Warriors Free Agency 2025

[vvoland]

It makes so much sense to wait until Feb and actually be able to trade for a ~40M dollar player when putting JK, Moody, and Buddy together. If they punt on JK for some team's 4/5th guard, no offense to Devin Carter, this would be just awful asset management

Yea it would be terrible asset management. That's what happens when you have a meddling owner

I think this current situation is more on Kerr.
Not due to the benching, but due to the post-season media run where he tells anyone willing to listen that he doesnt think JK is a good fit. Had told the media, “I thought he wasnt fitting well and we needed to win games, but he sure did prove me wrong when he finally got minutes in the playoffs. If we’re lucky enough to bring him back, we will make it work.”

Instead he said, “look i need to win games and jk doesnt fit. If we pay him a lot of money of course we will play him.”

Other teams read that stuff too. They know Kerr doesnt want him on the team, why would they give up anything of value. Just dumb dumb move by Kerr driven entirely by ego.

Yeah, it was very puzzling to hear Kerr do that. Considering, ego management is Steve's thing, to do this passive aggressive nonsense is highly unusual. I agree that he did the org and jk no favors with all that.

[Schmooftie]

Just an unfortunate situation for the Warriors and JK where neither side will likely entirely get what they actually want.
Seems like JK will have to do a S&T potentially to a team he doesn't really want and for less money - and the Warriors will likely end up with pieces back which are much less than they had anticipated.

[Senchu]

The chatter with De’Anthony Melton to the Lakers has cooled and there has been more “buzz” with him going to the Warriors, per @jovanbuha


Lets go!

[AirP.]

It makes so much sense to wait until Feb and actually be able to trade for a ~40M dollar player when putting JK, Moody, and Buddy together. If they punt on JK for some team's 4/5th guard, no offense to Devin Carter, this would be just awful asset management

Yea it would be terrible asset management. That's what happens when you have a meddling owner

The reporting has been that the FO is split on JK, as is the coaching staff. I doubt it's 50/50 but I also don't think lacob's JK's only fan in the organization.

As much as the board doesn't want to admit it, there is a lot to like about JK and what he can be. There's even some things to like about he's already been.

There really is no reason to sell him now for "a player to be waived later." I don't think there's anything irreparable here, on either end, and if we come up with the best offer, I don't think he'll leave. Come the deadline, we'll see

He does have talent, he is a scorer, I just don't know how you build a contender with him as one of your top 2 offensive options in this era. He's just a slightly bigger version of Corey Maggette except in the 3pt era. Doesn't create for others, doesn't shoot 3s very well but is very athletic and can get his. I just don't know how you win with that type of player near the top of your roster. He has a career .583 TS% which is good, especially without a good 3pt shot, but his career calculated ORG is 113 which is basically average. He did have a 117 calculated ORTG in 23-24 which was 11th out of the 18 roster players that season. This season he was 17th of 23 roster players for calculated ORTG with the only rotation players under him being Draymond, Schroeder, Melton and Waters.

I would not be surprised at all if he ends up around a 20ppg guy in the NBA, I just don't think he'll win all that much with how he plays. He's a top scorer for a bad team type of player.

[Onus]

It makes so much sense to wait until Feb and actually be able to trade for a ~40M dollar player when putting JK, Moody, and Buddy together. If they punt on JK for some team's 4/5th guard, no offense to Devin Carter, this would be just awful asset management

Yea it would be terrible asset management. That's what happens when you have a meddling owner

The reporting has been that the FO is split on JK, as is the coaching staff. I doubt it's 50/50 but I also don't think lacob's JK's only fan in the organization.

As much as the board doesn't want to admit it, there is a lot to like about JK and what he can be. There's even some things to like about he's already been.

There really is no reason to sell him now for "a player to be waived later." I don't think there's anything irreparable here, on either end, and if we come up with the best offer, I don't think he'll leave. Come the deadline, we'll see

FO is split, you mean the other Lacobs still like JK? JK really represents the last lottery prospect of the Lacob era and really just emphasizes how much of a failure the front office has been at drafting and extending the dynasty. Which is why they've been so hesitant to move off of JK because it would signal that they **** up. They got no value out of their main assets which they were preparing for life after Curry and only hindered Curry's timeline in the meantime, their best franchise player of all time.

If this FO really liked the thought of JK and what JK could become if he just played his role they would've traded up for Adou Thierro and taken whatever they could get for JK. Instead they traded down and drafted more players like Moody and Gui.

Since MDJ has taken over they have repeatedly moved away from players like JK. Except JK is still here and "they're split on him".

JK is a finisher. He can be an elite finisher. He's probably avg at creating his own shot, but he wants to do it all the time even though it's bad offense for the team. He's had some flashes of good defense but is rather inconsistent on that end. I think really the biggest thing is game plan discipline and iq. The game has become so much more read and react, making split decisions to take advantage of the slightest mishaps, that it's going to be extremely hard to win with slow processing.

I agree that taking back Devin Carter now would be a horrible return, but the assets coming back for JK has just been getting worse and worse (OG, Siakam, Caruso, Lauri, Cam, and now DC). At some point you just have to accept that you failed and move on so that both parties can get what they want rather than holding both parties back because of some perceived upside that doesn't fit what the coach is trying to do.

I'm not advocating for Devin Carter, I would advocate for expanding the trade to include players that they want from the Kings.

[Onus]

It makes so much sense to wait until Feb and actually be able to trade for a ~40M dollar player when putting JK, Moody, and Buddy together. If they punt on JK for some team's 4/5th guard, no offense to Devin Carter, this would be just awful asset management

Yea it would be terrible asset management. That's what happens when you have a meddling owner

I think this current situation is more on Kerr.
Not due to the benching, but due to the post-season media run where he tells anyone willing to listen that he doesnt think JK is a good fit. Had told the media, “I thought he wasnt fitting well and we needed to win games, but he sure did prove me wrong when he finally got minutes in the playoffs. If we’re lucky enough to bring him back, we will make it work.”

Instead he said, “look i need to win games and jk doesnt fit. If we pay him a lot of money of course we will play him.”

Other teams read that stuff too. They know Kerr doesnt want him on the team, why would they give up anything of value. Just dumb dumb move by Kerr driven entirely by ego.

Yea that was a terrible admission by Kerr, and then Kerr had to do the media rounds to clear that up. But really I don't think teams care all that much about that. Look at the teams that are/were interested in JK. WAS, NOP, SAC, CHI, MIA. They're all terrible franchises except MIA who is just looking to buy low. There was no serious interest in JK. So Kerr messing up a market that wasn't there whatever just means we bring JK back at a lower price so I guess the Lacobs should be thanking Kerr for that.

[azwfan]

Yea it would be terrible asset management. That's what happens when you have a meddling owner

I think this current situation is more on Kerr.
Not due to the benching, but due to the post-season media run where he tells anyone willing to listen that he doesnt think JK is a good fit. Had told the media, “I thought he wasnt fitting well and we needed to win games, but he sure did prove me wrong when he finally got minutes in the playoffs. If we’re lucky enough to bring him back, we will make it work.”

Instead he said, “look i need to win games and jk doesnt fit. If we pay him a lot of money of course we will play him.”

Other teams read that stuff too. They know Kerr doesnt want him on the team, why would they give up anything of value. Just dumb dumb move by Kerr driven entirely by ego.

Yea that was a terrible admission by Kerr, and then Kerr had to do the media rounds to clear that up. But really I don't think teams care all that much about that. Look at the teams that are/were interested in JK. WAS, NOP, SAC, CHI, MIA. They're all terrible franchises except MIA who is just looking to buy low. There was no serious interest in JK. So Kerr messing up a market that wasn't there whatever just means we bring JK back at a lower price so I guess the Lacobs should be thanking Kerr for that.

Well we dont know how much it messed up the market, but it certainly didnt help. And this is the leader. If thats whats said in the media, one can only wonder what is said to JK when there are no microphones around. No wonder he wants out. Can’t blame him. If I were in JK’s shoes I would want out also.

[Onus]

I think this current situation is more on Kerr.
Not due to the benching, but due to the post-season media run where he tells anyone willing to listen that he doesnt think JK is a good fit. Had told the media, “I thought he wasnt fitting well and we needed to win games, but he sure did prove me wrong when he finally got minutes in the playoffs. If we’re lucky enough to bring him back, we will make it work.”

Instead he said, “look i need to win games and jk doesnt fit. If we pay him a lot of money of course we will play him.”

Other teams read that stuff too. They know Kerr doesnt want him on the team, why would they give up anything of value. Just dumb dumb move by Kerr driven entirely by ego.

Yea that was a terrible admission by Kerr, and then Kerr had to do the media rounds to clear that up. But really I don't think teams care all that much about that. Look at the teams that are/were interested in JK. WAS, NOP, SAC, CHI, MIA. They're all terrible franchises except MIA who is just looking to buy low. There was no serious interest in JK. So Kerr messing up a market that wasn't there whatever just means we bring JK back at a lower price so I guess the Lacobs should be thanking Kerr for that.

Well we dont know how much it messed up the market, but it certainly didnt help. And this is the leader. If thats whats said in the media, one can only wonder what is said to JK when there are no microphones around. No wonder he wants out. Can’t blame him. If I were in JK’s shoes I would want out also.

This is soft that he doesn't actually want to do what the coaching staff tells them to do to get on and stay on the court. Instead of doing the work and exceling at what the coaching staff is asking him to do rather just walk away. Not going to have a long career with that attitude.

[azwfan]

Yea that was a terrible admission by Kerr, and then Kerr had to do the media rounds to clear that up. But really I don't think teams care all that much about that. Look at the teams that are/were interested in JK. WAS, NOP, SAC, CHI, MIA. They're all terrible franchises except MIA who is just looking to buy low. There was no serious interest in JK. So Kerr messing up a market that wasn't there whatever just means we bring JK back at a lower price so I guess the Lacobs should be thanking Kerr for that.

Well we dont know how much it messed up the market, but it certainly didnt help. And this is the leader. If thats whats said in the media, one can only wonder what is said to JK when there are no microphones around. No wonder he wants out. Can’t blame him. If I were in JK’s shoes I would want out also.

This is soft that he doesn't actually want to do what the coaching staff tells them to do to get on and stay on the court. Instead of doing the work and exceling at what the coaching staff is asking him to do rather just walk away. Not going to have a long career with that attitude.

If this “do what hes supposed to do” nonsense was the real reason he got benched, he would not have played when Steph was hurt.
If thats the real reason, he wouldnt have been playing in the time before he got hurt.

Looking out for yourself isnt soft, its smart. Smarter would have been to take the 30m extension last offseason (if that was truly offered), but better late than never. Hes young, he probably didnt think the coach would try to deliberately limit his market in free agency - ala Moody.

[vvoland]

Yea that was a terrible admission by Kerr, and then Kerr had to do the media rounds to clear that up. But really I don't think teams care all that much about that. Look at the teams that are/were interested in JK. WAS, NOP, SAC, CHI, MIA. They're all terrible franchises except MIA who is just looking to buy low. There was no serious interest in JK. So Kerr messing up a market that wasn't there whatever just means we bring JK back at a lower price so I guess the Lacobs should be thanking Kerr for that.

Well we dont know how much it messed up the market, but it certainly didnt help. And this is the leader. If thats whats said in the media, one can only wonder what is said to JK when there are no microphones around. No wonder he wants out. Can’t blame him. If I were in JK’s shoes I would want out also.

This is soft that he doesn't actually want to do what the coaching staff tells them to do to get on and stay on the court. Instead of doing the work and exceling at what the coaching staff is asking him to do rather just walk away. Not going to have a long career with that attitude.

I am far less comfortable psychoanalyzing young men without having ever met them.

You don't think he has the tools, vision, or mentality to play at a high level? Sure. Plenty to talk about there. Unless you're in the room, really hard to speculate on what the coaching staff is asking of him and even harder to know if he's actually doing what being asked. Soft would be the last word I would apply to a guy that's been banging his head against the wall for four years, trying to get on the court.

JK had more roles here than Brando in his prime. He excelled in a few, failed in a few, and treaded water for the rest.

[vvoland]

Yea it would be terrible asset management. That's what happens when you have a meddling owner

The reporting has been that the FO is split on JK, as is the coaching staff. I doubt it's 50/50 but I also don't think lacob's JK's only fan in the organization.

As much as the board doesn't want to admit it, there is a lot to like about JK and what he can be. There's even some things to like about he's already been.

There really is no reason to sell him now for "a player to be waived later." I don't think there's anything irreparable here, on either end, and if we come up with the best offer, I don't think he'll leave. Come the deadline, we'll see

He does have talent, he is a scorer, I just don't know how you build a contender with him as one of your top 2 offensive options in this era. He's just a slightly bigger version of Corey Maggette except in the 3pt era. Doesn't create for others, doesn't shoot 3s very well but is very athletic and can get his. I just don't know how you win with that type of player near the top of your roster. He has a career .583 TS% which is good, especially without a good 3pt shot, but his career calculated ORG is 113 which is basically average. He did have a 117 calculated ORTG in 23-24 which was 11th out of the 18 roster players that season. This season he was 17th of 23 roster players for calculated ORTG with the only rotation players under him being Draymond, Schroeder, Melton and Waters.

I would not be surprised at all if he ends up around a 20ppg guy in the NBA, I just don't think he'll win all that much with how he plays. He's a top scorer for a bad team type of player.

Most of what you just said could have been used to describe almost all great scorers, particularly early in their careers.

Mike was selfish and wasn't a winning player. Kobe rode the bench for two years. Tmac got traded before his rookie deal expired.

Before he got here, Wiggins was a low IQ, good stats, bad team guy. Many questioned his competitive nature and whether he even liked basketball. We all like to think it was Kerr and the system that turned wigs around. Maybe he just matured, as many people tend to do in their mid to late twenties.

I think the mags comp is fair but I see that as the floor. The ceiling is much higher though, also, less likely.

If we were the league's best offense, really needed help on defense, and JK was surplus to requirements, this thread would be less weird to me. In fact, we have the opposite problem and JK is one of the few players we have to throw at it.

But sure, let's sell low because the alternative is... What? Signing him to a bargain contract and giving him 50 games to find a groove with Steph, dray, and Jimmy? Don't threaten me with a good time.

P.S. before the strawman brigade comes out, I am clearly not saying, or implying, that JK is Mike, Kobe, or tmac. Crazy that I even have to name that disclaimer....

[Onus]

Well we dont know how much it messed up the market, but it certainly didnt help. And this is the leader. If thats whats said in the media, one can only wonder what is said to JK when there are no microphones around. No wonder he wants out. Can’t blame him. If I were in JK’s shoes I would want out also.

This is soft that he doesn't actually want to do what the coaching staff tells them to do to get on and stay on the court. Instead of doing the work and exceling at what the coaching staff is asking him to do rather just walk away. Not going to have a long career with that attitude.

Looking out for yourself isnt soft, its smart. Smarter would have been to take the 30m extension last offseason (if that was truly offered), but better late than never. Hes young, he probably didnt think the coach would try to deliberately limit his market in free agency - ala Moody.

If looking out for yourself is smart then you shouldn't be playing a team oriented game. If you want to make money and only want to rely on yourself then you need to play tennis. Unfortunately he chose basketball which relies on others and how you play with others and fitting into a team.

His market was already limited. It's known how much money is potentially available before the summer. He or his agent should've known there was not a lot of cap space this summer and it was in his best interest to take the money offered before hitting an open market with no money available. That would've been smart.

[vvoland]

This is soft that he doesn't actually want to do what the coaching staff tells them to do to get on and stay on the court. Instead of doing the work and exceling at what the coaching staff is asking him to do rather just walk away. Not going to have a long career with that attitude.

Looking out for yourself isnt soft, its smart. Smarter would have been to take the 30m extension last offseason (if that was truly offered), but better late than never. Hes young, he probably didnt think the coach would try to deliberately limit his market in free agency - ala Moody.

If looking out for yourself is smart then you shouldn't be playing a team oriented game. If you want to make money and only want to rely on yourself then you need to play tennis. Unfortunately he chose basketball which relies on others and how you play with others and fitting into a team.

His market was already limited. It's known how much money is potentially available before the summer. He or his agent should've known there was not a lot of cap space this summer and it was in his best interest to take the money offered before hitting an open market with no money available. That would've been smart.

looking out for yourself IS smart, if you do it in a smart way. Spreewell was also looking out for himself but that didn't go so well. LBJ, on the other hand, is looking out for himself and, not only has the rings to prove it, will likely become to first sports billionaire.

It's not black and white. While taking that contract last summer would have been smart for JK, it would have killed our chances to compete. I wish JK well, but not at the expense of the team. all this talk about selfisness, low iq, etc just ignores all the data that indicates he drives significant team success when sharing the floor with our best players and, ideally, shooters.

[Onus]

Well we dont know how much it messed up the market, but it certainly didnt help. And this is the leader. If thats whats said in the media, one can only wonder what is said to JK when there are no microphones around. No wonder he wants out. Can’t blame him. If I were in JK’s shoes I would want out also.

This is soft that he doesn't actually want to do what the coaching staff tells them to do to get on and stay on the court. Instead of doing the work and exceling at what the coaching staff is asking him to do rather just walk away. Not going to have a long career with that attitude.

I am far less comfortable psychoanalyzing young men without having ever met them.

You don't think he has the tools, vision, or mentality to play at a high level? Sure. Plenty to talk about there. Unless you're in the room, really hard to speculate on what the coaching staff is asking of him and even harder to know if he's actually doing what being asked. Soft would be the last word I would apply to a guy that's been banging his head against the wall for four years, trying to get on the court.

JK had more roles here than Brando in his prime. He excelled in a few, failed in a few, and treaded water for the rest.

It's not psychoanalyzing when the coach himself says he wants JK to play like Shawn Marion, rebound, defend and score on the opportunities created for you. JK does 1 of those 3 things and constantly breaks the offense. We even have a report for the reason why he got benched, which was because he was breaking the offense and looking for his own shot. There is no need to psychoanalyze this situation. The coach has publicly announced what he wants JK to play like. There's reports on why JK was benched this year.

You're the one who wants to add psychoanalyzing to this by adding more to this than what has been said and reported.

[Onus]

Looking out for yourself isnt soft, its smart. Smarter would have been to take the 30m extension last offseason (if that was truly offered), but better late than never. Hes young, he probably didnt think the coach would try to deliberately limit his market in free agency - ala Moody.

If looking out for yourself is smart then you shouldn't be playing a team oriented game. If you want to make money and only want to rely on yourself then you need to play tennis. Unfortunately he chose basketball which relies on others and how you play with others and fitting into a team.

His market was already limited. It's known how much money is potentially available before the summer. He or his agent should've known there was not a lot of cap space this summer and it was in his best interest to take the money offered before hitting an open market with no money available. That would've been smart.

looking out for yourself IS smart, if you do it in a smart way. Spreewell was also looking out for himself but that didn't go so well. LBJ, on the other hand, is looking out for himself and, not only has the rings to prove it, will likely become to first sports billionaire.

It's not black and white. While taking that contract last summer would have been smart for JK, it would have killed our chances to compete. I wish JK well, but not at the expense of the team. all this talk about selfisness, low iq, etc just ignores all the data that indicates he drives significant team success when sharing the floor with our best players and, ideally, shooters.

Yes knowing when you have leverage and using that leverage is smart. However he has no leverage.

However looking out for yourself when it comes within a team concept and not acquiescing to the team who does have leverage over your next contract and your situation is not smart. So in order to help yourself, it's in your best interest that you help the team.

Also not being soft in this situation would be exceling at what the coaching staff is asking you to do and then exceeding your role that you've been given so well that the coach is forced to give you more opportunities.

[vvoland]

This is soft that he doesn't actually want to do what the coaching staff tells them to do to get on and stay on the court. Instead of doing the work and exceling at what the coaching staff is asking him to do rather just walk away. Not going to have a long career with that attitude.

I am far less comfortable psychoanalyzing young men without having ever met them.

You don't think he has the tools, vision, or mentality to play at a high level? Sure. Plenty to talk about there. Unless you're in the room, really hard to speculate on what the coaching staff is asking of him and even harder to know if he's actually doing what being asked. Soft would be the last word I would apply to a guy that's been banging his head against the wall for four years, trying to get on the court.

JK had more roles here than Brando in his prime. He excelled in a few, failed in a few, and treaded water for the rest.

It's not psychoanalyzing when the coach himself says he wants JK to play like Shawn Marion, rebound, defend and score on the opportunities created for you. JK does 1 of those 3 things and constantly breaks the offense. We even have a report for the reason why he got benched, which was because he was breaking the offense and looking for his own shot. There is no need to psychoanalyze this situation. The coach has publicly announced what he wants JK to play like. There's reports on why JK was benched this year.

You're the one who wants to add psychoanalyzing to this by adding more to this than what has been said and reported.

Haven't heard anyone call JK soft, as you did above at the mention that JK may not want to play here.

We had 1 report as to why he got benched at the end of this season. Kerr, however, said something like "we didnt' have time to work JK back into the lineup when he came back." In fact, I mostly agree as to the reasons he started racking up DNP-CDs late this season. I don't agree those reasons warranted the DNP-CDs but I am also not privy to the conversations that were had around those failings.

Care to explain why JK was losing time to anthony lamb? or why podz gets all the rope he can handle while JK rides the pine? Or why buddy hield is publicly introduced to steph curry in an attempt to get him to pass more but has no impact on the actual minutes played?

BTW, not all coaches have it right. I remember how keith smart and marc jackson wanted steph to play. Forget steph, the nba was allergic to 3pt shots and preferred contested 18 footers over open 3s for like 40 years. I think Kerr is a great coach but he overindexes in certain areas - like skill over size, passing over scoring, and defense over offense. I agree on all 3 of those, btw, but not to the degree Kerr does. In the end, I'm sure he's right far more often than I would be.

Even Kerr has, multiple times, admitted being wrong for not playing JK enough (or Moody or GP2 or ..). Does that carry more weight than his statements after this season? No. Are they worthless? Also, no.

[Onus]

Haven't heard anyone call JK soft, as you did above at the mention that JK may not want to play here.

I was implying it would be soft of JK if he thought the way azwfan was saying he would leave too if he was in JK's shoes. Not that JK is soft, but that mentality is soft.

Care to explain why JK was losing time to anthony lamb? or why podz gets all the rope he can handle while JK rides the pine? Or why buddy hield is publicly introduced to steph curry in an attempt to get him to pass more but has no impact on the actual minutes played?

Sure because Anthony Lamb could somewhat shoot and was a bigger wing body and was attempting to be in the right spots. While JK was all over the place and not in the right spots, and getting lost on defense.

He wasn't publicly introduced. It was obviously a light hearted joke because Steph was open and he wants good shot to great shot. Buddy had his minutes constantly up in the air as well when he started out as our 2nd best player to start the year but still wasn't getting to start even though Kerr had tried everyone else but Buddy.

BTW, not all coaches have it right. I remember how keith smart and marc jackson wanted steph to play. Forget steph, the nba was allergic to 3pt shots and preferred contested 18 footers over open 3s for like 40 years. I think Kerr is a great coach but he overindexes in certain areas - like skill over size, passing over scoring, and defense over offense. I agree on all 3 of those, btw, but not to the degree Kerr does. In the end, I'm sure he's right far more often than I would be.

Even Kerr has, multiple times, admitted being wrong for not playing JK enough (or Moody or GP2 or ..). Does that carry more weight than his statements after this season? No. Are they worthless? Also, no.

Sure Kerr could be wrong. But Kerr dictates JK's minutes. If Kerr says hey if you want to get minutes play defense and rebound then you should try to play defense and rebound to get minutes. Are you trying to say if JK was an elite defender and rebounder he wouldn't get minutes?

Kerr is wrong about a multitude of things, he's not some infallible coach. That has nothing to do with whether or not Kerr wants JK to play defense and rebound. Hell I would assume every coach would love for all their players to play defense and rebound.

[azwfan]

Haven't heard anyone call JK soft, as you did above at the mention that JK may not want to play here.

I was implying it would be soft of JK if he thought the way azwfan was saying he would leave too if he was in JK's shoes. Not that JK is soft, but that mentality is soft.

Care to explain why JK was losing time to anthony lamb? or why podz gets all the rope he can handle while JK rides the pine? Or why buddy hield is publicly introduced to steph curry in an attempt to get him to pass more but has no impact on the actual minutes played?

Sure because Anthony Lamb could somewhat shoot and was a bigger wing body and was attempting to be in the right spots. While JK was all over the place and not in the right spots, and getting lost on defense.

He wasn't publicly introduced. It was obviously a light hearted joke because Steph was open and he wants good shot to great shot. Buddy had his minutes constantly up in the air as well when he started out as our 2nd best player to start the year but still wasn't getting to start even though Kerr had tried everyone else but Buddy.

BTW, not all coaches have it right. I remember how keith smart and marc jackson wanted steph to play. Forget steph, the nba was allergic to 3pt shots and preferred contested 18 footers over open 3s for like 40 years. I think Kerr is a great coach but he overindexes in certain areas - like skill over size, passing over scoring, and defense over offense. I agree on all 3 of those, btw, but not to the degree Kerr does. In the end, I'm sure he's right far more often than I would be.

Even Kerr has, multiple times, admitted being wrong for not playing JK enough (or Moody or GP2 or ..). Does that carry more weight than his statements after this season? No. Are they worthless? Also, no.

Sure Kerr could be wrong. But Kerr dictates JK's minutes. If Kerr says hey if you want to get minutes play defense and rebound then you should try to play defense and rebound to get minutes. Are you trying to say if JK was an elite defender and rebounder he wouldn't get minutes?

Kerr is wrong about a multitude of things, he's not some infallible coach. That has nothing to do with whether or not Kerr wants JK to play defense and rebound. Hell I would assume every coach would love for all their players to play defense and rebound.

I fail to see how looking for a better opportunity for oneself is soft. As someone who recently left a job i hated for an unknown opportunity- id say leaving a bad situation for the unknown is the opposite of soft. But im sure you know better than I do.

[Onus]

Haven't heard anyone call JK soft, as you did above at the mention that JK may not want to play here.

I was implying it would be soft of JK if he thought the way azwfan was saying he would leave too if he was in JK's shoes. Not that JK is soft, but that mentality is soft.

Care to explain why JK was losing time to anthony lamb? or why podz gets all the rope he can handle while JK rides the pine? Or why buddy hield is publicly introduced to steph curry in an attempt to get him to pass more but has no impact on the actual minutes played?

Sure because Anthony Lamb could somewhat shoot and was a bigger wing body and was attempting to be in the right spots. While JK was all over the place and not in the right spots, and getting lost on defense.

He wasn't publicly introduced. It was obviously a light hearted joke because Steph was open and he wants good shot to great shot. Buddy had his minutes constantly up in the air as well when he started out as our 2nd best player to start the year but still wasn't getting to start even though Kerr had tried everyone else but Buddy.

BTW, not all coaches have it right. I remember how keith smart and marc jackson wanted steph to play. Forget steph, the nba was allergic to 3pt shots and preferred contested 18 footers over open 3s for like 40 years. I think Kerr is a great coach but he overindexes in certain areas - like skill over size, passing over scoring, and defense over offense. I agree on all 3 of those, btw, but not to the degree Kerr does. In the end, I'm sure he's right far more often than I would be.

Even Kerr has, multiple times, admitted being wrong for not playing JK enough (or Moody or GP2 or ..). Does that carry more weight than his statements after this season? No. Are they worthless? Also, no.

Sure Kerr could be wrong. But Kerr dictates JK's minutes. If Kerr says hey if you want to get minutes play defense and rebound then you should try to play defense and rebound to get minutes. Are you trying to say if JK was an elite defender and rebounder he wouldn't get minutes?

Kerr is wrong about a multitude of things, he's not some infallible coach. That has nothing to do with whether or not Kerr wants JK to play defense and rebound. Hell I would assume every coach would love for all their players to play defense and rebound.

I fail to see how looking for a better opportunity for oneself is soft. As someone who recently left a job i hated for an unknown opportunity- id say leaving a bad situation for the unknown is the opposite of soft. But im sure you know better than I do.

Your job has nothing in common with the NBA.

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Haven't heard anyone call JK soft, as you did above at the mention that JK may not want to play here.

I was implying it would be soft of JK if he thought the way azwfan was saying he would leave too if he was in JK's shoes. Not that JK is soft, but that mentality is soft.

Care to explain why JK was losing time to anthony lamb? or why podz gets all the rope he can handle while JK rides the pine? Or why buddy hield is publicly introduced to steph curry in an attempt to get him to pass more but has no impact on the actual minutes played?

Sure because Anthony Lamb could somewhat shoot and was a bigger wing body and was attempting to be in the right spots. While JK was all over the place and not in the right spots, and getting lost on defense.

He wasn't publicly introduced. It was obviously a light hearted joke because Steph was open and he wants good shot to great shot. Buddy had his minutes constantly up in the air as well when he started out as our 2nd best player to start the year but still wasn't getting to start even though Kerr had tried everyone else but Buddy.

BTW, not all coaches have it right. I remember how keith smart and marc jackson wanted steph to play. Forget steph, the nba was allergic to 3pt shots and preferred contested 18 footers over open 3s for like 40 years. I think Kerr is a great coach but he overindexes in certain areas - like skill over size, passing over scoring, and defense over offense. I agree on all 3 of those, btw, but not to the degree Kerr does. In the end, I'm sure he's right far more often than I would be.

Even Kerr has, multiple times, admitted being wrong for not playing JK enough (or Moody or GP2 or ..). Does that carry more weight than his statements after this season? No. Are they worthless? Also, no.

Sure Kerr could be wrong. But Kerr dictates JK's minutes. If Kerr says hey if you want to get minutes play defense and rebound then you should try to play defense and rebound to get minutes. Are you trying to say if JK was an elite defender and rebounder he wouldn't get minutes?

Kerr is wrong about a multitude of things, he's not some infallible coach. That has nothing to do with whether or not Kerr wants JK to play defense and rebound. Hell I would assume every coach would love for all their players to play defense and rebound.

Leaving after 4 years of the coach trying to shoehorn into his idea of what you need to be isn't soft. It may be wrong, stubborn, etc. but it's not soft. We may just have different definitions of that word and I'd rather not argue semantics. Let's just leave it.

Weird to see you defend the lamb decision. It was wrong then, it is wrong now. He was bad but slightly better than JK at the things Kerr valued. It was obvious Lamb would have no shot to contribute come playoff time and our hopes rested on development from JK and Moody. Instead, it was a year wasted and we KNEW we wouldn't be able to bring either back if they actually played ok (e.g. jerome). We still gave lamb and jerome minutes that needed to got to JK and Moody, that season, for impact THAT SEASON. At the very least, we'd all have more clarity about who those 2 players are.

It was "public" in that it was loud, in front of the team, and meant to make a point. Yes, buddy's minutes fluctuated. DNP-CDs, however, were only on the menu for TJD, Gui, Spencer, and JK. One of those things is not like the other.

Kerr has said a lot. Like, A LOT. Sure, if JK was an elite defender and rebounder, he'd play more. If he was a better shooter, he'd play more. If he was a better passer, he'd play more. Yes. My point is that he should have been playing more than he did, despite his flaws. NOT because he's so good. Because our other options are, and have been for years, worse.

Kerr is also very public about his criticism of some and not very public at all about others. He's also quick to pull the rope a certain type of player for the same mistakes a different player type makes. bigs vs guards, as the prime example. Defense is another great example. On this roster, JK is not the best defender, but he's not the worst. In many situations, he is our best on-ball defender, especially against bigger guards/wings. In many other situations, he's lost off-ball and transition. Though he's a very different player on that end, I'd say he's similar to Podz; another player that has glaring weaknesses and impressive strength on D. One has been LOCKED IN to 30+ minutes since his 2nd month in the league while JK is still fielding DNP-CDs. I can't imagine how hard it would be to sit on the sidelines and see that, especially when there are hundreds of millions on the line.

There are common workplace dynamics in all of these situations. If you were watching a younger and less talented co-worker keep getting promoted while getting your opportunities you'd probably have a reaction, especially after 4 years. I think most people agree that it's best for both parties to separate. Since this is sports, I'm hoping against logic that this isn't' beyond repair and both can get on the same page.