Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade/Waiver Thread

[Celts17Pride]

I have too small of a brain so I’m reductive this way so the cost of signing Jays to their supermaxes, while afforded us a title, is losing KP, Jrue, Al, and Luke.

the unwillingness to trade Brown cost the team the ability to keep all those guys and the reason we have trash like Simons, Garza, those drafft picks, niang on the roster as well.

You are acting like Brad Stevens traded 27 year old Jrue Holiday, 30 year old Al Horford decided to leave and multiple time all-star Luke Kornet left. Prozingis played in 60% of the regular season games as a Celtic and 60% of the playoff games. He was never available.

They are champions, they did their job. Time to go.

Edit: I still wouldn't have mind if Big Al and Luke were back.

[fallguy]

Are you deliberately trying not to understand? It's about basketball penalties.

Did you not listed to Brad when he said that reseting the tax penalty is NOT A PRIORITY!

if you take Brad at his own **** word then he traded them for "basketball reasons" because "resetting the tax penalty IS NOT A PRIORITY"

Oh my god. I feel like we are talking to the white house press secretary.

The 2nd apron is not the luxury tax.

They had, at all costs, decided to get under the second apron. They are not as concerned with the luxury tax.

You are conflating second apron with luxury tax


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Yeah, his post made no sense to me either. This explains it.

[redslastlaugh]

I love the fresh look and versatility in the front court.

Giving Neemi, Garza, Amari some run doesn't mean one of them is going to be the starter on the next title team.
The league always needs bigs, so you develop a big, upgrade his value around the league and then that's a valuable trade piece

Al Jefferson's development is what faciliated KG coming to Boston
Obviously, none of these guys are likely to demonstrate Big Al upside
But even Kendrick Perkins's development into a starting center returned 25 yr old Jeff Green and a first round pick in a trade

Develop these big men, to play or to trade! letsgo!

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[Gant]

Some notable info from that press conference:

Chisolm has told Brad to prioritize building the team (not money).

Stevens sees Garza and Minott as having talent, unrealized upside, and have a chance to be very impactful. They were stuck behind very very players. He particularly mentioned both being very good rebounders.

He had a lot of positive things to say about Simons and Niang as well. Simons is an elite shot maker and can get better.

The team is going to play differently next year. Some of the experimentation towards finding a new style will be seen in summer league.

There's no thought of tank or soft tank or any other tank at this time. "Compete like hell to win the next game."

There is no timeline for Tatum to return, and there won't be. He'll come back when he's fully ready.

The new and previously inexperienced big man rotation will have the opportunity to show what they've got.

me: It'll be a high energy team next season.


Ryan Bernardoni:
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@byjayking.bsky.social and @johnkaralis.com asked this question and Brad gave a clear "repeater tax is a thing but not a TOP priority" answer.

That along with his answer to the question before make it sound like the team they have could reasonably be the team they enter the season with.

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[winsomme2]

Niang has been traded twice, just in the past few months. Simons was just traded.

There have been many other trades in recent years involving players who are somewhat similar to Niang and Simons (Like Larry Nance Jr, Nic Batum, PJ Washington, Kyle Anderson, Grant Williams, Simone Fontecchio, Joe Ingles, Kevin Love, Norman Powell, Jalen Green, Terry Rozier, Malik Monk, Zach lavine, Demar Derozan, Jordan Poole, CJ McCollum, etc.)

Both Niang and Simons are good players, on expiring contracts, and are fully healthy. It shouldn't be that hard to move them, if we wanted to.

They might be easier to move during the season depending on how things play out.

If they were currently easy to move, i think they’d already be gone.

It's definitely easier to execute trades during the offseason than it is during the regular season. Partly because the rosters are expanded (teams can carry up to 21 guys on offseason roster, rather than just 18 in reg season - 15 standard + 3 2-ways).

Partly because there's no games going on so the trade value of players isn't constantly fluctuating based on their game to game performance, guys aren't getting injured so that also makes the trade value for each player more stable..it can take awhile to negotiate and finalize a deal - so it's good to have peace of mind knowing that the players involved in that deal, their trade value isn't going to keep changing every other day as more games are played and as injuries happen..

As for the bold part, that's your opinion but I'm not seeing much of substance to support it. Brad seemed pretty happy today to welcome Simons and Niang to the team...

The thing that happens during the season though is that teams get a little clearer about what their needs are.

The reports I read were that he was actively trying to reroute them.

[jfs1000d]

Also. Can we cool down on Amari? He's on a two way. He isn't going to be in the rotation this year.

Quetta/Tillman/Garza with Niang as a small ball 5 are the real options.


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[Shak_Celts]

If Brad is being totally straight with us about us all knowing this moving of players was coming, then why did he sign Jrue to that extension?

They may have kept the band together, if not for tatum’s injury, but that it was going to be a difficult decision, probably based on how we ended that series. Maybe they would have moved KP instead of both of them. I think it was harder for him to move jrue, by the way that he speaks about him.

There were other moves to be made if JT didn’t go down.

[Celts17Pride]

Also. Can we cool down on Amari? He's on a two way. He isn't going to be in the rotation this year.

Quetta/Tillman/Garza with Niang as a small ball 5 are the real options.


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I honestly don't trust Tillman after last year. I think the Celtics will get another big via trade or vet min before the season starts.

Edit: Could be Kenneth Lofton

[Hal14]

If Brad is being totally straight with us about us all knowing this moving of players was coming, then why did he sign Jrue to that extension?

Because the goal was to go all out, balls to the wall for a 2 year title window. 23-24 and 24-25. Best case scenario was winning back to back titles. Worst case scenario was winning 0 titles. But we definitely got a good outcome, by winning 1 title.

But at the time we signed Jrue to the extension, we had won 0 titles with this group but the goal was to lock all of our guys up so they were all under contract to try and win a title in 24-25.

That's why we signed Jrue to the extension. If we didn't, we risk having him walk away in free agency and losing him for nothing in the summer of 2024. And at the time, we hadn't won any titles yet. What if we fell short of the title in 2024 and lost Jrue to free agency in the summer of 2024? That would've been worst case scenario - Brad wasn't gonna let that happen.

And he still signed Jrue for much less than the maximum amount that Jrue was eligible to sign for.

And we got off his contract (after the 2 year title window ended) without having to give up any draft compensation, and while getting a good young player in the deal as well (Simons).

[redslastlaugh]

I think we really overpaid on Jrue's extension and we should have held off and negotiated in the summer.
If we had signed him to a more favorable deal, we'd have gotten more than we did in the Simons trade

And specifically, the concept that he was eligible for a larger extension so we got him for a discount is pretty meaningless
We have bird rights on Al Horford. He is eligible to sign for a max contract, around $50 million as an 18yr vet
but this is meaningless, we're not going to sign him for that, if we signed him for $40 million this wouldn't be an accomplisment because it was less than his max

But, I love Jrue. I would have liked to have kept him. And, it's a kind of moot now anyway

If Brad is being totally straight with us about us all knowing this moving of players was coming, then why did he sign Jrue to that extension?

And he still signed Jrue for much less than the maximum amount that Jrue was eligible to sign for.

And we got off his contract (after the 2 year title window ended) without having to give up any draft compensation, and while getting a good young player in the deal as well (Simons).

[WeLikeOurGuys]

This could genuinely be one of the Celtics’ weakest frontcourt rotations to open a season since before the Kevin Garnett trade. Given the current depth and injury concerns, even someone like Amir Johnson from the 2016 squad might start over this group.


It’s honestly that bad — and outside of Tatum, this might be one of the worst frontcourts in the league right now.

You're looking at something like: Center: Garza / Queta /Williams
PF: Tillman/Niang/Minot?

[phincsfan]

Some notable info from that press conference:

Chisolm has told Brad to prioritize building the team (not money).

Stevens sees Garza and Minott as having talent, unrealized upside, and have a chance to be very impactful. They were stuck behind very very players. He particularly mentioned both being very good rebounders.

He had a lot of positive things to say about Simons and Niang as well. Simons is an elite shot maker and can get better.

The team is going to play differently next year. Some of the experimentation towards finding a new style will be seen in summer league.

There's no thought of tank or soft tank or any other tank at this time. "Compete like hell to win the next game."

There is no timeline for Tatum to return, and there won't be. He'll come back when he's fully ready.

The new and previously inexperienced big man rotation will have the opportunity to show what they've got.

me: It'll be a high energy team next season.


Ryan Bernardoni:
‪

@byjayking.bsky.social and @johnkaralis.com asked this question and Brad gave a clear "repeater tax is a thing but not a TOP priority" answer.

That along with his answer to the question before make it sound like the team they have could reasonably be the team they enter the season with.

You know he has to say that to the fanbase.

[Hal14]

Also. Can we cool down on Amari? He's on a two way. He isn't going to be in the rotation this year.

Quetta/Tillman/Garza with Niang as a small ball 5 are the real options.


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Brad's words here seem to indicate Amari will have a chance for some rotation mins:

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Peterson was on a 2-way last year and got some solid rotational mins. The year before Queta got rotation mins when he was on a 2-way. And this season with it being a bridge year, lower expectations, we won't really be a contender and how thin we are at C, it would be pretty surprising if Amari doesn't get any rotation mins.

Many other players around the league in recent years have gotten rotation mins when they started the year on a 2-way (Jose Alvarado, Austin Reaves, GG Jackson, Vince Williams Jr, Duop Reath, Duncan Robinson, Scottie Pippen Jr, Jared Butler, Gabe Vincent, Caleb Martin, etc.)

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[phincsfan]

Also. Can we cool down on Amari? He's on a two way. He isn't going to be in the rotation this year.

Quetta/Tillman/Garza with Niang as a small ball 5 are the real options.


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I honestly don't trust Tillman after last year. I think the Celtics will get another big via trade or vet min before the season starts.

Tillman was very disappointing. IMO, his knees MUST be shot. He started last season with chunks of minutes than poof, nothing over 10mpg. You could say his play was poor, but I think his knees are cooked.

They also knew he'd probably fail any physical and that's why he's still on the roster.

I'd stretch the 2.5mil they owe him. 1.25mil over the next two years won't hurt IMO.

[fallguy]

This could genuinely be one of the Celtics’ weakest frontcourt rotations to open a season since before the Kevin Garnett trade. Given the current depth and injury concerns, even someone like Amir Johnson from the 2016 squad might start over this group.

I like them all getting real burn this year, results be damned. This will be the only season we can do this.

[winsomme2]

If Brad is being totally straight with us about us all knowing this moving of players was coming, then why did he sign Jrue to that extension?

They may have kept the band together, if not for tatum’s injury, but that it was going to be a difficult decision, probably based on how we ended that series. Maybe they would have moved KP instead of both of them. I think it was harder for him to move jrue, by the way that he speaks about him.

There were other moves to be made if JT didn’t go down.

That’s what I thought too but it sounds like what Brad is saying is that getting below the second apron was always going to happen this off season either way…

Maybe I’m hearing that wrong but that’s kinda how it’s coming across.

[phincsfan]

Also. Can we cool down on Amari? He's on a two way. He isn't going to be in the rotation this year.

Quetta/Tillman/Garza with Niang as a small ball 5 are the real options.


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Brad's words here seem to indicate Amari will have a chance for some rotation mins:

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Peterson was on a 2-way last year and got some solid rotational mins. The year before Queta got rotation mins when he was on a 2-way. And this season with it being a bridge year, lower expectations, we won't really be a contender and how thin we are at C, it would be pretty surprising if Amari doesn't get any rotation mins.

Many other players around the league in recent years have gotten rotation mins when they started the year on a 2-way (Jose Alvarado, Austin Reaves, GG Jackson, Vince Williams Jr, Duop Reath, Duncan Robinson, Scottie Pippen Jr, Jared Butler, Gabe Vincent, Caleb Martin, etc.)

If they feel that strongly about Amari than just give him a deal if he shows something in SL. Next season he'll cost more anyway because everything goes up in life.

[Celts17Pride]

This could genuinely be one of the Celtics’ weakest frontcourt rotations to open a season since before the Kevin Garnett trade. Given the current depth and injury concerns, even someone like Amir Johnson from the 2016 squad might start over this group.

I like them all getting real burn this year, results be damned. This will be the only season we can do this.

Who knows, maybe Kenneth Lofton too.