of the water there.

As for the “eye test of some anonymous guy on the internet,” the issue you should confront here is that I’m not on an island at all, and in fact this was the widespread consensus about LeBron’s performance at the time. It’s the people trying to whitewash it that are anonymous guys on the internet going out on a limb.

[Cavsfansince84]

I think there’s a chance it was winnable if LeBron simply shot better, given that Games 4 & 6 were at least sort of close, but I agree that the turnovers were massively important. But, as you note, LeBron was guilty for a lot of them, and I wouldn’t be talking about those games in the same way without him having turned the ball over so much. That was a big part of the equation here.

Hypothetically speaking anything is possible. What I was attempting to add some context to was the idea that the Cavs lost because LeBron was so bad over the last 3 games. Yes, he didn't shoot well though I mean 19 reb in game 6 has to count for something and being part of why Pierce had a game score of 8 for the series also has to count for something. What I didn't see much mention of was how great Rondo was and the overall effect of turnovers on the Cavs losing/ORtg for the series. Which again LeBron gets some of the blame for but even without his 9 to's in game 6 they still had 18 as a team which is huge still. I'm just adding context for the sake of discussion, I'm not necessarily trying to sway your vote and if someone thinks Kobe deserves to be #1 that's fine since he did lead his team to the title.

[Paulluxx9000]

Lebron
KD
Kobe
Nash
Dwight
Disappointing end but all-together a spectacular i season

Spoiler:

Finally the kid from Akron. Chasing Jordan, but in Magic’s mold:

Over the previous years the offense goes from Kareem-centric to Magic-centric. A lot of people lament Magic not being given the reigns earlier but it’s not so easy. Prime Kareem completely invalidates high-level defense if you use him right.(and who was using him correctly…) Even now he is a huge headache for opposing teams but, you know who also invalidates high-level defense entirely? Magic.
It’s easy to just look at the assists but if you go by the assists Isiah isn’t that far off. Here’s what Magic has that Isiah doesn’t. You have 5 guys there to make sure Magic or one of his teammates doesn’t score. But if there’s just a sliver of daylight. Just a few guys ever so slightly overextended…Magic might just render all 5 of those defenders moot in a flash. He has unbelievable ball control, he’s big and powerful at the basket, he uses his eyes better than anyone, and has a cannon for an arm. He can defeat your defense basically himself. He might not end the possession with a tough contested fadeaway, but he’ll do it his way. And there’s only one other guy you could ever say that about. And he isn’t going to be on anyone’s ballot until 2004.(unless you’re really into him and are a “High school LeBron was the level of an NBA All-Star” (real people that exist))
Finally, his brain. His advanced stats are ridiculous But that doesn’t tell you how someone makes his teammates better. Magic’s impact is ridiculous. Magic is the smartest player on the court every time he steps on it(yes, smarter than Bird). He knows where he needs to go and where you need to go and he’ll make sure you and him both go where you need to go at the time and place you both need to be there. And he does that better than anyone else and everyone who comes after, probably even including that 2004 guy(who’s better at a couple other things).
Is his team good? Yes. Is Kareem amazing? Definitely. But we seem him still doing all this with explicitly fine and not Kareem teammates when he crosses 30

Great stats. Great tape. Undeniable impact. You play to win and no one ever makes you win like him (Russell yes). But what’s been lost to time is the pressure. Not from just being so incredibly good, but because there was a type of good many wanted him to be:
https://youtu.be/mZE4NuH_uuA?t=271
One of the things that always rubbed me wrong is how people covered and still cover Lebron pre-miami. I think it's obvious for anyone who paid attention he was already one of the smartest players ever.
Yet many say things like "he didn't know how to win" (Lebron himself caved in to this one unfortunately), "he didn't know how to close", "he wasn't a game manager yet", while lambsting his almost always correct decision-making as soft, weak, or not "alpha"
And then I came across this; one of the most absurd collection of interview questions in history aimed at any basketball player from one of the most respected and, at least by reputation, class personified, Bob Costas.
We talk about what Russell and Kareem faced, but I don't know I've seen this seriously discussed with Lebron: How much did race factor into how Lebron was and still is covered. Times 100 when we speak of the part of his career before his first ring.
Many hate how he took control of his own future. How he took control of his teams. How he took control of offensive possessions. How he’s trying to take control of endless ridiculous narratives written up exclusively for him and him alone. I applaud it. Invalidating opponent defense. Controlling opponent offense. That’s on film. But entering the most negative environment almost any player has ever entered with teammates and anchors alike chomping at Hummers and Tatoos to see him fail; and forcing all of them to shut up? Chosen one indeed.
20 years old and he already has Cleveland winning despite it all. And he’s just getting started. 20 years later and he’s not even finished.[/quote]
The playmaking was mostly there already but now the other shoe drops. Ontop of making like Magic, he’s defending like Pippen even with a shaky jumper that type of combination that can make you the best player in the league. You need to think of him inside. He’s not AK47 but he will spend stretches of games on the backline and makes would be dunkers and slashers second-guess themselves and try a different path. He’s an active and disciplined man defender running 1 through 4 and occasionally even 5s. He’s a bit gambly to start the year but as the season progresses you see all the components for the two way monster he’s about to become. Poised but powerful. Disciplined but dynamic His shooting isn’t there for the final hurdle but he finds other ways to keep his team in. Tripled and quadrupled and still more often than not he finds the right man at the right spot at breakneck speed. Add in the fear he’s putting in manu and parker at his basket and you get a massively overmatched cleveland team lottery-level cast staying right there every game. They probably win a couple if Mike Brown isn’t trying to use Lebron like Jordan. Waiting and cutting in the corner where the Spurs can afford to leave one man instead of three or four while Gibson brings it up with his broken foot again and again for dinosaur offense. Or putting Gibson on Parker or tanking their offense with Snow when they have someone who can handle him nearly on his lonesome. It wasn’t an all powerful performance and there are plenty of things to work on. But for anyone who really watched there was lots to praise. And don’t get me started how he got there 27 straight vs Detroit. But that’s not the point. The Cavs got where they got on great defense and under the noses of alot of people who make it all about deflections and steals. A really great attacker became a really great defender.
…
The lazy will look at his scoring and say he was bad against Boston. They’ll ignore injuries and hapless support (not one win when he didn’t grace the court) and say he didn’t win enough. But those watching really watching will see a forward making chances out of nothing in bunches and patrolling his basket from the rim and from the key and from the paint and at the elbow making everyone from 1 to 5 on Boston think a little different about what they were going to do in possession after possession after possession. And then in the last 3 games the offense comes alive. Lebron becomes Atlas and if not for Paul pierce becoming saiyan and one of the best defenses in modernity Lebron might have went and won a title then and there with little more than a few defenders he helped make look much better than they really were. He was an all-time great already but now you see the outline of something even better, much better. With respect to Kobe and KG and the many fine players who shared the league it’s just not close. He scores with anyone and others better like anyone and can defend like anyone who isn’t pushing 7 feet inside out and in between. Just the best.

No player ever is flawless, but this is as close as anyone’s gotten to having no weaknesses. Defending inside, defending outside, helping, closing out shooters, guarding 1-4 and on occasion even 5’s, screen navigation, sealing off, Lebron’s the full package defensively. As full a package any perimeter engine gets. And on offense, the only question mark is a jump-shot, a question he answers and then some in the midst of the most impressive playoff performance of any non-giant ever. It’s not enough against the red-hot Magic and Dwight but he was incredible asked to produce more than anyone ever and almost pulling it off.
His game will improve in certain ways but this is Lebron unleashed. This is when he becomes undeniably better than Jordan. Prophecy fulfilled.[/spoiler]
Kevin Durant’s here. 6’11 yet agile. Can handle the ball, and virtually unguardable 1 on 1. He can get beat mono v mono on the other side and forced into bad decisions on offense but he’s still impressive leading the Thunder to 50 wins and a solid effort against the champions. The Defense is not spectacular. His footwork and the slim part of slim reaper stops him from being a lockdown guy or an elite rebounder but he’s got the size to be bothersome and that wingspan can offer a little bit of protection inside.
No way or shape about it though this man is a scorer. High efficiency instead of high volume. And he does a little bit of everything else.
He’s got some growing to do but most of the good’s already there.
Kobe wins

Spoiler:

Kobe’s a superstar though he doesn’t play as super as last time. He can roam, he can drive, he can dunk (not like MJ). He doesn’t have the size to get by or through traffic like a Lebron, or even just get by like Jordan. But he’s smart, precise with his moves, and is a truly versatile piece able to do everything well and, if he has to face the traffic, he can shoot over it as well as nearly anyone. He would have been incredible with illegal defense, but he’s good enough now. There is no three-peat without Mamba.
He was well and truly poor in a finals facing Boston and Garnett’s awesome defense but it’s silly to me to let one series make three other series and a regular-season meaningless. Kobe was phenomenal for three rounds including the total domination of Duncan and his Spurs. He was great in a regular season full of turnover. Kobe is not unstoppable like Boston showed in this finals and another but he’s great all the same.

He was excellent in these finals and was great in the playoffs as a whole. It’s a shame a kid from Akron turned into a monster robbing him the opportunity to be the best.
Nash bounces back.

Spoiler:

Nash, nash, nash, nash. What he lacks in Power he replaces with persistence. Constant pressure. He kept the ball closer to the hardwood better than anyone letting him negate defenders without a pass or a shot. And he passes like crazy. And he can shoot incredibly too. You put him on Stockton’s teams and they win a ring. Talking heads talk as if his offense was a regular season flash but he fried the Spurs offensively. It’s honestly part of why Nash has a claim to as the GOAT offensive player. He actually won MVP of the FIBA qualifier in 2004 carrying Canada to 5-4. They just didn’t have enough spots.

Incredible vs the Spurs. Not incredible enough vs the Lakers.
Step back for Dwight

Spoiler:

Dwight arrives. Big, fast, and tall; and can jump like hell. Dwight’s game is not complex. He doesn’t have a litany of post-moves or a bag or a great jumpshot. But it’s effective. Two bigs have to watch him at your basket. Which means if you surround him with shooters and those shooters get hot, even the best ever can be beat. On the other end you’re going to have a hard time getting to his basket. Unless you’re vintage Lebron the mobile 7-footer with great leap and wingspan is going to make you work. It’s a formula to win and the Magic made it work. He has limits which great teams can lay bare, but most everyone does. This is still the league’s best giant and he was better than he’s remembered now

Step back for the team.

[AEnigma]

Lebron
KD
Kobe
Nash
Dwight

Curious to hear why the exclusion for Wade.

Defensive Player of the Year

1 - Kevin Garnett
2 - Tim Duncan
3 - Lebron James

And curious to hear why the exclusion for Dwight.

[Narigo]

1. LeBron James- Clearly the best player in the regular season. But didn't perform well against Boston. Despite thi, I don't think anyone was near him impact wise accounting for both regular season and playoffs.

2. Dwayne Wade- Played almost as good as 2009. Had a better regular season then the players below my list. And played better against Boston than LeBron, Kobe and Howard.

3. Kobe Bryant- A.litle worse in 09 but perform well in the playoffs. Although tbh I thought Pau probably deserved the finals MVP award.

4. Dwight Howard- Arguably the best defender in the league this year and led team to conference finals against Boston. Good offensively but still limited there.

5. Steve Nash- Tempted to go with Kevin Durant as he imo had a better regular season with a weaker cast but Nash was much better in the playoffs.

[Narigo]

Do you guys think Tim Duncan has a case for top 5 in 2010? I think he was a bit underrated

[AEnigma]

Votes are tallied. I recorded 10 approved voters: Djoker, capfan33, homecourtloss, ILikeShaiGuys, OldSchoolNoBull, Paulluxx, OhayoKD, Narigo, One_and_Done, and trelos. DJoker, AEnigma, LikeShaiGuys, OhayoKD, and trelos voted for both Offensive and Defensive Player of the Year. Please let me know if I seem to have missed or otherwise improperly recorded a vote.

2009-10 Results

(Retro) Offensive Player of the Year — Steve Nash (4)

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Player       1st   2nd   3rd   Points  Shares
1. Steve Nash   3   1   0    18    0.720
2. Lebron James   1   1   3   11    0.440
3. Dwyane Wade   0   3   1    10    0.400
4. Kobe Bryant    1   0   0    5    0.200
5. Deron Williams    0   0   1    1    0.040

(Retro) Defensive Player of the Year — Kevin Garnett (2)

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Player         1st   2nd   3rd   Points  Shares
1. Kevin Garnett  2   3   0    19    0.760
2. Dwight Howard   3   1   0    18    0.720
3. Tim Duncan   0   1   1    4    0.160
4. Andrew Bogut   0   0   2    2    0.080
5. Lebron James   0   0   2    2    0.080

Retro Player of the Year — Lebron James (3)

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Player      1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th Pts  POY Shares
1. Lebron James  9  0  1  0  0    95   0.950
2. Dwyane Wade  0  5  4  0  0   55   0.550
3. Kobe Bryant  1  3  3  1  1   50   0.500
4. Steve Nash   0  0  2  4  4   26   0.260
5. Dwight Howard 0  1  0  5  2   24   0.240
6. Kevin Durant   0  1  0  0  1   8   0.080
7. Kevin Garnett   0  0  0  0  1   1   0.010
7. Tim Duncan   0  0  0  0  1   1   0.010

Now, the 19 votes (with no overlap) in 2010 were contemporaneous, so I am not sure whether they should be grouped with this retroactive assessment. But for now, here are the aggregated results of the two projects across 29 total ballots:

Spoiler:

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Player   1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th Pts  POY Shares
1. Lebron James  19  5  5  0  0    250   0.862
2. Dwyane Wade  5  12  9  1  0   182   0.628
3. Kobe Bryant  5  10  10  2  1   177   0.610
4. Dwight Howard 0  1  2  14  7   66   0.228
5. Steve Nash   0  0  2  8  11   45   0.155
6. Kevin Durant   0  1  1  3  7   28   0.097
7. Dirk Nowitzki   0  0  0  1  0   3   0.010
8. Kevin Garnett   0  0  0  0  1   1   0.003
8. Tim Duncan   0  0  0  0  1   1   0.003
8. Deron Williams  0  0  0  0  1   1   0.003

2011 thread will open shortly.

[Elpolo_14]

Lebron game 4 against Celtic 2010 both end

Watch on YouTube

;t=3534s

One of Lebron worst game in this series ( Second worst )

Playmaking
-DTOs ( Defender take out )
-EDTOs ( Extra defender taken out )
_ ADA ( Additional defender affected )
--Double
-Triple
-Création ~ R’Creation ( Rim )/ P’Creation ( Prerimeter )
-SC ( Screen assist ) ( GHOST SCREEN DO NOT COUNT )
- EPDL( Elite pass delivery ) for creation or when the defense is attach on his presence
- RPDL ( Regular pass delivery ) for creation or when the defense is attach on his presence
- BRDL ( Bad pass delivery ) for creation or when the defense is attach on his presence
- BB ( BRING Ball up )
Scoring
-FGA
-FGM
-M ( midrange )
-P ( Post play )
-R ( Rim : lay up / dunk )
-T ( 3pt )
-PB ( Putback )
-FTA + FTM
-OCT ( Offensive Contest )
-OUCT ( Offensive Uncontested )
- FD ( Foul draw by defender )

Rebound
-O-Reb ( offensive Rebound )
-*Obx ( Offensive Box Out )
-*Nobx ( Non offensive Boxout)
- D-reb ( defensive Rebound )
- Dbx ( defensive box out )
- Ndox ( non defensive box out )
- EP ( Empty Paint )
Defense
-PPs – EPP/IPP ( Paint Protection ) ( E – effective / I – Ineffective )
- PPDs – EPPD/IPPD ( Primary Perimeter defendings ) ( E – effective / I – Ineffective )
- DCT ( Defensive contest )
- NDCT ( non contest )
- HPD ( help defense ) – EHPD/IHPD ( E – effective / I – Ineffective )
- OBD ( Offball defense when the offball player is in action to make a play or in advantageous position ) – EOBD/IOBD ( E – effective / I – Ineffective )

( P - Possession. If your team get the Oreb or foul and your team get control of the ball it will be counted as same possession )
Q1 Offense
P1 = 0.15 – Bron get ball with Paul on him drive pass to shaq in post
P2 = 0.50 – Bron get ball on post with Paul face up game lebron try pump fake many time but Paul don’t bite. Shaq offensive foul
P3 = 1.28 – Bron bring ball up dribble to top key with Paul on him so he pass to Antawn at wing who drive lay up ( BB1 DTOs1 RPDL1 )
P4 = 2.19 – Lebron bring ball up get pick up by Allen then KG come double so bron bounce pass to Antawn who drive hand off to shaq for a dunk ( Double1 DTOs2-3 EDTOs1 RPDL2 R’Creation BB2)
P5 = 3.34 – Bron get bron top key from Mo then drive on allen spin move lay up ( FGA1 FGM1 R1 OCT1 )
P6 = 4.40 – bron bring ball up pass out. Mo get foul ( Heat ball ) ( BB3 )
P6 = 5.04 – Bron at corner when Mo pass to Antawn drive dunk
P7 = 6.22 – bron bring ball up Antawn come screen so bron drive so KG pick him up and Paul close on the lane. Bron pass to Anthony wide open for 3pt ( BB4 DTO4-5 EDTOs2 RPDL3 P’Creation1 )
P8 = 6.48 – Mo bring ball up pass to shaq who miss post shot. Bron at 3pt line
P9 = 7.10 – Bron bringball up fast break drive see double but rondo come steal from behide ( Double2 BB5 ) ( Cav ball )
P10 = 7.29 – Bron out bound pass to MO off screen for a long 2pt missed ( RPDL4 )
P11 = 8.45 – Mo bring ball up pass to bron on top keys. Bron pass to shaq in the post. Thrn cut to the basket with shaq bounce pass for him ( bad pass from shaq ) get intercepted
P12 = 9.12 – Lebron at 3pt line when Mo bring ball up and pass to Antawn for a miss shot
P13 = 9.40 – lebron stay at the wing when MO bring ball up and play PNR with shaq. Mo drive jump shot get block
P14 = 10.50 – West bring ball up so bron ghost screen then pop to the top keys. Defensive 3sec foul ( FTA1 FTM1 ) ( Cav ball )
P14 = 11.35 – Lebron get ball at wing then Antawn come screen for him. Lebron dribble pass KG who try to edge off screen and jump shot at top key missed ( FGA2 T1 OUCT1 )
P15 = 12.40- lebron cut backdoor to the post get ball and get foul suddenly ( FD1 ) ( Cav ball )
P15 = 13.20 – Bron have the ball on wing with tony allen on him and rondo on the side who is there to prevent a drive. Bron pass to open west but KG pick him up. West pass to Shaq for a foul ( DTOs6-7 EDTOs3 RPDL5 )
P16 = 14.40 – Lebron bringball up Antawn screen so the lebron try to drive with KG close out and Ray allen who close out in the lane. Pass ro Anthony at 3pt line but Ray allen able to close out but Anthony drive fake and hit a long 2pt ( BB6 DTOs8-9 EDTOs4 ADAs1 RPDL6 )
P17 = 15.20 – Lebron at 3pt line when shaq post up and get foul in paint
P18 = 17.48 – Lebron get ball on top key with Tony pick him up. Shaq come screen PNR and lebron drive get double kick to Anthony. Anthony drive with ray try to cover Vare come screen. Anthony floater on KG. Vare get Oreb pass to West for a MISSED 3pt ( DTOs10-11 EDTOs5 ADAs2 RPDL7 )
P19 = 18.25 – Lebron get ball on logo then Vare come screen PNR. Lebron drive get triple team but bad pass to Anthony at 3pt line get hit out bound ( Triple1 DTOs12-13-14 EDTOs6-7 BPDL1 ) ( Cav ball )
P19 = 19.05 get ball on wing and shoot a 3pt cause of shot clock missed ( FGA3 T2 OCT2 )
P20 = 19.47 – Lebron cut backdoor to post get ball with tony on him. Lebron drive but get trip so Foul ( FD2 FTA2-3 FTM2-3 )
P21 = 22.08 – Lebgron get ball at 3pt line drive on tony allen bad pass to Vare in paint TOV ( BPDL2 )
P22 = 23.00 – Bron bring ball up drive pull up jump shot at the wing ( BB7 FGA4 FGM2 M1 OCT3 )
P23 = 23.24 – west bring ball up drive kick to to Hickson who missed
P24 = 25.28 – west bring ball up so bron screen switch. West bad pass to bron but bron still able to get it drive get double for a foul in paint ( FD3 FTA4-5 FTM4 Double3 )
P25 = 26.42 – lebron bring ball up with rondo on him. He dribble around abit to waste the final shot clock. Powe come screen so bron fake drive see 3 defender on his path to the paint so kick to west at 3pt line who fake then drive get block ( DTOs15-16-17 EDTOs8-9 ADAs3 EPDL1 P’Creation2 ) ( Cav ball )
P25 = 27.16 – West get ball and give to bron with 2 sec left. Bron fake drive pull up long 2pt on tony missed ( FGA5 M2 OCT4 )
Q2 Offense
P26 = 37.47 – Lebron get ball near logo drive on allen with shaq screen but Perkin edge so bron pass to Antawn at 3pt linr who drive pass to west punp fake pass back to Antawn who missed ( DTOs18 ADAs4 RPDL8 )
P27 = 38.04 – lebron bring ball up with Paul close him up and rondo catching to help so bron pass to open Anthony who pass to Antawn get block ( BB8 DTOs19-20-21 EDTOs10-11 P’Creation3 EPDL2 )
P28 = 38.50 – Lebron waiting at 3pt line when west ISO ball get block
P29 = 40.10 – Lebron get ball at 3pt line pass to shaq then cut to basket. Shaq make shot of postup
P30 = 40.50 – Bron bring ball up post up rondo to paint attempt lay get block by perkins retake the Oreb but got foul ( BB9 FGA6 P1 OCT5 FD4 Oreb1 OBx1 ) ( cav ball )
P30 = 41.40 – Lebron drive get triple make a bouce pass to Anthony. Anthony can’t handle the ball and TOV ( triple2 DTOs22-23-24 EDTO12-13 RPDL9 )
P31 = 43.01 – Lebron running around paint offball then go out for ball at logo but get foul by allen ( FD5 FTA6-7 FTM5 )
P32 = 45.10 – lebron get ball corner drive on allen but perkin come double and KG on lane so Bron jump pass to antwan in paint for layup ( Double4 DTOs25-26-27 EDTOs14-15 R’Creation1 ADAs5 EPDL3 )
P33 = 45.34 – Lebron get ball then Antawn come screen allen so bron blow by KG and get double in paint but layup and ONE ( Double5 FGA7 R2 Oct6 FD6 FTA8 FTM6 )
P34 = 46.50 – bron bring ball up pass to mo at half court. Mo drive with bron cutting to basket but Mo get foul ( BB10 )
P35 = 47.51 – Lebron bring ball up fast break see 2 defender on his lane so kick to Anthony but bad pass TOV ( Could be Creation but bad pass ) ( BB11 DTOs28-29 EDTOs16 BPDL3 )
P36 = 48.38 – Bron get ball then play PNR with shaq. Lebron get double so bounce pass to shaq but KG rotate to meet shaq at rim. Shaq get foul ( Double6 Dto30-31 EDTOs17 RPDL10 )
P37 = 49.50 – Lebron go the post when Antawn get ball at rim for a layup from MO
P38 = 50.12 – Bron bring ball up passs to antawn at top keys. Then go offball post up on rondo at ft line but didn’t get the pass ( BB12 )
P39 = 52.00 – Lebron get ball top keys take ball off to logo then drive jump shot but ball get poke out his hand TOV ( FGA8 M2 OCT7 )
P40 = 52.30 – bron bring ball up drive in trasnsition get foul by allen ( FD7 FTA9-10 FTM7 )
P41 = 54.22 – Anthony pump fake and miss a 3pt when bron was at FT line
Q3 offense
P42 = 55.30 – Lebron get ball on the wing with Ray on him so Antawn come to screen but KG edge even before the screen is set. Lebron dribble by and KG + allen trip on each other so bron drive bounce pass to Antawn rolling for open dunk ( DTOs32-33-34-35 EDTOs18-19-20 EPDL3 R’Creation2 )
P43 = 55.52 – Mo bring ball up so Bron screen on rondo ( SC2 )
P44 = 57.40 – Bron get ball at half court with paul on him then KG switch on bron. Pass to Antawn at corner who drive get foul ( cav ball )
P44 = 58.10 – entry pass to shaq and get ball back. KG and Paul try to come on him and shaq roll to basket. Bron fake pass to shaq and pass to Antawn for open dunk ( DTO36-37 EDTOs21 ADAs6 R’Creation3 EPDL4 )
P45 = 58.42 – lebron bring ball up in transition and pass to Antawn when the defense didn’t set yet. Antawn drive hand off to shaq for a dunk ( BB13 DTO38-39 EDTOs22 P’Creation4 RPDL11 )
P46 = 59.25 – Mo bring ball up get kick ball ( CAV ball )
P46 = 59.47 – Bron get ball at top keys then drive layup on PP ( FGA9 FGM3 R3 OCT8 )
P47 = 101.13 – Bron get ball at 3ptline drive gte double then pass to shaq at rim who got foul ( DTOs40-41 EDTO23 RPDL12 R’Creation4 double7 )
P48 = 102.40 – Parker hit 3pt while bron at the wing
P40 = 103.00 – Mo bring ball Up so bron cut to basket . Mo drive hand off to shaq for a dunk
P50 = 103.38 -Mo bring ball Up get kick ball ( CAV BALL )
P50 = 104.00 – Bron get ball in corner but missed 3pt ( FGA10 T3 OCT9 )
P51 = 104.25 – Parker fastbreak pass to shaq at paint for easy layup
P52 = 105.14 – Brom at to the paint when Antawn get pass deflected out
P53 = 106.02 – Lebron go in paint but parker pass for bron get intercepted mid way
P54 = 107.42 – Bron bring ball Up drive get double but shot an toght fall away ( BB13 Double8 FGA11 FGM4 M3 OCT10 )
P55 = 108.54 – Mo bring ball Up dribble top key then made a 3pt
P56 = 111.03 -Bron bring ball Up drive get double and the ball got stole ( BB15 Double9 )
P57 = 112.20 – Lebron PNR with vare. Bron drive get double with another player attemptinga steal them bron bounce pass to vare for a layup ( DTOs42-43-44 EDTOs24-25 EPDL5 Double10 R’Creation5 )
P58 = 112.54 – bron bring ball Up then Antwan come screen. Lebron drive get 3 defender around him so pass yo MO for a 3pt ( BB16 DTOs 45-46-47 EDTOs26-27 ADAs7 P’Creation5 EPDL6 )
P59 = 114.06 – Bron get ball top key Vare come screen so bron drive get double pass to west who fake 3pt then get foul ( DTOs48-49-50 EDTO28-29 ADAs8 RPDL13 P’Creation6 )
P60 = 117.20 – Lebron get ball drive see double team coming so pass but get intercepted ( BPDL4 )
P61 = 117.35 – bron bring ball Up PNR with Vare bring 4 defender in Paint then pass to Mo who missed 3pt ( BB17 DTOs51-52-53-54 EDTOs30-31-32 EPDL6 P’Creation7 )
Q4 Offense
P62 = 119.27 – Parker TOV
P63 120.00 – Bron pump fake 2 time then shoot 3pt missed ( FGA12 T4 OUCT1 )
P64 = 121.25 – Bron bring ball up get double pass to parker. Get ball back drive pass to Hickson get ball back dribble out see double te4am coming pass to west who pass to parker missed 3pt ( DTOs55-56 EDTO33 RPDL14 Double11 / DTOs57-58-59 EDTO34-35 RPDL15 / DTOs60-61 EDTO36 RPDL16 P’creation8 ADAs9 )
P65 = 122.10 – Bron get ball at 3pt line see soft double so pass inside for Hictson. Loses ball TOV
P66 = 123.12 – Lebron bring ball Up get pick up half court by Rondo. Drive thru rondo but miss layup ( BB18 FGA13 R4 OCT11 )
P67 = 123.48 – Bron moving around backline when west drive layup got block
P68 = 124.50 – Lebron PNR with Vare. Bron see double coming bounce pass to vare who did get ball in time TOV ( DTOs62-63 EDTos37 BPDL5 )
P69 = 125.20 – Bron at 3pt line when Mo drive TOV
P70 = 126.00 – Amtawn miss wild open 3pt when bron at the wing
P71 = 127.05 – Bron bring ball Up PNR with Vare see lane block so give to mo who drive made shot ( BB19 )
P72 = 127.45 – Bron bring ball Up Antawn come screen lebron fake shoot then pass to open Antawn who drive pass to vare for a layup ( BB19 DTOs64-65 ADAs10-11 RPDL17 P’Creation9 )
P73 = 128.11 – bron bring ball Up fast break dunk ( BB20 FGA14 FGM5 R5 OUCT2 )
P74 = 129-56 – Bron post up at elbow get ball then pull back to top keys drtive on KG get double in Paint for a layup and ONE ( FGA15 FGM6 R6 OCT13 Double12 FD8 FTA11 FTM8 )
P75 = 131.15 – Bron cut backdoor to get pass at corner drive get double then pass to Antawn ar corner who drive pass to jame miss layup ( DTOs66-67 EDTOs38 P’Creation10 RPDL18 / FGA16 R7 OUCT3 )
P76 = 132.24 - – Bron cut backdoor to get pass at wing get sofr double see Vare cutting so pass to Vare for a layup and ONE ( DTOs68-69 EDTOs39 R’Creation6 RPDL19 )
P77 = 133.51 – Mo get foul by KG ( Cav ball )
P77 = 134.20 – Antawn miss layup while bron at corner
P78 = 135.00 – Lebron get ball at ft line then KG switch on him lebron pull back fake drive pass to vare miss open long 2pt ( DTOs70 RPDL20 )
P79 = 137.54 – Bron get ball PNR with MO get pick on by KG. pass back to Mo who drive pass to Antawn who loses ball
P80 = 139.41 – Bron get inbound pass drive but miss layup ( FGA17 R8 OCT14 )
P81 = 141.10 – Parker bring ball up then miss a pull up 3pt
P82 = 141.50 – Bron bring ball up then pull 3pt miss ( BB21 FGA18 T5 OCT 15 )
P83 = 142.20 – MO drive in fastbreak get foul
P84 = 145.00 – bron bring ball up but get double full court pass to mo who got foul by KG
P85 147.12 – Mo get inbound pass drive miss layup
END

Q1 Defense
P1 = 0.36 – Bron guardeing Paul on top key then KG come screen lebron cannot get pass the screen so shaq switch to Paul pull up jump shot ( PPDs1 )
P2 = 1.20 – Lebron on the elbow off ball and Paul is on 3pt line
P3 = 2.10 – ray allen post mo William lebron try to come help but too late
P4 = 3.10 – Rondo bring ball up hand off to Paul so lebron try to close out but get blow by. Paul drive but charge foul on Anthony ( PPD2 IPPD1 )
P5 = 4.30 – Bron guard Paul offball when ray hit a 3pt
P6 = 5.20 – Bron at elbow with Paul offball but CAV 3SEC foul ( Celtic ball )
P7 = 6.10 – ray allen get ball dribble to FT line bron come help so ray pass out to rondo who drive layup on contest ( HPD1 )
P8 = 6.40 – lebron switch on KG offball at elbow when rondo drive split layup on shaq + Anthony

P9 = 6.53 – Paul get ball in transition try to drive but bron pick him up. Paul backdown pass to KG in post ( PPD3 EPPD1 )
P10 = 7.40 – Lebron at the elbow with Paul then switch on rondo off ball. KG drive get foul on Antawn
P11 = 8.54 – Rondo bring ball up from transition. Lebron come from behide to to snatch the ball out and Cav ball ( PPD4 EPPD2 )
P12 = 9.20 – Lebron comeback defense in the paint roaming. Then try to close out on ray allen who got the ball at 3pt line. Allen blow by with bron on his side and meet shaq in paint for a floater ( PPD5 IPPD2 DUCT1 )
P13 = 9.49 – Rondo take ball fast break attempt drive on Anthony lebron who was on Perkins come help close the lane, Rondo kick to allen at 3pt line Missed 3pt. Paul Oreb get foul ( HPD2 EHPD1 )
P14 = 11.45 – Lebron set on elbow guard Paul offball. Rondo drive split defense for floater missed. Perkin foul offball
P15 = 14.23 – Lebron on tony allen. Rondo pass to tony but he pass back. Rondo lob to KG who cut backdoor on shaq
P16 = 15.04 – Lebron on post off ball guarding tony allen. When rondo hit a open jumper with KG Screening
P17 = 16.10 – Tony bring ball up so lebron is on him and force him to pass. Lebron follow tony to short corner but Rasheed come screen so tony cut back door for the ball in paint. Lebron get out screen and catch up in time. Tony pass back. Rondo dribble around abd miss his shot. Lebron boxout with tony in paint. Long rebound that Antawn loses it and end in tony hand. Who drive on Antawn for a foul ( PPD6 PP1 DBX1 )
P18 = 18.04 – Rondo bring ball up fast break lebron meet him at the paint and contest the shot make him miss. But KG steal Rebound from Vare for a lay up ( PP2 EPP1 DCT1 )
P19 = 19.10 – Rondo fast break drive on Anthony. Bron was tony coming back in transition
P20 = 21.00 _ lebron on elbow with tony when ray drive ge ball hit out hand by Vare ( Celtic ball )
P20 = 21.50 – Tony allen get ball top keys so lebron close out and contest shot ( PPD7 EPDD2 DCT2 )
P21 = 22.45 – Cav foul on rondo at Celtic court
P22 = 23.06 – Ray initiating fastbreak and drive but BAD defensive communication by the cav so lebron who was on Tony try to help but too late
P23 = 24.00 – lebron guard tony at FT line when Hickson foul Rasheed
P24 = 26.35 – Rondo pull up jump shot on west. When bron was on ft line with tony
P25 = 27.25 – Rondo get ball for yhe last shot but didn’t shoot in time
Q2 defense
38.00 – rondo get an outlet pass at rim attempt layup. Lebron follow try to catch up but too late. Rondo missed. Lebron get rebound ( Dreb1 Ndbx1 )
38.10 – Rondo get ball for the fast break lebron attempt steal at celtic half but fail. Rondo pass to KG to allen for 3pt ( PPD8 IPPD3 )
39.00 – rondo take ball up fast break. Lebron try to take a charge but get call BLOCKING FOUL at the rim ( PP3 IPP1 )
40.40 - Lebron follow Paul around off ball when ray miss a 3pt
42.08 – Rondo bring ball up in trasnsition nearly blow by Anthony so lebron come help but shaq foul rondo on weak side ( HPD3 )
44.10 – Lebron off ball on paul when Anthony foul rondo on drive
45.20 – Lebron recovery defense in transition but KG get an outlet pass at paint and Antawn is too slow to catch up so KG layup
46.38 – Lebron follow Paul offball then switch on rondo cause Paul screen Anthony. Rondo is force to pass to Paul who pump fake and miss a contested 2pt. lebron get Dreb ( PPD9 Dreb2 EP1 Ndbx2 )
47.46 – Lebron offball on paul then allen drive so bron attempt help but allen get ball stole before lebron come
48.20 – Lebron guard Paul at corner then come roam at post but rondo beat Anthony off dribble for a layup
49.30 – Lebron follow Paul around offball. Rondo BULLY Anthony off dribble and find KG for a long 2pt
50.00 – KG post up Antawn to paint so lebron come help and jump contest so KG decide to pass out pass to allen miss shot. Rondo try rebound but hit ball to lebron hand ( HPD4 EHPD2 PP4 EPP2 DCT3 DREB3 EP2 Ndbx3 )
50.40 – Paul get ball so bron attempt steal but fail. Bron recover and come on paul so paul pass out. Bron see KG open get ball so bron come help on KG so KG pass out to paul. Paul pass to rondo for a drive pass to davis for a foul ( PPD10 HPD5 )
52.15 – Rondo drive layup on fastbreak miss. Lebron boxout for rebound. Davis got Rebiund but ball hit out his hand in paint ( DBX2 PP5 EPP3 )
53.56 – Lebron switch on rondo so rondo pass back to paul. Paul drive floater on Anthony
54.50 – Paul drive on Anthony so bron and Vare come help contest. Paul bad pass TOV ( HPD6 EHPD3 DCT4 )
Q3 Defense
55.00 _ lebron with Paul in post area and switch on rondo in paint when KG post up for a score
55.48 – Paul get ball at 3pt line Lebron try close out get screen but get pass that for contest the shot ( DCT6 PPD11 EPPD3 )
56.10 – Bron on Paul but KG come screen so bron switch. KG get ball with lebron try to defend the post up. Lebron foul KG ( PP5 IPP2 )
58.30 – Bron on the post then grab the rebound ( Dreb4 Nbdx4 EP3 )
59.12 – Bron at elbow with PP
100.05 – Bron at wing with PP then KG get ball so Bron try to go help but KG get foul first
102.13 – Bron on ball guard against tony allen. Tony attempt drive but lebron pick up so he pass to KG and bron double KG then tony cut get ball but get ball knock out ( PPD12EPPD4 )
102.55 – Lebron roam at paint and Allen hit corner 3pt
103.15 – Bron guard rondo but get screen by KG. Lebron get pass screen and go double rondo in post area. Rondo bad pass to KG near TOV. Them Allen drive layup on antawn ( PPD13 HPD7 EHPD4 )
104.14 – Rondo get ball ft line lebron pick him up. Rondo pass
104.48 – Bron roam at post see allen drive to basket so Lebron try to close out but tony allen offensive foul
105.45 – lebron in post see rondo drive so he close out to contest and rondo missed ( PP6 DCT7 )
106.50 – Lebron switch offball between tony to rondo. Shaq block shot out bound ( Celtic ball )
107.20 – Lebrom in post with tony while KG miss shot but rondo rebound. Rondo drive on parker missed
108.10 – Tony cut get ball so lebron contest at paint with shaq help. Tony get foul on a pass ( PP7 EPP4 DCT8 ) ( celtic ball )
108.45 – Allem drive layup on parker
109.12 – Lebron roam around wing post allen miss shot then rondo got rebound pass to allen at rim who lebron jump block shot ( PP8 EPP5 DCT8 ) ( Celtic ball )
109.57 – Tony get ball so bron pick up. Tony pass out. Allen attempt shot then lebron get rebound near the line so pass back. Ball loses JUMP ball ( Dreb5 NDbx 5) ( Celtic win jump ball )
111.00 – Lebron boxout tony for rebound ( Dreb6 Dbx 3)
111.16 – tony attempt fast break drive but lebron attempt steal make him pass to KG. Bad communication by bron and Vare so rondo cut to basket get ball then lay up ( PPD14IPPD4 )
112.40 – Bron with tony in post see perkin cut so he go on perkin but perkin let pass fly to rondo. Lebron close out in paint area so rondo pass. Lebron swith on tony off ball then get rebound ( D.reb7 NDbx 6 EP4 )
113.10 – Lebron in paint with tony see rondo drive so he contest shot but foul rondo ( PP9 IPP3 DCT9 )
116.20 – Lebron at ft line then attempt help in paint but Vare foul first
117.58 – Bron with rondo at 3pt line when PP missed shot, rondo foul Antawn for FTA
Q4 Defense
119.30 – Lebron try defend fast break. Contest Tony at rim but tony pass to rondo for a bucket ( PP10 DCT10 )
120.45 – Bron on PP off ball. Rondo pass get deflected ( Celtic ball )
121.10 – Lebron deny room for PP to get the ball. Rondo missed contested 3pt
121.48 – Rondo try outlet fastbreak pass but TOV
122.20 – Davis get out let fastbreak pass. Lebron not fast enout to contest so davis mad layup
123.30 – Lebron help hickson on tony at corner then go back to PP. Tony drive layup on Hickson ( HPD8 )
123.56 – Rondo bounce pass to davis for layup when bron is near top keys
125.00 – tony fast break layup. Bron not close for contest
125.40 – Lebron tight guard PP on ball make him loses handle but Davis drive to get ball pass out. PP get ball and bron contest 3pt make him miss ( PPD15-16 EPPD5 DCT11 )
126.45 – PP get bron so ball guard tight. PP pass out. Davis get ball post up Antawn then bron come help take ball away ( PPD17 EPPD6 HPD9 EHPD5 )
127.34 – Rondo pull up on parker when Lebron was with PP at wing
128.07 – Rondo drive get ball stole by Parker. Bron get the ball then go fast break
129.37 – Bron g=fight for position near paint with Wallace, then Wallace try rebound but push out
131.00 – Bron roam at FT line when Wallace miss shot Vare rebound
131.30 – tony get bounce pass from rondo in paint so Lebron contest block shot but MO foul tony
133.10 – Lebron in post when allen miss shot and KG get rebound on the other post. KG post up lebron see Rondo open so he off ball close out. Tony get ball then make tough layup ( OBD1 EOBD1 )
134.30 – Rondo fast break layup miss. Lebron boxout with Perkin for rebound but perkin foul Bron (FD9 )
135.23 – Perkin get ball in post open force vare to close out leave KG open so bron pick him up off ball then switch on Tony when Vare come back on KG ( OBD2 ) ( CELTIC BALL losesd ball foul on Antawn )
136.15 – Lebron fight position with PP then follow him to corner. Vare intercept the pass but get foul fot FTA
137.20 – PP get ball so bron close out force to pass then bron follow PP around. Allen get ball drive get shot block but rondo get ball bounce pass to PP who cut back door to bron. Bron try contest but fail ( PP11 IPP4 DCT12 )
138.16 – Bron at post with PP when KG miss shot but ball fall in rondo hand who make the shot
141.40 – Perkin foul parker in transition
142.10 – Bron in post when allen shot 3pt miss
143.57 – Bron foul tony to get ball
146.03 – Mo fpoul rondo for ball
END

RESUME of LEBRON 2010 vs celtic Game 4
Total Possession of play when lebron was on the floor – 85

Playmaking
-DTOs ( Defender take out ) - 70
-EDTOs ( Extra defender taken out ) - 39
- ADAs ( Additional Defenders Affected ) - 11
-Double - 12
-Triple - 2
-Création - 17
~ R’Creation ( Rim ) - 7
- P’Creation ( Prerimeter ) - 10
-SC ( Screen ) - 2
- EPDL( Elite pass delivery ) - 9
- RPDL ( Regular pass delivery ) - 20
- BRDL ( Bad pass delivery ) – 5
- BB ( Bring ball up ) - 21
Scoring
-FGA - 18
-FGM - 7
-M ( midrange ) – 4 ( 2/4 )
-P ( Post shot ) – 1 ( 1/1 )
-R ( Rim : lay up / dunk ) – 8 ( 4/8 )
-T ( 3pt ) – 5 ( 0/5 )
-PB ( Putback ) - 0
-FTA - 11
- FTM - 8
-OCT ( Offensive Contest ) - 15
-OUCT ( Offensive Uncontested ) - 3
Rebound
-O-Reb ( offensive Rebound ) - 1
-*Obx ( Offensive Box Out for Oreb ) -0
-*Nobx ( Non offensive Boxout Oreb) - 1
- D-reb ( defensive Rebound ) - 7
- Dbx ( defensive box out for Dreb ) - 3
- Ndox ( non defensive box out ) – 6
- EP ( Empty paint ) - 4
Defense
-PPs ( Primary Protection ) - 12
- EPP - 5
- IPP - 4
- PPDs ( Primary Perimeter defendings ) - 17
– EPPD - 6
- IPPD - 4
- DCT ( Defensive contest ) - 12
- NDCT ( non contest ) - 0
- HPD ( help defense ) – 9
- EHPD – 5
- IHPD - 0
- OBD ( Offball defense against advantageous position ) – 2
- EOBD - 1
- IOBD - 0