Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade/Waiver Thread

[winsomme2]

Interesting notes:

https://www.clnsmedia.com/thoughts-on-celtics-trades-finalizing-and-the-damian-lillard-pursuit/

TL/DR, no additional trade is imminent from Boston. Horford is not likely to retire. He'll sign somewhere. Bobby seems to think there's at least some chance he could resign with Boston..and he also thinks Lillard could possibly sign here..

Simons/Niang could still be traded but no deal is imminent. Barring something unforeseen happening, they won't be traded anytime soon.

My 2 cents: We'll get under the 2nd apron but probably not completely under the tax. We're barely over 2nd apron now so it could be just dumping someone like Walsh/Tillman/JD that gets us under the 2nd apron..

thats because no one wants either of them.

Brad **** up in trading for them

Niang has been traded twice, just in the past few months. Simons was just traded.

There have been many other trades in recent years involving players who are somewhat similar to Niang and Simons (Like Larry Nance Jr, Nic Batum, PJ Washington, Kyle Anderson, Grant Williams, Simone Fontecchio, Joe Ingles, Kevin Love, Norman Powell, Jalen Green, Terry Rozier, Malik Monk, Zach lavine, Demar Derozan, Jordan Poole, CJ McCollum, etc.)

Both Niang and Simons are good players, on expiring contracts, and are fully healthy. It shouldn't be that hard to move them, if we wanted to.

They might be easier to move during the season depending on how things play out.

If they were currently easy to move, i think they’d already be gone.

[Larry_Russell]

Resetting the repeater tax penalty IS NOT A PRIORITY - Brad Stevens

SO he traded Kristaps and Jrue at well below their market value to "make the team better"

Simons, Niang, Garza are obviously vastly superior to Jrue, Kristaps, Luke and Horford.

Are you deliberately trying not to understand? It's about basketball penalties.

Did you not listed to Brad when he said that reseting the tax penalty is NOT A PRIORITY!

if you take Brad at his own **** word then he traded them for "basketball reasons" because "resetting the tax penalty IS NOT A PRIORITY"

[jfs1000d]

https://sports.yahoo.com/article/jayson-tatum-gives-celtics-fans-193028042.html

Will Jayson Tatum play next season

If Justin Tatum's estimation proves true, then Tatum may be able to play during the 2025–2026 regular season, as an eight- to nine-month recovery time places his return during February or March.

Justin Tatum is not a doctor and is not employed by the Celtics. I take what he says with a grain of salt. He is obviously biased towards his son and just wants to see his son out there playing sooner rather than later.

Here's where Marc Spears says what Justin Tatum said:

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"His dad said he expects him to be out 8-9 months". But who is his dad to say that? Is Justin Tatum a doctor? Is Justin Tatum the one on the Celtics medical staff who's in charge of leading Jayson through his rehab? No and no. So his dad saying this means nothing.

In that same article it also says:

"Tatum's likelihood of playing in the 2025 – 2026 regular season is doubtful, ESPN reporting said." and "There is no official timetable for Tatum's return to regular season action."

Chat GPT says: the Celtics are planning as though he’ll miss the entire 2025–26 regular season, with a possible (but unlikely) return in the postseason."

Also, no one comes back from a torn achilles in less than 10.5 months. So it makes no sense for Justin Tatum to say that his son will be back in 8-9 months. He's just being an optimistic dad.

Issue is the DPE. Tatum, would be out 13 months by June 15. If he could play by June 15, medically, they wont get the DPE.

His surgery is May 13. Could he play within one year or 13 months of surgery? Probably, though doubt Celtics would play him.

If it is a 9 month timetable, we are looking mid February for him or lillard.

It is interesting to think about.


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[fallguy]

SO he traded Kristaps and Jrue at well below their market value to "make the team better"

Simons, Niang, Garza are obviously vastly superior to Jrue, Kristaps, Luke and Horford.

Are you deliberately trying not to understand? It's about basketball penalties.

Did you not listed to Brad when he said that reseting the tax penalty is NOT A PRIORITY!

if you take Brad at his own **** word then he traded them for "basketball reasons" because "resetting the tax penalty IS NOT A PRIORITY"

Wait. What do we disagree about? To be clear, it seems to me that:

They traded guys they didn't ideally want to trade (KP, Jrue) to get below the second apron to create more freedom to make basketball moves. NOT primarily to save money.

Is this your take as well?

[winsomme2]

SO he traded Kristaps and Jrue at well below their market value to "make the team better"

Simons, Niang, Garza are obviously vastly superior to Jrue, Kristaps, Luke and Horford.

Are you deliberately trying not to understand? It's about basketball penalties.

Did you not listed to Brad when he said that reseting the tax penalty is NOT A PRIORITY!

if you take Brad at his own **** word then he traded them for "basketball reasons" because "resetting the tax penalty IS NOT A PRIORITY"

Resetting the tax is from getting below the first apron. The basketball penalties happen above the second apron.

I think Brad is saying they are getting below the second apron for basketball reasons but it’s not a priority to get below the first apron.

[zoyathedestroya]

I have too small of a brain so I’m reductive this way so the cost of signing Jays to their supermaxes, while afforded us a title, is losing KP, Jrue, Al, and Luke.

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[Larry_Russell]

I have too small of a brain so I’m reductive this way so the cost of signing Jays to their supermaxes, while afforded us a title, is losing KP, Jrue, Al, and Luke.

the unwillingness to trade Brown cost the team the ability to keep all those guys and the reason we have trash like Simons, Garza, those drafft picks, niang on the roster as well.

[fallguy]

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[Memokerobi]

Keeping Simons and Niang, giving them heavy minutes in the rotation and flipping them at the deadline is totally fine by me. There will be teams that want them in February for sure.

I also think there is a chance we extend Niang because he’s a capable 7th-8th guy in a playoff rotation and won’t be super expensive.

[winsomme2]

If Brad is being totally straight with us about us all knowing this moving of players was coming, then why did he sign Jrue to that extension?

[fallguy]

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[fallguy]

Keeping Simons and Niang, giving them heavy minutes in the rotation and flipping them at the deadline is totally fine by me. There will be teams that want them in February for sure.

I also think there is a chance we extend Niang because he’s a capable 7th-8th guy in a playoff rotation and won’t be super expensive.

Agreed on all points.

[jfs1000d]

Kobe Bryant tore his achilles in April 2013 and 8 months later, Kobe returned to action in December 2013.

I think 8 months is aggressive. 11 months to a year seems appropriate.

Timing of Injury matters in these areas. Durant sat out 18 months because his injury happens in Finals. He took an extra six months.

Tatum, he probably medically could Play by April 1. But why would we do that?

If Tatum kills the rehab, maybe Feb. 1? I bet Tatum targeting Feb. 15 (10 months!) Will Brad play him? Probably not.


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[jfs1000d]

Interesting notes:

https://www.clnsmedia.com/thoughts-on-celtics-trades-finalizing-and-the-damian-lillard-pursuit/

TL/DR, no additional trade is imminent from Boston. Horford is not likely to retire. He'll sign somewhere. Bobby seems to think there's at least some chance he could resign with Boston..and he also thinks Lillard could possibly sign here..

Simons/Niang could still be traded but no deal is imminent. Barring something unforeseen happening, they won't be traded anytime soon.

My 2 cents: We'll get under the 2nd apron but probably not completely under the tax. We're barely over 2nd apron now so it could be just dumping someone like Walsh/Tillman/JD that gets us under the 2nd apron..

thats because no one wants either of them.

Brad **** up in trading for them

For the new year I like both. Niang a decent bench piece. Simons a mad bomber that I assume will get traded for cheaper at deadline.


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[fallguy]

If Brad is being totally straight with us about us all knowing this moving of players was coming, then why did he sign Jrue to that extension?

Possibly it was the price to keep him off the open market where lots of teams would have been after him.

[jfs1000d]

Brad certainly hinting there is a very very small c chance Al is back.

I think he pretty much said he’s gone. He said the guys will have to step up and into what Al brought (leadership). I can’t remember the exact words but they seemed to me say, “we tried, but he’s not coming back.”

At first it felt like he was trying to keep things on the fence, but he kept talking.

IMO, Brad is more honest in the things he says than DA was, it’s like he doesn’t fully understand how to play the media. He has said a few times he doesn’t know is he should say things, but then he gets to talking and eventually he really just tells it how it is. Go back and listen at any of his interviews, you’ll hear him tell everything that’s going to happen and you’ll realize how honest the man has been. Maybe he hasn’t been in it long enough, maybe Danny was like that too in the beginning, but he hasn’t said anything that hasn’t come true yet. I’m not saying the man can’t lie, but he may need to get better at it.


Once everything is done, I’m going to look back at this presser and I’m sure I’ll hear him saying exactly what happened, because it has been that way in the past.

Second apron. Lux tax, not as necessary. They can't go over the 2nd apron.


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thats because no one wants either of them.

Brad **** up in trading for them

Niang has been traded twice, just in the past few months. Simons was just traded.

There have been many other trades in recent years involving players who are somewhat similar to Niang and Simons (Like Larry Nance Jr, Nic Batum, PJ Washington, Kyle Anderson, Grant Williams, Simone Fontecchio, Joe Ingles, Kevin Love, Norman Powell, Jalen Green, Terry Rozier, Malik Monk, Zach lavine, Demar Derozan, Jordan Poole, CJ McCollum, etc.)

Both Niang and Simons are good players, on expiring contracts, and are fully healthy. It shouldn't be that hard to move them, if we wanted to.

They might be easier to move during the season depending on how things play out.

If they were currently easy to move, i think they’d already be gone.

It's definitely easier to execute trades during the offseason than it is during the regular season. Partly because the rosters are expanded (teams can carry up to 21 guys on offseason roster, rather than just 18 in reg season - 15 standard + 3 2-ways).

Partly because there's no games going on so the trade value of players isn't constantly fluctuating based on their game to game performance, guys aren't getting injured so that also makes the trade value for each player more stable..it can take awhile to negotiate and finalize a deal - so it's good to have peace of mind knowing that the players involved in that deal, their trade value isn't going to keep changing every other day as more games are played and as injuries happen..

As for the bold part, that's your opinion but I'm not seeing much of substance to support it. Brad seemed pretty happy today to welcome Simons and Niang to the team...

[jfs1000d]

Resetting the repeater tax penalty IS NOT A PRIORITY - Brad Stevens

SO he traded Kristaps and Jrue at well below their market value to "make the team better"

Simons, Niang, Garza are obviously vastly superior to Jrue, Kristaps, Luke and Horford.

Kristaps playe 40 games and wasn't good. Jrue was 11 ppg.

Those trades were made to get under the apron. If JT was around I bet Zinger may have been back.


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[jfs1000d]

SO he traded Kristaps and Jrue at well below their market value to "make the team better"

Simons, Niang, Garza are obviously vastly superior to Jrue, Kristaps, Luke and Horford.

Are you deliberately trying not to understand? It's about basketball penalties.

Did you not listed to Brad when he said that reseting the tax penalty is NOT A PRIORITY!

if you take Brad at his own **** word then he traded them for "basketball reasons" because "resetting the tax penalty IS NOT A PRIORITY"

Oh my god. I feel like we are talking to the white house press secretary.

The 2nd apron is not the luxury tax.

They had, at all costs, decided to get under the second apron. They are not as concerned with the luxury tax.

You are conflating second apron with luxury tax


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