Lauri and Kessler to CLT?

[jayjaysee]

Just a random bad idea. Charlotte Jazz.

Utah: Lauri and Kessler

Charlotte: Bridges, Green, and… Okogie or Connaughton (work around aggregating by making it two different trades) or just keep it simple with a vet min… 2026 Charlotte first (top 6 protected 2x), 2027 Dallas first, 2029 worst of Cleveland/Utah/Minn

Utah gets a 3 firsts for their two good players and fully commits to the tank letting Bailey throw up as many shots as he wants. Their 26.5 mil TPE becomes a 32 million Lauri TPE..

Charlotte gets a starting center and starting power forward and go for a playoff birth.

Kessler/Lauri/Miller/Sexton/Ball
Diabate/Grant/Liam/Kon/Mann

[MasterIchiro]

In place of that 2026 Hornets 1st I'd prefer to substitute 2 outside 1sts, 1 Heat 2027, 1 lesser of Magic/Grizzlies 2026.

[Mavrelous]

Love the idea for both teams

[jayjaysee]

In place of that 2026 Hornets 1st I'd prefer to substitute 2 outside 1sts, 1 Heat 2027, 1 lesser of Magic/Grizzlies 2026.

I just wanted to get the pick debt out the way the first year for CLT.

Utah should be happy to get your counter though.

[MasterIchiro]

In place of that 2026 Hornets 1st I'd prefer to substitute 2 outside 1sts, 1 Heat 2027, 1 lesser of Magic/Grizzlies 2026.

I just wanted to get the pick debt out the way the first year for CLT.

Utah should be happy to get your counter though.

Charlotte would prefer the flexibility to leverage their full plate of unprotected 1sts for a big move for a star given the salary commitment to Lauri 195 million plus the raise due Kessler.

Because many or all of those 4 outside 1sts may be later in the first round, Hornets can replace those cheap contracts with the surplus of 2nd round picks. I think Charlotte has about 12 we can use over the years to swoop into the late first round.

[jayjaysee]

In place of that 2026 Hornets 1st I'd prefer to substitute 2 outside 1sts, 1 Heat 2027, 1 lesser of Magic/Grizzlies 2026.

I just wanted to get the pick debt out the way the first year for CLT.

Utah should be happy to get your counter though.

Charlotte would prefer the flexibility to leverage their full plate of unprotected 1sts for a big move for a star given the salary commitment to Lauri 195 million plus the raise due Kessler.

Because many or all of those 4 outside 1sts may be later in the first round, Hornets can replace those cheap contracts with the surplus of 2nd round picks. I think Charlotte has about 12 we can use over the years to swoop into the late first round.

I didn’t (and don’t) think Charlotte would trade for Lauri and Kessler and then turn around and trade 4 unprotected firsts in another move the same season.

Maybe next summer if they want to pivot, but think with the Sexton trade and adding the other two Jazz players they’d be happy to see the season play out..

But again, I think Utah takes your counter.

[pipfan]

Let me try-I like this idea for both

Char sends Bridges to Miami and PatC/Okogie to Utah, along with Dallas 2027 1st, Miami 2027 1st and the 2029 1st (worst of Minny/Clev/Utah)
Char gets Lauri/Kessler

Miami sends Rozier to Utah
Miami gets Bridges

Utah sends Lauri/Kessler to Char
Utah gets Rozier/PatC/Okogie plus 3 firsts

Utah saves A TON of $ and adds more picks
Miami gets a cheap talent upgrade
Char goes for it
Ball/Sexton
Kon/Green/Mann
Miller/LiamM/GrantW
Lauri/Salaun/Diabate
Kessler/Plumlee/Kalkbrenner

Ball could really put up some huge assist numbers

[jayjaysee]

Let me try-I like this idea for both

Char sends Bridges to Miami and PatC/Okogie to Utah, along with Dallas 2027 1st, Miami 2027 1st and the 2029 1st (worst of Minny/Clev/Utah)
Char gets Lauri/Kessler

Miami sends Rozier to Utah
Miami gets Bridges

Utah sends Lauri/Kessler to Char
Utah gets Rozier/PatC/Okogie plus 3 firsts

Utah saves A TON of $ and adds more picks
Miami gets a cheap talent upgrade
Char goes for it
Ball/Sexton
Kon/Green/Mann
Miller/LiamM/GrantW
Lauri/Salaun/Diabate
Kessler/Plumlee/Kalkbrenner

Ball could really put up some huge assist numbers

I like that better for Utah obviously. Though they lose the fun 33 mil TPE.. still would have their current TPE though..

I don’t know if Bridges would fit Miami… he plays the right position though…

[SkyHook]

Let me try-I like this idea for both

Char sends Bridges to Miami and PatC/Okogie to Utah, along with Dallas 2027 1st, Miami 2027 1st and the 2029 1st (worst of Minny/Clev/Utah)
Char gets Lauri/Kessler

Miami sends Rozier to Utah
Miami gets Bridges

Utah sends Lauri/Kessler to Char
Utah gets Rozier/PatC/Okogie plus 3 firsts

Utah saves A TON of $ and adds more picks
Miami gets a cheap talent upgrade
Char goes for it
Ball/Sexton
Kon/Green/Mann
Miller/LiamM/GrantW
Lauri/Salaun/Diabate
Kessler/Plumlee/Kalkbrenner

Ball could really put up some huge assist numbers

I like that better for Utah obviously. Though they lose the fun 33 mil TPE.. still would have their current TPE though..

I don’t know if Bridges would fit Miami… he plays the right position though…

I like this better, though I wouldn't move Kessler and would prefer to forego one of the FRPs.

For teams that are under the first apron ($178,132,000 for the 2024-25 season), the STPE can be used to take in up to $250,000 more than its value. For instance, a $10 million STPE can bring back a player earning up to $10,250,000 in salaries. Or it can be used to take back two players earning $5,250,000 each (as separate transactions). https://www.sportsbusinessclassroom.com/listing-the-current-nba-trade-exceptions/

Rosier fits the Collins TPE + $250K limit. Do it as three transactions for the Jazz with Love for Okogie and Lauri for Connaughton (to avoid aggregation) and the Jazz generate a new $38.9MM TPE by my math.

[HadAnEffectHere]

Jazz have almost certainly agreed under the table to a massive extension with Kessler in exchange for him being willing to throw 7 games last year. They can't trade him.

It probably won't get announced until next summer to preserve cap space, but they'll probably give him like 5/175 or something stupid like that.

[JRoy]

Just a random bad idea. Charlotte Jazz.

Utah: Lauri and Kessler

Charlotte: Bridges, Green, and… Okogie or Connaughton (work around aggregating by making it two different trades) or just keep it simple with a vet min… 2026 Charlotte first (top 6 protected 2x), 2027 Dallas first, 2029 worst of Cleveland/Utah/Minn

Utah gets a 3 firsts for their two good players and fully commits to the tank letting Bailey throw up as many shots as he wants. Their 26.5 mil TPE becomes a 32 million Lauri TPE..

Charlotte gets a starting center and starting power forward and go for a playoff birth.

Kessler/Lauri/Miller/Sexton/Ball
Diabate/Grant/Liam/Kon/Mann

CHA really shouldn’t be sending out FRP until they are close to being a playoff team.

[SkyHook]

Jazz have almost certainly agreed under the table to a massive extension with Kessler in exchange for him being willing to throw 7 games last year. They can't trade him.

It probably won't get announced until next summer to preserve cap space, but they'll probably give him like 5/175 or something stupid like that.

I am almost certain that these suppositions only exist in your mind.

[HadAnEffectHere]

Jazz have almost certainly agreed under the table to a massive extension with Kessler in exchange for him being willing to throw 7 games last year. They can't trade him.

It probably won't get announced until next summer to preserve cap space, but they'll probably give him like 5/175 or something stupid like that.

I am almost certain that these suppositions only exist in your mind.

There is zero chance Kessler was willing to be the main guy responsible for throwing 7 games (immediately after the Jazz refused to trade him to the Lakers) without huge financial compensation. The 7 DNP-Rests against bottom 8 teams in the league are a massive stain on him when he could have competed for the WCF if the Jazz moved him to the Lakers. Especially considering that he was playing for his rookie extension.

Kessler was the key guy behind the tank last year, he has to be made whole.

Is this bad for the Jazz? Yeah, they probably shouldn't have intentionally thrown games.

If the Jazz forced Kessler to throw 7 games WITHOUT an extension already in place, I'm guessing he would have demanded a trade this summer.

I think Jazz fans really haven't internalized how disgraceful what we did was even though this summer was basically the team apologizing to the league for doing it. It was a massive blackeye for the league that is mostly on Kessler's resume. They have to overpay him a lot.

[HornetJail]

Melo/Mann/Miller/Markkanen/Kessler
Sexton/Kon/McNeeley/GWill/Diabate
Dinwiddie/NSJ/Sion/Salaun/Kalkbrenner
+ Grant Williams + Plumlee
?

yeah I'm in. i'd offer some 2nds for slightly stronger protection on the pick (top 8 or top 10, just in case) but this is the strongest top 8 the Hornets have had since the 90s

[SkyHook]

Jazz have almost certainly agreed under the table to a massive extension with Kessler in exchange for him being willing to throw 7 games last year. They can't trade him.

It probably won't get announced until next summer to preserve cap space, but they'll probably give him like 5/175 or something stupid like that.

I am almost certain that these suppositions only exist in your mind.

There is zero chance Kessler was willing to be the main guy responsible for throwing 7 games (immediately after the Jazz refused to trade him to the Lakers) without huge financial compensation. The 7 DNP-Rests against bottom 8 teams in the league are a massive stain on him when he could have competed for the WCF if the Jazz moved him to the Lakers. Especially considering that he was playing for his rookie extension.

Kessler was the key guy behind the tank last year, he has to be made whole.

Is this bad for the Jazz? Yeah, they probably shouldn't have intentionally thrown games.

If the Jazz forced Kessler to throw 7 games WITHOUT an extension already in place, I'm guessing he would have demanded a trade this summer.

I think Jazz fans really haven't internalized how disgraceful what we did was even though this summer was basically the team apologizing to the league for doing it. It was a massive blackeye for the league that is mostly on Kessler's resume. They have to overpay him a lot.

I am almost certain that these suppositions only exist in your mind.

[HadAnEffectHere]

I am almost certain that these suppositions only exist in your mind.

There is zero chance Kessler was willing to be the main guy responsible for throwing 7 games (immediately after the Jazz refused to trade him to the Lakers) without huge financial compensation. The 7 DNP-Rests against bottom 8 teams in the league are a massive stain on him when he could have competed for the WCF if the Jazz moved him to the Lakers. Especially considering that he was playing for his rookie extension.

Kessler was the key guy behind the tank last year, he has to be made whole.

Is this bad for the Jazz? Yeah, they probably shouldn't have intentionally thrown games.

If the Jazz forced Kessler to throw 7 games WITHOUT an extension already in place, I'm guessing he would have demanded a trade this summer.

I think Jazz fans really haven't internalized how disgraceful what we did was even though this summer was basically the team apologizing to the league for doing it. It was a massive blackeye for the league that is mostly on Kessler's resume. They have to overpay him a lot.

I am almost certain that these suppositions only exist in your mind.

You think Kessler gladly went along with being the face of intentionally throwing 7 games without any extension agreed upon?

Why would he be willing to throw 7 games, never say a word about it, and not ask for a trade this summer without being compensated?

[SkyHook]

There is zero chance Kessler was willing to be the main guy responsible for throwing 7 games (immediately after the Jazz refused to trade him to the Lakers) without huge financial compensation. The 7 DNP-Rests against bottom 8 teams in the league are a massive stain on him when he could have competed for the WCF if the Jazz moved him to the Lakers. Especially considering that he was playing for his rookie extension.

Kessler was the key guy behind the tank last year, he has to be made whole.

Is this bad for the Jazz? Yeah, they probably shouldn't have intentionally thrown games.

If the Jazz forced Kessler to throw 7 games WITHOUT an extension already in place, I'm guessing he would have demanded a trade this summer.

I think Jazz fans really haven't internalized how disgraceful what we did was even though this summer was basically the team apologizing to the league for doing it. It was a massive blackeye for the league that is mostly on Kessler's resume. They have to overpay him a lot.

I am almost certain that these suppositions only exist in your mind.

You think Kessler gladly went along with being the face of intentionally throwing 7 games without any extension agreed upon?

Why would he be willing to throw 7 games, never say a word about it, and not ask for a trade this summer without being compensated?

I can do this all day.

I am almost certain that these suppositions only exist in your mind.

[HadAnEffectHere]

I am almost certain that these suppositions only exist in your mind.

You think Kessler gladly went along with being the face of intentionally throwing 7 games without any extension agreed upon?

Why would he be willing to throw 7 games, never say a word about it, and not ask for a trade this summer without being compensated?

I can do this all day.

I am almost certain that these suppositions only exist in your mind.

You can keep saying this, but we're going to have to make everyone whole after what we did. Hardy's career was permanently stained from what we did so we had to reward him with a five year extension. Kessler's career was stained just as much and he'll have to get a massive extension too.

[pipfan]

Let me try-I like this idea for both

Char sends Bridges to Miami and PatC/Okogie to Utah, along with Dallas 2027 1st, Miami 2027 1st and the 2029 1st (worst of Minny/Clev/Utah)
Char gets Lauri/Kessler

Miami sends Rozier to Utah
Miami gets Bridges

Utah sends Lauri/Kessler to Char
Utah gets Rozier/PatC/Okogie plus 3 firsts

Utah saves A TON of $ and adds more picks
Miami gets a cheap talent upgrade
Char goes for it
Ball/Sexton
Kon/Green/Mann
Miller/LiamM/GrantW
Lauri/Salaun/Diabate
Kessler/Plumlee/Kalkbrenner

Ball could really put up some huge assist numbers

I like that better for Utah obviously. Though they lose the fun 33 mil TPE.. still would have their current TPE though..

I don’t know if Bridges would fit Miami… he plays the right position though…

It's a gamble for Miami, but Bridges is a big, free talent upgrade.
Utah would have unlimited cap space next year, plus more picks

[stitches]

I'm not saying this is not enough value for Walker and Lauri, because I've been shocked by the value various players have returned in recent weeks, but IMO if this is the value we can get back, we should probably just keep both of them. Unless you are getting an asset that has even small chance of turning into something substantial I don't see the reason we should trade them. We already have a ton of firsts coming our way in the next few years, we will have hard time rostering all those picks anyways... without adding 3 more out of lottery picks... and then put a top 6 protection on the one of them that has even the slightest shot of becoming a top pick.